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gimme-website 07-13-2012 01:12 AM

Here's the thing.
Love me or hate me. My work/designs/services are in high demand. I can't accept every job that comes into my sales box.

I'm fortunate that I can pick and choose the clients I take nowadays. And despite all the drama on GFY.. all I really want to do is get on with my job.

So I have a vetting process. I don't take 'Problem' clients or projects. And i'm quite good at spotting what's a good gig to take and what i want to avoid.

From your initial email to your replies. I could see the 'Blow-up-ability' was strong with you...

Linking to zuzanna (or any other designers work). Well that itself doesn't bother me. But it gives me a hint that perhaps you have worked with other designers before. And generaly a good client and a good designer will stay together. A client that is jumping from designer to designer...They worry me.

And you also linked me to younglegalporn.com as a design example. While it may be legal content (i dont know the program so I cant comment). That itself set off another red flag in my 'Don't wanna work with this guy' radar....

And as can be seen by your creation of this very thread. I was right.. working with you would not have been a pleasant exp for me.

And im sorry you took my words so badly.

lucas131 07-13-2012 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19056572)
Here's the thing.
Love me or hate me. My work/designs/services are in high demand. I can't accept every job that comes into my sales box.

I'm fortunate that I can pick and choose the clients I take nowadays. And despite all the drama on GFY.. all I really want to do is get on with my job.

So I have a vetting process. I don't take 'Problem' clients or projects. And i'm quite good at spotting what's a good gig to take and what i want to avoid.

From your initial email to your replies. I could see the 'Blow-up-ability' was strong with you...

Linking to zuzanna (or any other designers work). Well that itself doesn't bother me. But it gives me a hint that perhaps you have worked with other designers before. And generaly a good client and a good designer will stay together. A client that is jumping from designer to designer...They worry me.

And you also linked me to younglegalporn.com as a design example. While it may be legal content (i dont know the program so I cant comment). That itself set off another red flag in my 'Don't wanna work with this guy' radar....

And as can be seen by your creation of this very thread. I was right.. working with you would not have been a pleasant exp for me.

And im sorry you took my words so badly.

lol captain

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fAxDR0NHAR...gOilShip-5.jpg

Don Imus 07-13-2012 01:26 AM

Does seem odd if you like one designers work, why hire another one.
If it was a cost thing, makes sense, but I would imagine they're pretty equal on that.

I dont understand why people claim to give her advice then moan she ignores it. She's making good money whilst others are doing design auctions for $300 to get work. Why should she listen.

LIQUIDER Please just take a look at that banner, you really claim to be a designer?
Maybe you're the best developer around but don't design.

ShoeBox 07-13-2012 01:43 AM

lol @ fake nick above me 9 posts

HomeFry 07-13-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 19056595)
Unjustifable in business.

She does have a right to be wrong and crazy.

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19056572)
Here's the thing.
Love me or hate me. My work/designs/services are in high demand. I can't accept every job that comes into my sales box.

I'm fortunate that I can pick and choose the clients I take nowadays. And despite all the drama on GFY.. all I really want to do is get on with my job.

So I have a vetting process. I don't take 'Problem' clients or projects. And i'm quite good at spotting what's a good gig to take and what i want to avoid.

From your initial email to your replies. I could see the 'Blow-up-ability' was strong with you...

Linking to zuzanna (or any other designers work). Well that itself doesn't bother me. But it gives me a hint that perhaps you have worked with other designers before. And generaly a good client and a good designer will stay together. A client that is jumping from designer to designer...They worry me.

And you also linked me to younglegalporn.com as a design example. While it may be legal content (i dont know the program so I cant comment). That itself set off another red flag in my 'Don't wanna work with this guy' radar....

And as can be seen by your creation of this very thread. I was right.. working with you would not have been a pleasant exp for me.

And im sorry you took my words so badly.

Anna,

I have worked with the same designer since 2004 (and the same programmer since 2002), but unfortunately he is on vacation which is the ONLY reason why I have been emailing designers to get this particular job done. Even if I had hired you, it would have been for this one job only.

There is something inherently wrong with your radar if it isn't taking ALL things into consideration before jumping to conclusions.

I have worked with several people; MaDalton, Konrad, Devin from GTS, Richard from adultcontent UK, Parney from cybercats just to name a few, and I have dealt with some of those for years. I have not had a single issue with them even when things have gone wrong because I have the capacity to deal with issues like an adult. There is no 'Blow-up-ability' so in this respect, you're just talking a load of rubbish.

