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jimmycooper 06-21-2012 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 19016634)
my not-so-well-articulated point is that consumers seem to not care about who or how their products get made.

Jews buy german product, obviously forgiving of cattle cars, starvation, naked lineups in freezing cold, experiments on twins, the lucky jews got gassed or shot fast.

Today americans are allegedly repulsed by slavery but are AOK that some of the things we buy are made by slaves. Who cares that the retina display was assembled by slaves, it looks so good. But the only winner in this game is Steve Jobs & apple stockholders, who are a lot richer because of the cost savings of chinese children vs americans & their burdensome workplace regulations.

this is why the american worker is dead. american consumers dont give a fuck. & neither do american CEOS like steve jobs.

:2 cents:
Relative to local wages, how much money are these retina display assembling slaves pulling in these days?

Joshua G 06-21-2012 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19016647)
Relative to local wages, how much money are these retina display assembling slaves pulling in these days?
good stuff found here

highlights:

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The facility has 230,000 employees, many working six days a week, often spending up to 12 hours a day at the plant. Over a quarter of Foxconn?s work force lives in company barracks and many workers earn less than $17 a day.
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In mid-2007, after a month of experimentation, Apple?s engineers finally perfected a method for cutting strengthened glass so it could be used in the iPhone?s screen. The first truckloads of cut glass arrived at Foxconn City in the dead of night, according to the former Apple executive. That?s when managers woke thousands of workers, who crawled into their uniforms ? white and black shirts for men, red for women ? and quickly lined up to assemble, by hand, the phones.
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A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company?s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day.
but hey, Steve jobs was a great man. who cares what happens half a world away to asian peasants. The important thing is apple made better margins.

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 07:36 AM
What the fuck does the treatment of workers in CHINA have to do with Steve Jobs?

Steve Jobs has no control over that shit. I mean really?

Even if Steve Jobs went to China himself and said "NO!" they would have laughed at him and whipped the next underage worker that walked by.

That's interesting about Apple engineers tho.

seeric 06-21-2012 07:52 AM
exactly. i don't care where the superior products come from. they get to me and i pay the money for them. not complicated at all. :2 cents:

mopek1 06-21-2012 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 19016036)
Agreed. I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating:

I fucking hate the postmortem worship of this monomaniac who was revered because he was obsessed with work, and loved scornfully busting other people?s balls if they weren?t obsessively working for him. People are always posting that stupid fucking Stanford address, they worship this guy like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. The fact that this type of malformed quasi-human is a ?hero? is why there is no way to have any kind of life in this country without being dedicated to work to the detriment of everything else. We worship people who worship work and money. We scoff at people who don?t want to work hard. Which is to say, every person with a fucking soul.

They made a big dfucking deal about Jobs? last words being ?wow... oh wow? as though he were fully comprehending the infinite universes contained in a single flower petal. But I bet he was remembering some fucking regression formula he had browbeaten some underling into coming up with that successfully calculated the bare minimum you could pay some faceless Shanghai serf to bend a lead wire ten thousand times per day before they threaten to jump off a building. I bet he was calculating the compound interest on that bonus he fucked Wozniak out of forty years back and becoming one with the dazzling power of exponential growth. I bet he was remembering how he?d fucked over some corporate rival and gotten them to fold ? like, he?d heard the news that Adobe Flash Player was finally tanking. Whatever it was, you can one hundered per cent god damn guarantee that whatever Jobs was oh wow-ing about as the cancer of his soul finally became corporeal was some monomaniacal thing having to do with work, money and ambition.

By the way, if you told me on my deathbed that my children and grandchildren would never have to restart their browser again because adobe flashplayer had another update like they do every five fucking minutes, my final words would probably also be, "wow... oh wow."
I second this and it's nice to hear someone tell it like it is.

woj 06-21-2012 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 19016708)
good stuff found here

highlights:

but hey, Steve jobs was a great man. who cares what happens half a world away to asian peasants. The important thing is apple made better margins.
You think there is something wrong with the fact that apple provided employment for 1000s of Chinese, who otherwise would farm in even worse conditions for fraction of what they make at those factories? Or which part exactly do you have a problem with?

smutnut 06-21-2012 10:31 AM
Jimmy Hoffa, another better biography!

Joshua G 06-21-2012 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19017164)
You think there is something wrong with the fact that apple provided employment for 1000s of Chinese, who otherwise would farm in even worse conditions for fraction of what they make at those factories? Or which part exactly do you have a problem with?
well, the part where, in the past, those imac jobs were in the USA? from the same article...

