Killing off File Lockers - Page 129 - GoFuckYourself.com

AdultKing · 01-24-2014, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

does this mean, the piracy site owners are gfy users i.e. adult webmasters ?

so when bonga guy made comment in paully thread , piracy sites operators got the hint. i.e. one more program supporting piracy.

We'll work with responsible ad networks so they can rid themselves of piracy, the same goes for affiliate programs.

Ad networks and affiliate programs that blatantly support piracy will only have themselves to blame for the consequences that will follow.

adultmobile · 01-24-2014, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Ad networks and affiliate programs that blatantly support piracy will only have themselves to blame for the consequences that will follow.

Creatine · 01-24-2014, 07:19 PM

jódete · 01-24-2014, 07:38 PM

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https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19956968&postcount=17

johnnyloadproductions · 01-24-2014, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jódete

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19956965&postcount=16

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19956968&postcount=17

Go hit the gym fat ass, you look like you smell like shit too!
You're starting to attack AK like you did dgraves, got you banned as killswitch.

Spunky · 01-24-2014, 10:45 PM

The man will hold you over the barrel

adultmobile · 01-25-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Creatine

seeandsee · 01-25-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Alex911 · 01-27-2014, 12:39 AM

AK FYI I see there are some old Filesonic site rips of 18closeup.com (that were dead links since the Megaupload case) that are somehow revived under another filelocker domain (dizzcloud.com). We've been dealing with piracy for a while now, and from what I can tell, Filesonic operators are back with dizzcloud.com but ALSO with the links and content they had when they left the business.

AdultKing · 01-27-2014, 06:23 AM

@Alex911. Can you please get in contact ?

https://copycontrol.org/contact-us/

TonyJ · 01-27-2014, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

NO!!!!!

We should not resort to these tactics. We need to appear to hold the moral high ground in all of this.

The best way to deal with this issue is to strangle the file locker's ability to process payments. Once that's done there's another step but I won't post it yet as I don't want to forewarn the File Locker community who are monitoring these threads.

Posting paypal staff numbers on an adult industry forum is a good way to keep the moral high ground.

WDF · 01-27-2014, 03:00 PM

Dizzcloud and a Russian warez forum (http://fs.to) on the same IP.

NukePiracy · 01-27-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WDF

Dizzcloud and a Russian warez forum (fs.to) on the same IP.

More details regarding this post, the ip for dizzcloud used to be 54.247.162.121, this is now used by fs.to (Russian warez forum), which in turn forwards to brb.to, which appears to have once been used for filehosting in the past.

Another interesting note, Dizzcloud's original ips are used by reseller-keys.com, the ip is 109.206.166.100 which is used by cloudstoreservice.net which has a live copy of Dizzcloud hosted.

AdultKing · 01-27-2014, 11:06 PM

We've got a pretty good picture of Dizzcloud, we've tracked payment flows and have a good understanding of the relationships to other sites.

There are around 3000~ domains being used to share content hosted on Dizzcloud, the top ten are:

siterip.info
siterip.eu
site-rip.org
siterip.us
pornreleasez.com
allyoulike.com
bestsoftfull.com
gfxloops.info
uswarez.com
dlwarez.in

Dizzcloud are also associated with some illegal sites, much like Lumfile and Keep2Share.cc are.

Alex911 · 01-28-2014, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

@Alex911. Can you please get in contact ?

https://copycontrol.org/contact-us/

msg sent

MrDeiz · 01-29-2014, 09:37 AM

bump for some good news comming..

WDF · 01-29-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Dizzcloud are also associated with some illegal sites, much like Lumfile and Keep2Share.cc are.

