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Overload · 07-12-2012, 02:12 PM

why has no sponsor tried a similar way to make green? pay per download for affiliates and charge micropayments (kinda $0,99 per scene - or whatever) for downloaders or such ... with quality reduced movies etc bla bla ... ehh?

gee, if only i wasnt that stoned

Klen · 07-12-2012, 02:17 PM

There is a site from topbucks doing that.Not exactly like filelocker doing it but similar.And there is also clip4share which exist for ages.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overload

why has no sponsor tried a similar way to make green? pay per download for affiliates and charge micropayments (kinda $0,99 per scene - or whatever) for downloaders or such ... with quality reduced movies etc bla bla ... ehh?

gee, if only i wasnt that stoned

PrivatAmateure.com // MyDirtyHobby.com

- but for that to happen the US market and webmasters have to understand the concept - read my replies in this thread and see how profitable it will be.

1st step: reduce free porn on the US market.
2nd step: implement a pricing / billing system that is up 2 date and that users like.
3rd step: take back the industry to where it belongs.

Overload · 07-12-2012, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKER

PrivatAmateure.com // MyDirtyHobby.com

- but for that to happen the US market and webmasters have to understand the concept - read my replies in this thread and see how profitable it will be.

1st step: reduce free porn on the US market.
2nd step: implement a pricing / billing system that is up 2 date and that users like.
3rd step: take back the industry to where it belongs.

aye, i hear ya ... same here, i think monthly €/$29.95 or such is dead ... people moved on - the biz didnt

what this biz needs is inspiration and new ways ... even if its billing for cents/scene ... hey, this biz needs to compete with FREE PORN! and next to free is cheap - really cheap

... or, i almost hate myself for saying it ... DRM protected content

ShoeBox · 07-12-2012, 03:12 PM

kinda like clips4sale?

mafia_man · 07-12-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ShoeBox

kinda like clips4sale?

Except more mainstream content.

Try googling "adult micropayment processors" and then come back here disappointed.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ShoeBox

kinda like clips4sale?

"kinda" in the broadest sense of the word...

V_RocKs · 07-12-2012, 03:28 PM

Go buy content and make the site that does this... Then when you have your business plan dilute the expected income to about 1/12th. That is how much you will get. Oron and the others will get the rest. The only difference? They won't have the content overhead bill.

You will probably make more than you are now though....

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Klen · 07-12-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man

Except more mainstream content.

Try googling "adult micropayment processors" and then come back here disappointed.

Well one advantage of micropayments is how you can then use cellphone/sms billing providers.

ottopottomouse · 07-12-2012, 03:45 PM

a ticket to everywhere is what would compete.

mafia_man · 07-12-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well one advantage of micropayments is how you can then use cellphone/sms billing providers.

In the UK, mobile billing has fees of 40-75%. It's unworkable for porn.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 04:02 PM

I'm not talking about "Micropayments" per se.

What is meant is more known as token-based payment in the US I think.

User loads between $20 and $80 USD into his account and gets say 2000 to 8000 (or more as bonus if you want to emphasis less, but larger payments) "coins" virtual currency that he can spend on the site.

Now you can attach a value to a picture, a message, value per second / minute of video etc. and like this and with clear, exact previews of what he is about to pay for he will consume much more than you'd ever dream of with "29.95" - and the beauty? He will not mind, as he gets exactly the tailored content that he wants to consume.

VenusBlogger · 07-12-2012, 04:14 PM

non reliable model... altough some have tried it with token system.

members of fetish sites, still want to download with a fixed monthly fee.

paying per download, would kill the system completely.

PIRIOD.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 04:26 PM

:-) I like how you try to make your point with the "PIRIOD."

It's cute :-)

mafia_man · 07-12-2012, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKER

I'm not talking about "Micropayments" per se.

What is meant is more known as token-based payment in the US I think.

User loads between $20 and $80 USD into his account and gets say 2000 to 8000 (or more as bonus if you want to emphasis less, but larger payments) "coins" virtual currency that he can spend on the site.

Now you can attach a value to a picture, a message, value per second / minute of video etc. and like this and with clear, exact previews of what he is about to pay for he will consume much more than you'd ever dream of with "29.95" - and the beauty? He will not mind, as he gets exactly the tailored content that he wants to consume.