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In its early days, Apple usually didn?t look beyond its own backyard for manufacturing solutions. A few years after Apple began building the Macintosh in 1983, for instance, Mr. Jobs bragged that it was ?a machine that is made in America.? In 1990, while Mr. Jobs was running NeXT, which was eventually bought by Apple, the executive told a reporter that ?I?m as proud of the factory as I am of the computer.? As late as 2002, top Apple executives occasionally drove two hours northeast of their headquarters to visit the company?s iMac plant in Elk Grove, Calif.
Maybe the corporate decision that they make more money paying chinese 17 bucks a day. Jobs that once belonged to americans at a living wage, working in factories that dont have explosions & high suicide rates.

i guess my beef is with capitalism, or its immorality, when CEOS decide the bottom line is most important. better to send low skilled labor to where its cheapest, regardless of the pay & working conditions of the people at the bottom.

Like i said, consumers dont care, CEOs dont care.

2MuchMark 06-21-2012 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19015640)
For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market.
Hi Mike,

It's no secret that the Mouse and GUI that Windows and OS/X are based on today were invented by Xerox, but its a myth that Jobs stole these ideas. Jobs and several Apple employees including Jef Raskin visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Xerox Alto. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return paid them $1M + the option to buy 100,000 shares of Apple at the pre-IPO price of $10 a share.

raymor 06-21-2012 11:12 AM
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many workers earn less than $17 a day.
and many earn more? Okay, let's do some comparison. The average salary for an engineer in China is $10 per day. Accountants, $7, and bakers $4. So the lower end factory worker assembing iphones makes as much as an engineer and an accountant put together. It sounds to me like China sucks, but it sucks a lot less if you can get hired to assemble iphones. As I mentioned before, I don't buy Apple because I don't like the way they treat their customers, but let's be fair in our critism - those employees are very grateful for the job.


The really bad thing is that some US leaders are using socialist / communist economies like Chona and Europe as examples of what they want the US to be like. The average income (PPP) in EU countries is $31,000. In the US, $48,000. How many times have you heard Obama indicate we should be more like Europe. Yeah, that's a great idea, let's all be $17,000 poorer.

woj 06-21-2012 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 19017208)
well, the part where, in the past, those imac jobs were in the USA? from the same article...



Maybe the corporate decision that they make more money paying chinese 17 bucks a day. Jobs that once belonged to americans at a living wage, working in factories that dont have explosions & high suicide rates.

i guess my beef is with capitalism, or its immorality, when CEOS decide the bottom line is most important. better to send low skilled labor to where its cheapest, regardless of the pay & working conditions of the people at the bottom.

Like i said, consumers dont care, CEOs dont care.
but does it really make sense to pay someone $300+/day to do a job that can be done equally well [or better] for $17/day? it's common sense that $17/day is the way to go, you would have to be a complete idiot to pick the $300 option in this case...

the only plausible but flawed argument is that picking $17/day option hurts the US economy, but it doesn't... it causes less to be produced at a higher cost, actually hurting the US economy... :2 cents:

smutnut 06-21-2012 11:28 AM
It's on my list right after Alphonso Calpone's biography

Joshua G 06-21-2012 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19017279)
but does it really make sense to pay someone $300+/day to do a job that can be done equally well [or better] for $17/day? it's common sense that $17/day is the way to go, you would have to be a complete idiot to pick the $300 option in this case...

the only plausible but flawed argument is that picking $17/day option hurts the US economy, but it doesn't... it causes less to be produced at a higher cost, actually hurting the US economy... :2 cents:
yeah, it makes sense to pay less for the same result. i'm just considering that the people getting paid the pittance are working in 19th century conditions, things you would never want US workers going through. thats why theres a minimum wage law, workplace safety laws.

american workers should not be competing with this type of labor in a free market. our government should be slapping tariffs on products so that these discrepancies are priced out, & CEOs no longer see themselves getting richer having american innovations made by 19th century labor practices.

woj 06-21-2012 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 19017947)
yeah, it makes sense to pay less for the same result. i'm just considering that the people getting paid the pittance are working in 19th century conditions, things you would never want US workers going through. thats why theres a minimum wage law, workplace safety laws.

american workers should not be competing with this type of labor in a free market. our government should be slapping tariffs on products so that these discrepancies are priced out, & CEOs no longer see themselves getting richer having american innovations made by 19th century labor practices.
for them the conditions are probably pretty good, working in a factory likely beats plowing the fields manually 16 hours per day like most of the population does over there... as their economy progresses over there, so will the work conditions...

I don't see anything wrong with taking advantage of this... Chinese workers get to work in better conditions (as compared to farming), western companies get products produced cheaply, consumers throughout the world get products reasonably priced, and there is even some profit left over for the innovators/investors/CEOs/etc...

everyone involved wins from this... :2 cents:

smutnut 06-21-2012 06:33 PM
He was such a prince. Backstabbed his buddies and made you losers pay extra for shit you can get in windows for free. LOL

Donny 06-21-2012 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19015640)
For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market.
If you'd taken my advice and read this book first, you'd see that he openly admits this.

Donny 06-21-2012 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19016193)

"A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." is probably my favorite quote.
Yes Indeed!