That LumFile Pseudo-Bank/Currency Exchange in Viet Nam is fairly interesting.

dgraves · 01-30-2014, 11:29 PM

Here's another cocksucker.

http://pornoripmania.org

WDF · 01-31-2014, 01:04 AM

http://whois.domaintools.com/pornoripmania.org

http://whois.domaintools.com/eiforia.net

Webazilla is the host: http://webzilla.com/

Which is owned by XBT Holdings in Florida

http://www.xbt.com/contacts.shtml

WDF · 01-31-2014, 10:18 AM

Looks like 1 of our "friends" is not doing so well.

http://www.wjunction.com/95-file-hos...ml#post1945080

dgraves · 01-31-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WDF

http://whois.domaintools.com/pornoripmania.org

http://whois.domaintools.com/eiforia.net

Webazilla is the host: http://webzilla.com/

Which is owned by XBT Holdings in Florida

http://www.xbt.com/contacts.shtml

Sending out 480 DMCA's isn't the way I was planning on spending my Friday.

WDF · 01-31-2014, 05:04 PM

While I understand your sentiment, if you do not do it yourself or pay someone else to do it for you it just does not get done.

Of course DMCA is not really your only recourse. Sometimes it is simple other times it is a little tougher and you have to get mean.

When conventional means to do suit you or work you sometimes need to use non-conventional means. Think outside the box.

And no, non-conventional does not always imply illegal either.

dgraves · 01-31-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WDF

if you do not do it yourself or pay someone else to do it for you it just does not get done.

Because the sad reality is that you can't trust many people in this business. I'm a very trusting person and came from an industry that has excellent work ethics so it's been a process for me to get use to the liars, thieves and cheats. Most are right under our noses.

This industry attracts some shady people who are looking for a quick buck with little regard to how they get it.

I find it difficult to believe that the various take-down services are capable of effectively monitoring every customer's content. From my understanding, the content owners still have to do most of the leg work and find their content to report it for removal. At that point you might as well send out the DMCA yourself. But in particular cases like this it would be worth the money to have someone remove this many videos.

It's just part of the stealing game. The thieves take our content, time and money.

MrDeiz · 02-01-2014, 01:47 AM

that seem to be a rogue biller http://keep2share.cc/pr/867.html

AdultKing · 02-01-2014, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

I find it difficult to believe that the various take-down services are capable of effectively monitoring every customer's content. From my understanding, the content owners still have to do most of the leg work and find their content to report it for removal. At that point you might as well send out the DMCA yourself. But in particular cases like this it would be worth the money to have someone remove this many videos.

I think any reputable DMCA agent has the tools to effectively monitor for theft of your content. You would probably find the services of a DMCA agent would save you time which could be best spent on running your business.

As for further fighting infringement, I believe we already receive copies of your DMCA notices. If you had signed the rights holder agency agreement we had sent you then we could use that evidence to help shut down payment processing and web hosting, however without it we can only use your DMCA notices for general intelligence purposes.

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

that seem to be a rogue biller http://keep2share.cc/pr/867.html

k2s.cc/keep2share.cc is a site we're actively working on.

johnnyloadproductions · 02-01-2014, 04:39 AM

I noticed oteupload.com doesn't work anymore.

ShackledMaidens · 02-01-2014, 04:49 AM

but they are now called filehaste

http://www.wjunction.com/102-file-ho...183610-15.html

AdultKing · 02-01-2014, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ShackledMaidens

but they are now called filehaste

http://www.wjunction.com/102-file-ho...183610-15.html

We are going after that one too and they are just as vulnerable, processing through First Data. We know a lot about the owners, they are risking a lot by trying again.

WDF · 02-01-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ShackledMaidens

but they are now called filehaste

http://www.wjunction.com/102-file-ho...183610-15.html

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19933383&postcount=6368

Mentioned in the previous page of this thread.

They are currently using an email campaign to recruit users.

brassmonkey · 02-01-2014, 09:42 AM

you will never kill them as long as there is a demand.

you off one 10 pop up

dgraves · 02-01-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you will never kill them as long as there is a demand.

you off one 10 pop up

That's exactly what's happening and as long as they can hide behind DMCA claiming the files were "user" uploaded then it will be whac-a-mole.

