Fight the filelockers but isn't it the tubes that suck? - GoFuckYourself.com

bean-aid · 06-29-2012, 01:32 AM

I see some threads about fighting the good fight... but what the fuck is up with the tubes? They have a *pass*?

k0nr4d · 06-29-2012, 02:56 AM

Filelockers are easier to fight because they have billing, and that can get shutdown. A tube on the other hand has usually no billing and makes money off ads. People still fight tubes with dmca notices and lawsuits.

JOKER · 06-29-2012, 03:10 AM

Illegal tubes are being fought - mostly via lawsuits, so not as fast and not as "visible" as other campaigns.

Change IS happening.

If you think that you can't do anything to help, how about you at least follow AdultKing's campaign to #StopFileLockers on Twitter or "Like" his Facebook Page and have others follow and "Like" him... You all have friends on Twitter and Facebook, don't you?

I also think #StopFileLockers is a nice hashtag to push on Twitter...

blackmonsters · 06-29-2012, 03:46 AM

Stress illegal tubes.

Plenty of tubes are legal and do not steal content.

19teenporn · 06-29-2012, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

I see some threads about fighting the good fight... but what the fuck is up with the tubes? They have a *pass*?

He has only two hands...

MaDalton · 06-29-2012, 04:26 AM

i have no problem with legal tubes - but i have a problem with people who make money with my content in original quality

potter · 06-29-2012, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have no problem with legal tubes - but i have a problem with people who make money with my content in original quality

Tubes that make money with your content aren't illegal either. The only thing that makes a tube illegal is if the owner of the tube is the one uploading the copyrighted content. If it's actually users of the website, then the site is still legal so long as they take down the offending content upon receiving notices.

This precedence has been set in the courts by companies as large as FaceBook and Google (YouTube).

* I'm sure you knew that already, but there is so much misinformation thrown around GFY. Figured I'd have a little "the more you know" moment.

k0nr4d · 06-29-2012, 07:35 AM

ninavain · 06-29-2012, 07:40 AM

tube sites kicking porn industry in the balls

cashbizdude · 06-29-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

tube sites kicking porn industry in the balls

Dude, you love that .gif

PR_Glen · 06-29-2012, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

I see some threads about fighting the good fight... but what the fuck is up with the tubes? They have a *pass*?

so you lost money investing in tube traffic and now tubes are the enemy?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1073013

Slappin Fish · 06-29-2012, 07:53 AM

If you look at niches on tubes, outside promotional material you will find a few amateur clips and a handful of pirated videos.

The difference is tubes have no affiliate program, Boris and Patel have little incentive to upload. On filelockers Boris will go to incredible lengths to make his $20 per day, like having VPSs with dedicated software that upload 24 hours a day.

Quentin · 06-29-2012, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by potter

Tubes that make money with your content aren't illegal either. The only thing that makes a tube illegal is if the owner of the tube is the one uploading the copyrighted content. If it's actually users of the website, then the site is still legal so long as they take down the offending content upon receiving notices.

This precedence has been set in the courts by companies as large as FaceBook and Google (YouTube).

* I'm sure you knew that already, but there is so much misinformation thrown around GFY. Figured I'd have a little "the more you know" moment.

Speaking of misinformation, your post actually isn't accurate, either.

There is more to complying with the DMCA than simply responding to take-down notices and the tube owner/operator not being the one who uploads the content in the first place.

I still see many tubes that have not registered a DMCA agent with the U.S. Copyright office. That's a violation of DMCA. (For those who care about chapter and verse in citations, it's a violation of §512 (c)(2), specifically.)

Under §512 (i)(1)(A), UGC sites like tubes also must establish and enforce a policy with respect to repeat infringers among the users who upload content; many tubes still have not done this.

Also under Under §512 (i), UGC sites must also "accommodate and not interfere with standard technical measures." This is something many tubes do not do.

There are other requirements for receiving safe harbor, as well, but my point is that it seems like you might need to be on the receiving end of a few "the more you know" moments yourself. ;-)

Oh, one more thing: that YouTube case you alluded to? It isn't over, and the most recent ruling (by the Second Circuit) cut in favor of Viacom, not YouTube.

seeme · 06-29-2012, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

I see some threads about fighting the good fight... but what the fuck is up with the tubes? They have a *pass*?

There is nothing wrong with legal tubes, just like there is nothing wrong with legal file lockers. You can't generalize them all like that...

baryl · 06-29-2012, 10:30 AM

Not to defend illegal tubes but they aren't quite as bad as file lockers.

