Tom????????? :helpme

After the way she attacked Fris, why would anyone want to hire her?

unfortunate, I Had tried to give her some advice recently, went about as well as your quote request

hit me up, I have a design that seems to fit what you are looking for, but can't post it here (was done for a reseller as is most of my stuff)

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." -Oscar Wilde

I don't think i'd feel right paying $5 for a layout only... seems like taking advantage of someone.

You do have a point and if there is one mistake I make is that I don't vet people via the search. In this case however, I WAS aware of the attitude she's shown during the whole Fris debacle but put that down to a person who was caught between a rock and a hard place and figured she's just chosen fight over flight.

I'll send you an email in a few minutes. I actually looked at your site before gimme-website but saw you were on a fulltime gig.

Perfect, I'm off to bed, but will reply FTIM

I'm full time, but still booking on the side,
That said, if you need it super fast.. I'm not the guy.

You too?

she just dont have the skills, and she is just a pussy to tell you directly :upsidedow

only when you can afford it :winkwink:

unllike many others here i have worked in a real business before, selling medical equipment for Siemens. I dealt with doctors and a lot of money. and sometimes i was screaming inside while politely smiling on the outside.

if someone can not deal with clients, he/she should not work in a job where that is required

but when i am the client and it's my money, i can become quite pesky too - when the job and the results are not done correctly.

the customer is king

Indeed it is. Of course, to some degree. If a customer crosses the line and shows no respect whatsoever, i walk away, however customers should be treated nice in almost any circumstances.

probably 12 posts, but knows everything about everyone ;)

Customer gives money that freelancer need, freelancer gives a product that customer need.
In their both interests is to make a deal, so they BOTH should respect themselves.
Nobody should be above, both of them should be equal.

That depends. Development & Design work is not like buying a cheeseburger. When you hire a developer, this is a temporary partnership to have someone else build YOUR ideas into reality, more often than not, because it's something that you don't have the skills necessary to do yourself, or simply don't have the time. Treating that person like you are "King" would be a mistake.

That would be like hiring an architect for your house, then treating them like a taxi driver. Probably not a good idea, and definitely an unprofessional attitude.

"when the job and the results are not done correctly"

I have to ask... Are you providing detailed requirements up front, or are you pushing an waterfall / scope-creep project on someone, then expecting them to be psychic? Once they deliver the bound-to-be-wrong project, you get to wave your "King Stick" at them and tell them how they messed up. Good one.

Agreed. As I said before: both customer and developer/designer should be equal. It their both interest is to make the deal done.

I Voodoo, not sure if you were directing this question at me. We didn't even get that far. My first foray into emailing her was basically to make sure she was up to the task of taking on a new project and showing her the type of stuff I would like her creative skills to take on.

I got shot down at that very first hurdle. The emails you see in my initial post are EXACTLY what happened (with the exception of my not printing my name).

Don't feel bad. She wanted to charge me $1/minute for the pleasure of trying to explain my project to her :1orglaugh

Oh, that wasn't directed at you. :)

Funny how that works, isn't it. :1orglaugh

At least you managed to get a quote of a $1/minute. I didn't even get that far!! :)

and this is how people who have talent ended at mcdonalds, cause they have shit in their blocked brains. but anna is not the first and not the last one i met i bet :)

i can only speak about myself - and i usually prepare stuff for my programmer very well. And he understands the way i prepare it and usually builds it that way. But I am the one who pays and if he forgets something or fails to test the code before he puts it live and screws something up, i have the right to be unhappy.

Like my clients have the right to be unhappy when we screw something up they paid for. then it's my obligation to fix things instead of argueing or getting cocky.

Feel free to ask any of my clients if they're happy with my service, i would dare to say you will get a very positive feedback.

And the same attitude that i have towards my clients who pay me, i have towards the people I pay. Nothing more and nothing less.

Another GW success story.

I can vouch for being a happy customer of yours :)

I do get what some people are trying to say. That respect goes both ways and that both parties in a transaction need to be liable for the conduct. I also agree that just because I am paying for something, does not give me any right to be a total and utter cock to the person who is selling.

At no point in my conversation with this lady did I say anything to insult her. After she replied to me, these are the emails that followed:

Her reply:
At this stage, I'd written her off and replied:
She had to get the last word in; her reply:

And before anyone asks, all these emails were traded BEFORE I posted about this on here.

I find it unimaginable that a person would conduct themselves like this with prospective buyers.

She is nuts. Ignore her.

Yo Razor read this article http://paffg.com/blog/ask-a-graphic-...gimme-website/ , then think to yourself and laugh

She is nuts, I love her.

I find that most.. (not all) creative types, Artists and Programmers, aren't much good at the people side of business. It just goes with the territory and takes a certain type of person to do the job. That having been said, what G-W replied would have most people who don't own their own business fired. She can do whatever she wants since it is her business, but she should expect some backlash for it, and should perhaps hire someone who is good at being a mediator between her and the client.

Anna and Alienq should team up and become a design superpower, Amp can handle their public relations.

She clearly is her own worst enemy.

I'm with you 100% on this. You're the one with the money and you don't need to be dissed. Spend your money where you get treated with the proper respect and gratitude.

If that article is for real, then I'm really confused - :Oh crap

LOL - Now THAT would be an epic design firm!!! :)

In all seriousness, if you really want to do something unique, one option is to find a mainstream designer who has a style that you really like. Then try to pair him/her with an adult designer who has experience in making the type of site you want. :2 cents:

I do use an exceptional mainstream designer (which was the reason for my other thread about great designs that you replied in) but he's unfortunately on holiday.

Fiver roooooools - I get all kinds of work done there - The guys/girls I use are super fast with delivery. 0 drama and usually 0 changes.

Last job I had done - I got 5 banners done for a fiver that kicked ass AND were delivered in 1hr - Designer here would be 25-35 a pop and I would have to beg for them for a week lolz - TRY IT :thumbsup

You don't have to get use to this "new way of doing business". You vote with your feet and walk away. When you contract to do business with someone and you are fortunate enough to figure out that they are assholes early on, just move on. There are plenty of people out there that would be glad to work with you in a professional manner. They are talented and have a grip on their creative eccentricities. If you haven't met someone face to face, then you have no idea who is behind the monitor. GFY is a pretty good place to get a sense of who does business and who plays at doing business. If they have a good rep on GFY, you can be sure they earned it, because this place will eat their lunch if they are shitheads.

Yep, I can see it now - Triple A Designs Amp, Alienq & Anna

She always has to have the last word.