Stealing content is low hanging fruit and any monkey with a computer can get into the theft business and make money with little effort.

brassmonkey · 02-01-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

That's exactly what's happening and as long as they can hide behind DMCA claiming the files were "user" uploaded then it will be whac-a-mole.

Stealing content is low hanging fruit and any monkey with a computer can get into the theft business and make money with little effort.

exactly and if they live in a country of the enemy your fucked. i think its apple the chinese built cloned stores and products

apple cant do shit to stop them

WDF · 02-01-2014, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

That's exactly what's happening and as long as they can hide behind DMCA claiming the files were "user" uploaded then it will be whac-a-mole.

DMCA is a band aid at best. It is ineffective, as you noted, in this scenario though.

This is why it should not be your only avenue of recourse/protection.

You could spend the rest of your life discussing what does not work or find the methods/means of what is a more effective or does work. Always keeping in mind that what works in 1 or some cases does not in all cases.

Another thing that many fail to look at is being proactive against future infringements.

You can not just react to current/past infringement.

There is no clear cut, simple, easy solution for online/digital piracy.

It is a complex issue and will require ongoing complex actions to combat it until stronger criminal and civil penalties/enforcements are implemented around most of the world.

US Law makers, same elsewhere though, are clueless about what to do or even how it happens other then the basic mechanics of online/digital piracy.

I spent several hours last week reviewing congressional sub-committee hearings/testimony on copyright and you would be surprised how little about infringement enforcements and penalties was discussed. More time was spent on discussing whether websites should be allowed to sell their interpretations of public laws then anything other topic.

When you have unscrupulous CashWhores on this side of the fence making things difficult with questionable legal actions that he courts throw out and get massive negative press it looks bad for everyone bringing these actions to court. This does not help promote more actions within the legal system for recourse.

But if you do not have time to send DMCA's about infringement you more then likely have no time to get involved in any other piracy mitigation/protection methods, to talk to lawmakers about the impact infringement has on you or the industry, or do research on the entire online/digital piracy ecosystem to educate/inform yourself why it is attractive to many and how to attack it.

Lets talk money for a moment. How much of that revenue that you lost to piracy is lost revenue for your local, state, and federal governments? That is something politicians/lawmakers understand. But you can't use imaginary unrealistic over inflated numbers so the credibility is not questioned. Remind them that loss also determines your ability to support them and the public good at fundraisers and with donations/contributions.

Is it a lot of effort, hell yes! Are you worth it to yourself? Business as usual means Business as usual, nothing changes.

AdultKing · 02-01-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

exactly and if they live in a country of the enemy your fucked. i think its apple the chinese built cloned stores and products

apple cant do shit to stop them

The Chinese authorities, in conjunction with Apple and other rights holders are constantly shutting down fake stores, including fake Apple stores. So your comments are not only wrong they are misinformed.

It appears to me that there is a certain section of the GFY community that actually cheers on the pirates, if the layers we peeled back I am guessing it's likely that those people have some direct or indirect interest in piracy.

The facts are that we are making significant progress in this war. There are less file lockers now than there were when we started this project in 2012. We have completely reframed the way in which payment processors look at this sector. We have significantly raised awareness amongst payment processors of the risk associated with file lockers and as a result it is MUCH harder to get credit card processing for a file locker now than it was before this project began.

There will be naysayers, especially amongst those who directly or indirectly benefit from piracy.

NEW XTC · 02-01-2014, 11:09 PM

whats up with massive infringer Upstore?

AdultKing · 02-02-2014, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NEW XTC

whats up with massive infringer Upstore?

Upsto.re / Upstore.net is far from massive.

That aside, it's gained a bit of traffic progressively using the Upstore.net domain, while at the same time we've been collecting a lot of data that will help us disrupt the site. It's not our highest priority site though.