The creation of this thread doesn't mean you were right, the general consensus as far as I can see, is that you were wrong. Wrong in the way you handled a client, wrong with your petty nature, wrong to have a chip on your shoulder and more importantly wrong to think that you are better than you actually are.

You can justify your actions any bloody way you like, but in the court of public opinion, you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting!

u-Bob 07-13-2012 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19056572)
And generaly a good client and a good designer will stay together. A client that is jumping from designer to designer...They worry me.

None of your clients run so many projects at the same time that 1 designer is not enough to handle them all?
None of your clients have ever bought content from different sellers?
None of your clients have boxes at different hosting companies?
None of your clients have ever asked more than 1 company for a quote on something?
None of your clients have eaten at more than one restaurant in their whole lives?

gimme-website 07-13-2012 03:12 AM

Then move on.....I dont want to work for you.. you dont want to hire me. Win all round.

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19056660)
Then move on.....I dont want to work for you.. you dont want to hire me. Win all round.

Anna, I have moved on. This thread was initially made because I was gobsmacked; I couldn't fathom how someone could possibly converse with a potential client the way you did.

This thread is hardly a win for you. You're being seen for the petty, full of herself, despicable, fool you are. Even the people you currently work for cannot possibly deny the fact that you handled this wrong and in the back of their minds they SHOULD be questioning their loyalty to your services based on how you have conducted yourself in this matter.

gimme-website 07-13-2012 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voodoo (Post 19055355)
That depends. Development & Design work is not like buying a cheeseburger. When you hire a developer, this is a temporary partnership to have someone else build YOUR ideas into reality, more often than not, because it's something that you don't have the skills necessary to do yourself, or simply don't have the time. Treating that person like you are "King" would be a mistake.

That would be like hiring an architect for your house, then treating them like a taxi driver. Probably not a good idea, and definitely an unprofessional attitude.

"when the job and the results are not done correctly"

I have to ask... Are you providing detailed requirements up front, or are you pushing an waterfall / scope-creep project on someone, then expecting them to be psychic? Once they deliver the bound-to-be-wrong project, you get to wave your "King Stick" at them and tell them how they messed up. Good one.

I know we dont get on so well voodoo. But I have to applaud your words.
And I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.

LIsten razorsharpe. Im sorry for the way i spoke to you. I get literally 30 seconds to answer emails sometimes. I'm guilty as charged. I should have treated you with more politeness. I accept your a great guy all round and i've made an error.

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19056681)
LIsten razorsharpe. Im sorry for the way i spoke to you. I get literally 30 seconds to answer emails sometimes. I'm guilty as charged. I should have treated you with more politeness. I accept your a great guy all round and i've made an error.

At this stage, and after your previous responses, it's really hard to gauge if you're actually being sincere. This is the upshot of being rude initially when you didn't really have to be.

jimmycooper 07-13-2012 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 19056739)
At this stage, and after your previous responses, it's really hard to gauge if you're actually being sincere. This is the upshot of being rude initially when you didn't really have to be.

FYI - Here's another really well designed site.

http://cafeglow.com/glow/

Don Imus 07-13-2012 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShoeBox (Post 19056593)
lol @ fake nick above me 9 posts

Sorry and you are who exactly?
'Hey everybody look at me, I've made 500+ posts in a month I must be fucking great!'

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19056752)
FYI - Here's another really well designed site.

http://cafeglow.com/glow/

Another nice site that isn't conforming to the usual "adult design" process - nice find mate :)

k0nr4d 07-13-2012 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 19056829)
Another nice site that isn't conforming to the usual "adult design" process - nice find mate :)

I don't know if the world is ready to scroll left/right instead of up/down yet.

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 19056890)
I don't know if the world is ready to scroll left/right instead of up/down yet.

Are you getting a horizontal scroll on that site? The only thing that scrolls horizontally for me is the slider on that page.

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 19056623)
Anna,

I have worked with the same designer since 2004 (and the same programmer since 2002), but unfortunately he is on vacation which is the ONLY reason why I have been emailing designers to get this particular job done. Even if I had hired you, it would have been for this one job only.

There is something inherently wrong with your radar if it isn't taking ALL things into consideration before jumping to conclusions.