Say I'm a surfer that loves a particular paysite. I can go on a tube, comb through tens of thousands of videos and maybe find one or two poor quality videos from my favorite paysite.
Or I can go to a file locker and get a full, up to date complete rip of that site in full HD quality plus the same for hundreds of other sites for a price that's a fraction of a membership.

There's many ways to compete with a tube but no way to compete with a file locker.

Major (Tom) · 06-29-2012, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baryl

Not to defend illegal tubes but they aren't quite as bad as file lockers.

Say I'm a surfer that loves a particular paysite. I can go on a tube, comb through tens of thousands of videos and maybe find one or two poor quality videos from my favorite paysite.
Or I can go to a file locker and get a full, up to date complete rip of that site in full HD quality plus the same for hundreds of other sites for a price that's a fraction of a membership.

There's many ways to compete with a tube but no way to compete with a file locker.

yup. at least that's our experience with our in house anti-pitacy dept,
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CyberHustler · 06-29-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

so you lost money investing in tube traffic and now tubes are the enemy?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1073013

MaDalton · 06-29-2012, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baryl

Not to defend illegal tubes but they aren't quite as bad as file lockers.

Say I'm a surfer that loves a particular paysite. I can go on a tube, comb through tens of thousands of videos and maybe find one or two poor quality videos from my favorite paysite.
Or I can go to a file locker and get a full, up to date complete rip of that site in full HD quality plus the same for hundreds of other sites for a price that's a fraction of a membership.

There's many ways to compete with a tube but no way to compete with a file locker.

what he said...

Axeman · 06-29-2012, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin

Speaking of misinformation, your post actually isn't accurate, either.

There is more to complying with the DMCA than simply responding to take-down notices and the tube owner/operator not being the one who uploads the content in the first place.

I still see many tubes that have not registered a DMCA agent with the U.S. Copyright office. That's a violation of DMCA. (For those who care about chapter and verse in citations, it's a violation of §512 (c)(2), specifically.)

Under §512 (i)(1)(A), UGC sites like tubes also must establish and enforce a policy with respect to repeat infringers among the users who upload content; many tubes still have not done this.

Also under Under §512 (i), UGC sites must also "accommodate and not interfere with standard technical measures." This is something many tubes do not do.

There are other requirements for receiving safe harbor, as well, but my point is that it seems like you might need to be on the receiving end of a few "the more you know" moments yourself. ;-)

Oh, one more thing: that YouTube case you alluded to? It isn't over, and the most recent ruling (by the Second Circuit) cut in favor of Viacom, not YouTube.

Great info there. I think safe harbor gets thrown around way to easily these days, without most have the full understanding of what it entails.

AdultKing · 06-29-2012, 10:58 AM

I haven't yet seen a tube which has thousands of files of child exploitation material, yet I have identified file lockers with tens of thousands of child exploitation images and movies.

It's not all about piracy, although that's an important component, it's also about common decency.

And before anyone says people will just use peer to peer, it's important to note that police agencies have a very good handle on peer to peer now and can map out offenders very easily.

Apparently here in Victoria they knock on doors every morning. File Lockers are easier for offenders to use and remain less detectable if they go about it the right way, the less of this material on the web the better IMHO.

seeric · 06-29-2012, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baryl

Not to defend illegal tubes but they aren't quite as bad as file lockers.

Say I'm a surfer that loves a particular paysite. I can go on a tube, comb through tens of thousands of videos and maybe find one or two poor quality videos from my favorite paysite.
Or I can go to a file locker and get a full, up to date complete rip of that site in full HD quality plus the same for hundreds of other sites for a price that's a fraction of a membership.

There's many ways to compete with a tube but no way to compete with a file locker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

yup. at least that's our experience with our in house anti-pitacy dept,
ds

Which is why it's completely worthless to waste any effort or attention on all this fingerprinting nonsense.

Most programs have working relationships with the tubes already, and the tubes remove everything a partner sponsor sends to them. The Manwin tube network is a very large chunk of tube real estate, so any partner who works with them already has tubes covered.

File lockers and torrents are completely immune to any kind of fingerprinting technology.

Tijuana_Tom · 06-29-2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

I see some threads about fighting the good fight... but what the fuck is up with the tubes? They have a *pass*?

File Lockers are just the current hot topic.

The good thing is the File Lockers are still tedious for the surfer to use and tubes will still be the first choice for the majority of free loaders.