I don't know if you're a rights holder or not, however if you are then contact us with any evidence of infringement by this or other sites that you may have.

https://copycontrol.org/contact-us

SplatterMaster · 02-02-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Upsto.re / Upstore.net is far from massive.

Upstore, Keep2share and Rapidgator should be 3 of the most major hosters you are going after now. These 3 are LARGE PIRATE SITES main hosters now

AdultKing · 02-02-2014, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Upstore, Keep2share and Rapidgator should be 3 of the most major hosters you are going after now. These 3 are LARGE PIRATE SITES main hosters now

All of them are bad. Keep2Share & Rapidgator are in the top 10. Upstore is smaller than other hosts that are much worse such as Dizzcloud, Ultramegabit, FileFactory and Uploaded.

If anyone has more examples of infringement that can give more weight to the case against Upstore then we need two things, copies of all DMCAs and a signed representation agreement. Then we can use DMCA evidence to go after them.

Anyone who wishes to arrange representation can contact us at https://copycontrol.org/contact-us

The cases we have progressed furthest are ones where we have several rights holders being pro-active with DMCAs and have an agreement with us.

brassmonkey · 02-02-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

The Chinese authorities, in conjunction with Apple and other rights holders are constantly shutting down fake stores, including fake Apple stores. So your comments are not only wrong they are misinformed.

It appears to me that there is a certain section of the GFY community that actually cheers on the pirates, if the layers we peeled back I am guessing it's likely that those people have some direct or indirect interest in piracy.

The facts are that we are making significant progress in this war. There are less file lockers now than there were when we started this project in 2012. We have completely reframed the way in which payment processors look at this sector. We have significantly raised awareness amongst payment processors of the risk associated with file lockers and as a result it is MUCH harder to get credit card processing for a file locker now than it was before this project began.

There will be naysayers, especially amongst those who directly or indirectly benefit from piracy.

fuck off

MrDeiz · 02-02-2014, 11:25 AM

hey AK
any updated on big FL?

AdultKing · 02-02-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

fuck off

A person who has no argument often resorts to abuse.

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

hey AK
any updated on big FL?

There have been a number of merchant terminations in recent times, however we do not specifically report those.

MrDeiz · 02-02-2014, 12:19 PM

why not?

dgraves · 02-02-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

why not?

Because the big ones are big for a reason. As hard as you work for something, there's someone working just as hard to take it away from you.

SplatterMaster · 02-04-2014, 03:39 PM

Antivirus Software Starts Blocking Pirate Websites

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-virus-pirate-block-140204/

adultmobile · 02-04-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Antivirus Software Starts Blocking Pirate Websites

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-virus-pirate-block-140204/

People will learn to use another antivirus to continue downloading stuff.

SplatterMaster · 02-04-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

People will learn to use another antivirus to continue downloading stuff.

They don't really need to do that. You can disable the block if you want. I think this is more for future generations. Today?s generation is too stupid and naive to realize a lot of these pirate site exist not only to sell pirated works but to also infect visitors computers with malware. Today crime has the upper hand on the WWW. One day regular people might understand that.

WDF · 02-04-2014, 08:05 PM

Got to love those malware infested ad networks that accept those sites.

AdultKing · 02-06-2014, 02:59 PM

John Adami, operator of OTEUpload (site now closed) and FileHaste (having payment processing problems) sent a DMCA for the Stop File Lockers site. In it he made the following claims.

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The links are screenshots of our copyrighted web design and other features of our site that are copyrighted. It is against our terms of service as well to take screenshots without the consent of our company and place them on outside websites. There are other images that are infringing on the website as well we have sent DMCA Requests to the website prior to this and the links and images were not removed so we see the next step to send it to you here.

Because of these outrages claims on this website our business has suffered and unfortunately we have been forced to close our doors on this company. We would like to see as much as possible done to this infringing site.

Obviously we will file a counter notice however there is some irony in a site hosting thousands of titles which are all copyright infringing complaining of copyright infringement, especially when there are no grounds for such a complaint.