I have worked with several people; MaDalton, Konrad, Devin from GTS, Richard from adultcontent UK, Parney from cybercats just to name a few, and I have dealt with some of those for years. I have not had a single issue with them even when things have gone wrong because I have the capacity to deal with issues like an adult. There is no 'Blow-up-ability' so in this respect, you're just talking a load of rubbish.

The creation of this thread doesn't mean you were right, the general consensus as far as I can see, is that you were wrong. Wrong in the way you handled a client, wrong with your petty nature, wrong to have a chip on your shoulder and more importantly wrong to think that you are better than you actually are.

You can justify your actions any bloody way you like, but in the court of public opinion, you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting!

I MUST make a correct to this ... I meant Devin from REBEL-ADS - if you're looking for someone who will turn his life upside down to get you quality ad placements ... contact Devin .... from: http://rebel-ads.com/

gimme-website 07-13-2012 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 19056739)
At this stage, and after your previous responses, it's really hard to gauge if you're actually being sincere. This is the upshot of being rude initially when you didn't really have to be.

I am being sincere. I may not have the words to verbalize this in a way that makes sense though. I made an error in judgement. And if you will allow me to expand a bit further I can further explain my poor brevity towards you.

I'm sure you know that recently whenever my name is mentioned on GFY it's like a hornets nest has been prodded. This also spills out into my email box. I get fake sales enquiries/trolls/rival firms.. you name it.

I know you don't want your personal information disclosed so i will say this as discretley as I can. Your email address .. it ends in a word .. and indeed your entire email addy sounded like it was a rival firm.

And usualy when someone wants to take a poke at me the first comparison they will make is with zuzanna...

And also the example design you gave of younglegalporn.com. (most domains with 'young' are blocked at a ISP level here in Finland.. I get taken to the police 'this is illegal' page and big brother takes a note of this visit).

If you take all 3 of these things into consideration along with my earlier points, Then maybe that will help to paint a clearer picture of why i was ... not so nice.

But now i see who you are, and i see I have made a mistake. And i apologize.

RazorSharpe 07-13-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19057159)
I am being sincere. I may not have the words to verbalize this in a way that makes sense though. I made an error in judgement. And if you will allow me to expand a bit further I can further explain my poor brevity towards you.

I'm sure you know that recently whenever my name is mentioned on GFY it's like a hornets nest has been prodded. This also spills out into my email box. I get fake sales enquiries/trolls/rival firms.. you name it.

I know you don't want your personal information disclosed so i will say this as discretley as I can. Your email address .. it ends in a word .. and indeed your entire email addy sounded like it was a rival firm.

And usualy when someone wants to take a poke at me the first comparison they will make is with zuzanna...

And also the example design you gave of younglegalporn.com. (most domains with 'young' are blocked at a ISP level here in Finland.. I get taken to the police 'this is illegal' page and big brother takes a note of this visit).

If you take all 3 of these things into consideration along with my earlier points, Then maybe that will help to paint a clearer picture of why i was ... not so nice.

But now i see who you are, and i see I have made a mistake. And i apologize.

Hi Anna,

I can assure you that my email to you was sincere and now that you've explained yourself, yes, I can see why and how this got out of hand. Apology accepted and I wish you well going forward.

Kolargol 07-13-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19056752)
FYI - Here's another really well designed site.

http://cafeglow.com/glow/

Great site and idea, I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Do you know any similar sites (art/fashion/erotica) ?

jimmycooper 07-13-2012 09:59 AM



Wow, that's some really crazy shit that just happened to Young MC.

Especially when you consider how it happened just before he's set to begin the Northern Europe leg of his long awaited comeback tour.

Just goes to show that pretty much anything can happen to pretty much anyone at pretty much any time.

Guess that's just life. Not much you can really do about it.

Thankfully he didn't have to cancel a single show. Not one. Amazing. What a trooper.

Not only that, but his site redesign looks really freaking awesome. Some seriously avant-garde shit.

The guy is a living legend.

http://www.youngmc.com/

Far-L 07-13-2012 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19057159)
I am being sincere. I may not have the words to verbalize this in a way that makes sense though. I made an error in judgement. And if you will allow me to expand a bit further I can further explain my poor brevity towards you.