DWB · 06-29-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

File Lockers are just the current hot topic.

too much free porn on TGPs > pre-checked cross sales > card banging > mansef > tube sites > manwin > illegal tube sites > file lockers > __ coming soon - more tube sites and more manwin __

bean-aid · 06-29-2012, 09:36 PM

Kill the uploads and kill the tubes. Fuck youtube as well. Site still is not in the money last I checked. What is the skewed statistics of youtube nowadays?

The thing with youtube, amateur uploaded videos of whatever. Porn tubes straight up stole producers, sponsors, site owners videos. Now its this retarded *fad* to copy the model.

Doesn't anyone in this industry have any balls? How hard, really, is it to destroy a datacenter?

19teenporn · 06-29-2012, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

The good thing is the File Lockers are still tedious for the surfer to use and tubes will still be the first choice for the majority of free loaders.

Clueless motherfecker alert...

potter · 07-01-2012, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin

Speaking of misinformation, your post actually isn't accurate, either.

There is more to complying with the DMCA than simply responding to take-down notices and the tube owner/operator not being the one who uploads the content in the first place.

I still see many tubes that have not registered a DMCA agent with the U.S. Copyright office. That's a violation of DMCA. (For those who care about chapter and verse in citations, it's a violation of §512 (c)(2), specifically.)

Under §512 (i)(1)(A), UGC sites like tubes also must establish and enforce a policy with respect to repeat infringers among the users who upload content; many tubes still have not done this.

Also under Under §512 (i), UGC sites must also "accommodate and not interfere with standard technical measures." This is something many tubes do not do.

There are other requirements for receiving safe harbor, as well, but my point is that it seems like you might need to be on the receiving end of a few "the more you know" moments yourself. ;-)

Oh, one more thing: that YouTube case you alluded to? It isn't over, and the most recent ruling (by the Second Circuit) cut in favor of Viacom, not YouTube.

I wasn't arguing what is needed to be compliant, but that someone's content being on a tube site doesn't make the tube site illegal. You're arguing from the other direction I did.

Yes, there are various items that a site owner must comply with to meet safe harbor.

And the reason Google lost that latest court date is because they didn't meet/comply with every little detail. So the basis of the point I made still stands.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-01-2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by potter

I wasn't arguing what is needed to be compliant, but that someone's content being on a tube site doesn't make the tube site illegal.

Buzz off Bozo.

Unauthorized content STOLEN from an honest producer is illegal.

Period.

Quote:

Originally Posted by potter

Yes, there are various items that a site owner must comply with to meet safe harbor.

Site owner

?

This discussion is about illegal tube boys.

What the hell do the compliance measures that genuine site owners deal with have to do with this?

Get real... or get the fuck out of here.
.

potter · 07-02-2012, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Buzz off Bozo.

Unauthorized content STOLEN from an honest producer is illegal.

Period.

Reading comprehension? I said it doesn't make the tube site illegal, not that the initial act of copyright infringement wasn't illegal.

I swear internet forums have ruined people's reading comprehension skills.

Paul Markham · 07-02-2012, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Stress illegal tubes.

Plenty of tubes are legal and do not steal content.

Post proof.

Not holding my breath.

OP has a point. Tubes have done as much harm to sales as piracy.

CurrentlySober · 07-02-2012, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Post proof.

Not holding my breath.

www.xxx-con.com (Straight - LEGAL)
www.maletalent.co.uk (Gay - LEGAL)

CurrentlySober · 07-02-2012, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Post proof.

Not holding my breath.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

www.xxx-con.com (Straight - LEGAL)
www.maletalent.co.uk (Gay - LEGAL)

Both tubes are mine BTW...

Guess we should have wished that you had been holding your breath...

Paul Markham · 07-02-2012, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

www.xxx-con.com (Straight - LEGAL)
www.maletalent.co.uk (Gay - LEGAL)

Should of edited the quote to make sure not to confuse anyone.

Post proof of illegal ones. In fact I can post proof of 1,000s of legal ones. They are legal until someone can prove otherwise. Presumption of innocence. And all that.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-02-2012, 11:24 PM

The file lockers are low hanging fruit. They are easy to make a case against.

File lockers are not new Drop Boxes and innocent victims of their own users. They are conspirators in criminal copyright infringement when they run user upload affiliate programs.

What amuses me is all the support Kim Dotcom gets around here like he is some great anti-governmental hero.