Tons of sites do this and it doesn't work.

Take me for example. I don't buy subs and I wouldn't spend the equivalent of a sub in 'tokens'.

I do however buy shit on iTunes and they charge me the amount that the item costs. No tokens, no bullshit, no massive charge for only 1 clip which I want.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man

Tons of sites do this and it doesn't work.

Take me for example. I don't buy subs and I wouldn't spend the equivalent of a sub in 'tokens'.

I do however buy shit on iTunes and they charge me the amount that the item costs. No tokens, no bullshit, no massive charge for only 1 clip which I want.

The only problem is that adult is considered high risk, while iTunes is not.

If you want to set up a real micropayments billing system like iTunes has for adult - please go ahead and reliaze it, I will push it to be used wherever I can, seriously.

dgraves · 07-12-2012, 06:58 PM

How about a model where the site offers standard definition (stream only) for a low monthly membership and also offers pay per download for the HD formats. Basically a paysite with a shopping cart.

I'm sure someone has tried this before.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

How about a model where the site offers standard definition (stream only) for a low monthly membership and also offers pay per download for the HD formats. Basically a paysite with a shopping cart.

I'm sure someone has tried this before.

I could see a hybrid like this working if the initial / monthly is set low enough and the premiums priced accordingly.

You want the entry level "barrier" to be set as low as possible, so once they get in you have data on them but your profit will come from the HD content / premium content.

dgraves · 07-12-2012, 07:32 PM

Yes, it would be set low to make up for not having unlimited downloads but then have the option for the member to buy the video(s) they like.

For that matter, you could also offer the option to buy each clip on your tour for those who don't want a monthly membership.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

Yes, it would be set low to make up for not having unlimited downloads but then have the option for the member to buy the video(s) they like.

For that matter, you could also offer the option to buy each clip on your tour for those who don't want a monthly membership.

You do bring up some great ideas / points

dgraves · 07-12-2012, 07:34 PM

I thought of this model after starting the Gloryhole site and would have liked to try it but not sure how or if I could transition at this point. I think something like this would work for fetish/niche content.

JOKER · 07-12-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

I thought of this model after starting the Gloryhole site and would have liked to try it but not sure how or if I could transition at this point. I think something like this would work for fetish/niche content.

Do some A/B split testing, the model that wins stays?

I wouldn't limit it to niche / fetish content, look at systems like iTunes, Amazon MP3 shopping etc. or friggin Angry-birds for that matter...

A system like this can be very profitable - where I do see the issue with true micro-payment billing (1.99 , 0.99 etc) compared to token based (buy X amount of "virtual currency") is the risk management - with micro-payments you have many small transactions which can push you out of your CB comfort-zone very quickly... whereas with a token-based system there are less transactions and less likely to be charged back because the user actually decides what to spend the virtual currency on - also giving them back some virtual currency for a wrong click / buy here and there will not bother you by far as much as giving a full credit of say 29.95.

dgraves · 07-12-2012, 07:48 PM

Someone must be doing this already. If so, I'd like to check it out.

mce · 07-12-2012, 08:04 PM

Don't copy the whole business model. The part that makes most sense is paying uploaders to viralize the large clips and pay them per 1000 downloads. Of course, viralizing is one thing. Actually making the model pay for itself is another........

Paul Markham · 07-12-2012, 10:44 PM

I tried it years ago and the initial response was good. The problem was getting traffic. Affiliates by then controlled the game. They simply wouldn't promote a site selling 20 videos for $5 when they could promote a similar site selling for $30 recurring. The magic join links was a side show to take attention away from the fact that affiliates were telling everyone then that a high price made people think it was a better product.

Comparing what the OP is talking about with C4S shows how little people understand.

So I will make memberships for $5 for 5 days on www.paulmarkhamteens.com and www.astral-blue.com if enough people show willingness to send traffic for 50% rev share. Then you can see if it works.

dgraves · 07-12-2012, 10:57 PM

True, but it would have to be set up so the referring affiliate got his cut of the membership as well as the individual clips that were sold for download.

The normal paysite model is flawed because savvy surfers will join, rip most of your content and then cancel. They'll wait for a few months until a fresh batch of content is ready to rip again.

It seems that a reduced membership price for stream only would work well providing you offered the downloadable content at a reasonable price. I think you'd also see less theft.