I'm sure you know that recently whenever my name is mentioned on GFY it's like a hornets nest has been prodded. This also spills out into my email box. I get fake sales enquiries/trolls/rival firms.. you name it.

I know you don't want your personal information disclosed so i will say this as discretley as I can. Your email address .. it ends in a word .. and indeed your entire email addy sounded like it was a rival firm.

And usualy when someone wants to take a poke at me the first comparison they will make is with zuzanna...

And also the example design you gave of younglegalporn.com. (most domains with 'young' are blocked at a ISP level here in Finland.. I get taken to the police 'this is illegal' page and big brother takes a note of this visit).

If you take all 3 of these things into consideration along with my earlier points, Then maybe that will help to paint a clearer picture of why i was ... not so nice.

But now i see who you are, and i see I have made a mistake. And i apologize.

Judge Far-L rules that the defendant has served the punishment of the GFY jury and made amends to the plaintiff and should be released on good behavior to observe a brief period of probation during which time treatment of clients will be monitored to insure tactful, professional, courteous interaction and conduct with existing and prospective clients. An anger management course on dealing with competitors more appropriately is also recommended.

The court of public opinion wishes the defendant good luck and hopes she will learn from this that one unsatisfied customer can easily discourage many more potential customers and that a life of being bad at customer service, even if you are great at design, will not pay in the long run.

</gavel>

jimmycooper 07-13-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19057412)
Great site and idea, I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Do you know any similar sites (art/fashion/erotica) ?

Not off the top of my head but I definitely will within a few weeks as I'm just beginning the research phase of a related project.

Actually, here is a cool site for an excellent photographer...

http://www.alt-er-ego.com/

And seeing as you have a foot fetish program, this may interest you...

http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/cata..._fox_vol_2.htm

gimme-website 07-13-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19057444)
Judge Far-L rules that the defendant has served the punishment of the GFY jury and made amends to the plaintiff and should be released on good behavior to observe a brief period of probation during which time treatment of clients will be monitored to insure tactful, professional, courteous interaction and conduct with existing and prospective clients. An anger management course on dealing with competitors more appropriately is also recommended.

The court of public opinion wishes the defendant good luck and hopes she will learn from this that one unsatisfied customer can easily discourage many more potential customers and that a life of being bad at customer service, even if you are great at design, will not pay in the long run.

</gavel>

That was TRUELY AWESOME. I will repay my debt to the court in a humble manner.

papill0n 07-13-2012 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 19056572)
Here's the thing.
Love me or hate me. My work/designs/services are in high demand. I can't accept every job that comes into my sales box.

I'm fortunate that I can pick and choose the clients I take nowadays. And despite all the drama on GFY.. all I really want to do is get on with my job.

So I have a vetting process. I don't take 'Problem' clients or projects. And i'm quite good at spotting what's a good gig to take and what i want to avoid.

From your initial email to your replies. I could see the 'Blow-up-ability' was strong with you...

Linking to zuzanna (or any other designers work). Well that itself doesn't bother me. But it gives me a hint that perhaps you have worked with other designers before. And generaly a good client and a good designer will stay together. A client that is jumping from designer to designer...They worry me.

And you also linked me to younglegalporn.com as a design example. While it may be legal content (i dont know the program so I cant comment). That itself set off another red flag in my 'Don't wanna work with this guy' radar....

And as can be seen by your creation of this very thread. I was right.. working with you would not have been a pleasant exp for me.

And im sorry you took my words so badly.


thats a whole bunch of excuses bitch

MaDalton 07-14-2012 04:46 AM

i'd just like to confirm that RazorSharpe is far from being someone making trouble - quite the contrary. i wish all my clients were that pleasant to work with :)

RazorSharpe 07-14-2012 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19058724)
i'd just like to confirm that RazorSharpe is far from being someone making trouble - quite the contrary. i wish all my clients were that pleasant to work with :)

I remember a very recent issue that was caused by ME (yes, i fuck up too, unfortunately) and how well you handled it. Without doubt, one of THE best client satisfaction experiences I have had.

exadcr 07-18-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazymjir (Post 19054171)
She just showed that she is not a professional designer but a jealous little girl.

jealous of what. zuzana designs is the same crap. just from a quick google search:

miamiblog.com/zuzana-designs-review-avoid-her-sloppy-work-attitude/

i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa455/kakvashidela/priveta.jpg

i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa455/kakvashidela/privetb.jpg


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