The only difference I see claimed is the C/P aspect of the filelockers. If there is substance in those claims there should be criminal indictments forthcoming. The irony of this industry being the instigator of their indictments would be paradoxical in the end game.

Not only a tactical change -- it helps the tubes too. It's not that my enemy's enemy is my friend but more of a case of the pot finding a dirtbag that is coincidentally competing with the kettle.

AdultKing · 07-02-2012, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The only difference I see claimed is the C/P aspect of the filelockers. If there is substance in those claims there should be criminal indictments forthcoming. The irony of this industry being the instigator of their indictments would be paradoxical in the end game.

Watch this space

Paul Markham · 07-03-2012, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The file lockers are low hanging fruit. They are easy to make a case against.

File lockers are not new Drop Boxes and innocent victims of their own users. They are conspirators in criminal copyright infringement when they run user upload affiliate programs.

What amuses me is all the support Kim Dotcom gets around here like he is some great anti-governmental hero.

The only difference I see claimed is the C/P aspect of the filelockers. If there is substance in those claims there should be criminal indictments forthcoming. The irony of this industry being the instigator of their indictments would be paradoxical in the end game.

Not only a tactical change -- it helps the tubes too. It's not that my enemy's enemy is my friend but more of a case of the pot finding a dirtbag that is coincidentally competing with the kettle.

Very true. File Lockers are very vulnerable via the funding route. Using C/P to fight them is merely a tool.

The flood back to buying porn online will turn out to be a trickle. We've spent far too long perfecting the ways of making buying porn unnecessary. Tubes will have more traffic.

KillerK · 07-03-2012, 12:47 AM

Atleast the file lockers make the user pay to use them, while the tube is free.

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Slappin Fish Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,512	If you look at niches on tubes, outside promotional material you will find a few amateur clips and a handful of pirated videos. The difference is tubes have no affiliate program, Boris and Patel have little incentive to upload. On filelockers Boris will go to incredible lengths to make his $20 per day, like having VPSs with dedicated software that upload 24 hours a day.

06-29-2012, 10:30 AM	#15
baryl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,086	Not to defend illegal tubes but they aren't quite as bad as file lockers. Say I'm a surfer that loves a particular paysite. I can go on a tube, comb through tens of thousands of videos and maybe find one or two poor quality videos from my favorite paysite. Or I can go to a file locker and get a full, up to date complete rip of that site in full HD quality plus the same for hundreds of other sites for a price that's a fraction of a membership. There's many ways to compete with a tube but no way to compete with a file locker. Last edited by baryl; 06-29-2012 at 10:37 AM..

06-29-2012, 10:58 AM	#20
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	I haven't yet seen a tube which has thousands of files of child exploitation material, yet I have identified file lockers with tens of thousands of child exploitation images and movies. It's not all about piracy, although that's an important component, it's also about common decency. And before anyone says people will just use peer to peer, it's important to note that police agencies have a very good handle on peer to peer now and can map out offenders very easily. Apparently here in Victoria they knock on doors every morning. File Lockers are easier for offenders to use and remain less detectable if they go about it the right way, the less of this material on the web the better IMHO.

06-29-2012, 09:36 PM	#24
bean-aid So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: the land of woke sleuths Posts: 16,493	Kill the uploads and kill the tubes. Fuck youtube as well. Site still is not in the money last I checked. What is the skewed statistics of youtube nowadays? The thing with youtube, amateur uploaded videos of whatever. Porn tubes straight up stole producers, sponsors, site owners videos. Now its this retarded fad to copy the model. Doesn't anyone in this industry have any balls? How hard, really, is it to destroy a datacenter?

07-02-2012, 11:24 PM	#33
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	The file lockers are low hanging fruit. They are easy to make a case against. File lockers are not new Drop Boxes and innocent victims of their own users. They are conspirators in criminal copyright infringement when they run user upload affiliate programs. What amuses me is all the support Kim Dotcom gets around here like he is some great anti-governmental hero. The only difference I see claimed is the C/P aspect of the filelockers. If there is substance in those claims there should be criminal indictments forthcoming. The irony of this industry being the instigator of their indictments would be paradoxical in the end game. Not only a tactical change -- it helps the tubes too. It's not that my enemy's enemy is my friend but more of a case of the pot finding a dirtbag that is coincidentally competing with the kettle. Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 07-02-2012 at 11:25 PM..

07-03-2012, 12:47 AM	#36
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	Atleast the file lockers make the user pay to use them, while the tube is free.