Paul Markham · 07-13-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

True, but it would have to be set up so the referring affiliate got his cut of the membership as well as the individual clips that were sold for download.

The normal paysite model is flawed because savvy surfers will join, rip most of your content and then cancel. They'll wait for a few months until a fresh batch of content is ready to rip again.

It seems that a reduced membership price for stream only would work well providing you offered the downloadable content at a reasonable price. I think you'd also see less theft.

Selling clips at $1 a clip won't beat the price of piracy downloads.

Selling an entire 400 scene site for $5 might. Whether yo would boost sales by a factor of 10 times or more is the problem. And it would take that much of a boost to leave the owner with the same income.

Members downloading everything and cancelling, not to rejoin for months has always been a problem.

dgraves · 07-13-2012, 12:56 AM

The price for individual clips would have to be higher than $1 each. C4S defaults to $1/minute. I sell all my videos on my C4S store for $19.99 and the average run time is 45-60 minutes. I'll get guys who buy $200-$300 worth of clips at a time which makes absolutely no sense to me when they can get everything for $29.95.

The bigger problem is the standard has already been set and members expect smaller sites to update several time a week or even daily like the large networks for $19.95/month.

Paul Markham · 07-13-2012, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

The price for individual clips would have to be higher than $1 each. C4S defaults to $1/minute. I sell all my videos on my C4S store for $19.99 and the average run time is 45-60 minutes. I'll get guys who buy $200-$300 worth of clips at a time which makes absolutely no sense to me when they can get everything for $29.95.

The bigger problem is the standard has already been set and members expect smaller sites to update several time a week or even daily like the large networks for $19.95/month.

Then expect to make the same money as you do from C4S.

If C4S was a great way forward for everyone, we would all be doing it. It's not so using it as an example to combat a system that allows people to download as much as they can for $9 on a file sharing site, is a non starter.

As you said the costs of running a cheap site is going to make it look second rate to the bigger sites. I would probably make more putting all my stuff on my own Tube site and selling adverts.

While free porn competes better then paid porn. Paid porn will go down in returns.

seeandsee · 07-13-2012, 02:39 AM

because people want to download all the shit

MaDalton · 07-13-2012, 02:45 AM

because most people dont have enough content to make it worthwhile ;)

mafia_man · 07-13-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

because most people dont have enough content to make it worthwhile ;)

the second caveat of the iTunes model.

Paul · 07-14-2012, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKER

PrivatAmateure.com // MyDirtyHobby.com

- but for that to happen the US market and webmasters have to understand the concept - read my replies in this thread and see how profitable it will be.

1st step: reduce free porn on the US market.
2nd step: implement a pricing / billing system that is up 2 date and that users like.
3rd step: take back the industry to where it belongs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

because most people dont have enough content to make it worthwhile ;)

Too many webmasters think their product is worth $29.99 per month when in reality it's worth very little!

HomerSimpson · 07-14-2012, 11:21 AM

mircro payments are way to go but companies will loose money since they would have to spend more time to earn $150 (to sell like 100-200 $1 clips) - and they make that much today with one sale with all it's hidden/cross/x-salles... so because of greed it just won't live... but they don't realize they are fucking with their visitors/clients...

mafia_man · 07-14-2012, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

mircro payments are way to go but companies will loose money since they would have to spend more time to earn $150 (to sell like 100-200 $1 clips) - and they make that much today with one sale with all it's hidden/cross/x-salles... so because of greed it just won't live... but they don't realize they are fucking with their visitors/clients...

I don't think you can rely on affiliates when you are selling clips.

As much as I hate to say it, driving sales on a per clip basis is better done through tubes and quality content.

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Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	There is a site from topbucks doing that.Not exactly like filelocker doing it but similar.And there is also clip4share which exist for ages.

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VenusBlogger So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,540	non reliable model... altough some have tried it with token system. members of fetish sites, still want to download with a fixed monthly fee. paying per download, would kill the system completely. PIRIOD.

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dgraves Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 2,283	Yes, it would be set low to make up for not having unlimited downloads but then have the option for the member to buy the video(s) they like. For that matter, you could also offer the option to buy each clip on your tour for those who don't want a monthly membership. __________________ Gloryhole Swallow \| Cumpsters \| Spy Tug \| Cum Clinic \| Chica's Place

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