Everyone may remember a few pages back in this thread the panicked emails to us trying to set up a deal in order to save OTEUpload.

The new venture of this crowd, FileHaste.com, has already lost some forms of payment processing and we are well advanced toward shutting down their methods of paying uploaders.

MrDeiz · 02-06-2014, 03:11 PM

money sent. keep doing your stuff please
any plans when FL stop be a big part of adult piracy?
and what's current situations with Fls, big and small? how do they bill now?

WDF · 02-06-2014, 03:28 PM

I believe they call it "Reaching Deep".

The damage is already done to their reputation among their users due to their payment issues and it was already done with others by their association with WJunction.

Any business operating there is 1 that knowingly "Profits from Piracy"!

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01-27-2014, 12:39 AM	#6409
Alex911 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 176	Filesonic.com files seem reactivated AK FYI I see there are some old Filesonic site rips of 18closeup.com (that were dead links since the Megaupload case) that are somehow revived under another filelocker domain (dizzcloud.com). We've been dealing with piracy for a while now, and from what I can tell, Filesonic operators are back with dizzcloud.com but ALSO with the links and content they had when they left the business. __________________ 18Closeup Cash: CCBill Program \| High Converting Niche \| Unmatched 80% Rev. Share!

01-27-2014, 03:00 PM	#6412
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	Dizzcloud and a Russian warez forum (http://fs.to) on the same IP. __________________ Please HELP Last edited by WDF; 01-27-2014 at 03:03 PM..

01-29-2014, 09:37 AM	#6416
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01-30-2014, 11:29 PM	#6418
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01-24-2014, 07:19 PM	#6403
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01-24-2014, 07:38 PM	#6404
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01-27-2014, 06:23 AM	#6410
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01-27-2014, 11:06 PM	#6414
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	We've got a pretty good picture of Dizzcloud, we've tracked payment flows and have a good understanding of the relationships to other sites. There are around 3000~ domains being used to share content hosted on Dizzcloud, the top ten are: siterip.info siterip.eu site-rip.org siterip.us pornreleasez.com allyoulike.com bestsoftfull.com gfxloops.info uswarez.com dlwarez.in Dizzcloud are also associated with some illegal sites, much like Lumfile and Keep2Share.cc are.

01-31-2014, 01:04 AM	#6419
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	http://whois.domaintools.com/pornoripmania.org http://whois.domaintools.com/eiforia.net Webazilla is the host: http://webzilla.com/ Which is owned by XBT Holdings in Florida http://www.xbt.com/contacts.shtml __________________ Please HELP

01-31-2014, 10:18 AM	#6420
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	Looks like 1 of our "friends" is not doing so well. http://www.wjunction.com/95-file-hos...ml#post1945080 __________________ Please HELP

01-31-2014, 05:04 PM	#6422
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	While I understand your sentiment, if you do not do it yourself or pay someone else to do it for you it just does not get done. Of course DMCA is not really your only recourse. Sometimes it is simple other times it is a little tougher and you have to get mean. When conventional means to do suit you or work you sometimes need to use non-conventional means. Think outside the box. And no, non-conventional does not always imply illegal either. __________________ Please HELP

02-01-2014, 01:47 AM	#6424
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02-01-2014, 04:39 AM	#6426
johnnyloadproductions Account Shutdown Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 3,611	I noticed oteupload.com doesn't work anymore.

02-01-2014, 04:49 AM	#6427
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02-01-2014, 11:09 PM	#6435
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02-02-2014, 11:25 AM	#6440
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02-04-2014, 03:39 PM	#6444
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02-04-2014, 08:05 PM	#6447
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02-06-2014, 03:11 PM	#6449
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02-06-2014, 03:28 PM	#6450
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	I believe they call it "Reaching Deep". The damage is already done to their reputation among their users due to their payment issues and it was already done with others by their association with WJunction. Any business operating there is 1 that knowingly "Profits from Piracy"! __________________ Please HELP