Donny 06-21-2012 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 19017987)
He was such a prince. Backstabbed his buddies and made you losers pay extra for shit you can get in windows for free. LOL
The ignorance is strong with this one.

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 10:21 PM
Foxconn is pretty incredible working conditions... You should see where other less profitable companies have their employees working. You also can't believe everything you read on the internet. People have motives.

Why do people keep bringing up if he's a Nice guy or not?

That's not why people give him credit.

The things you are saying about working conditions in China are irrelevant and very complicated something Steve Jobs has very little control over.

He can NOT manufacture in the USA it is NOT POSSIBLE. If they could they would so China would stop stealing everything.

Steve Jobs is VERY honest about how he has come up with his ideas.

It's obvious the people who are criticizing Jobs really has no clue about him.

Most of the shit people criticize him for are their own assumptions. Steve Jobs has never said "I invented the GUI from an idea I had in a dream." lol.

Who did he backstab? Who worked with him and is not rich today? lol

Pay extra for shit in OSX???????
Apple's OS has ALWAYS come bundled with better free Software than Windows wtf kind of argument is that? Clueless.

Etc.

http://www.zurb.com/article/801/stev...uth-about-inno

Donny 06-21-2012 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19018206)
Foxconn is pretty incredible working conditions... You should see where other less profitable companies have their employees working. You also can't believe everything you read on the internet. People have motives.

Why do people keep bringing up if he's a Nice guy or not?

That's not why people give him credit.

The things you are saying about working conditions in China are irrelevant and very complicated something Steve Jobs has very little control over.

He can NOT manufacture in the USA it is NOT POSSIBLE. If they could they would so China would stop stealing everything.

Steve Jobs is VERY honest about how he has come up with his ideas.

It's obvious the people who are criticizing Jobs really has no clue about him.

Most of the shit people criticize him for are their own assumptions. Steve Jobs has never said "I invented the GUI from an idea I had in a dream." lol.

Who did he backstab? Who worked with him and is not rich today? lol

Pay extra for shit in OSX???????
Apple's OS has ALWAYS come bundled with better free Software than Windows wtf kind of argument is that? Clueless.

Etc.

http://www.zurb.com/article/801/stev...uth-about-inno
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
Booyah!

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 10:24 PM
Creativity is defined as the tendency to generate or recognize ideas, alternatives, or possibilities that may be useful in solving problems.

idolbucks 06-21-2012 10:29 PM
"Steve Jobs died because he refused medical treatment for his cancer. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic"

According to Reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearne...fused_medical/

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 10:30 PM
You are going to say he screwed Steve Wozniak because you don't enough of the story.

But is Steve really a great guy? That deserves to be defended so strongly? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574...ds-kim-dotcom/

Colmike9 06-21-2012 10:32 PM
I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by idolbucks (Post 19018215)
"Steve Jobs died because he refused medical treatment for his cancer. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic"

According to Reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearne...fused_medical/
Yes and? This is what A LOT of cancer patients are doing today. More ignorance on your part. People are very afraid of Chemotherapy.

Psychic? Who knows.

Really more irrelevant nonsense.

Donny 06-21-2012 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19016613)
He has believed it was ok to sell blue boxes
I don't believe he thought it was "okay". He did it because he could. When I was in the Navy, I did the same thing. All I had to do was purchase a Radio Shack auto dialer, remove one crystal and solder in another, and then program the dialer to replicate quarters being dropped into the phone. It was easy and profitable, but I never thought it was "okay". It just felt cool to get one over on AT&T. I'm pretty sure Jobs never thought his blue box was "okay".

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018217)
I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...
He didn't write the book dipshit.

Colmike9 06-21-2012 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19018225)
He didn't write the book dipshit.
No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself :321GFY

Tijuana_Tom 06-21-2012 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018231)
No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself :321GFY
:1orglaugh Moron

Donny 06-21-2012 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018231)
No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself :321GFY
You are an idiot. Seriously. The book is full of invaluable lessons on a multitude of topics.

But you are right: idiots shouldn't read it. Head back to Burger King and flip some burgers. You don't deserve to read the contents of this book. Seriously, there is no shame in your flipping burgers for a living. I need someone to keep flipping mine for me, otherwise I'd get really hungry.

Colmike9 06-21-2012 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 19018233)
You are an idiot. Seriously. The book is full of invaluable lessons on a multitude of topics.

But you are right: idiots shouldn't read it. Head back to Burger King and flip some burgers. You don't deserve to read the contents of this book.
Just saying that I don't fucking like the guy, damn. None of you dumb fucks would know what he really talked about because Apple would never hire any of you.

And I'm good, averaging $2000/day in sales and $60/hr for marketing is keeping me from working at BK..

Donny 06-21-2012 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018235)
Just saying that I don't fucking like the guy, damn. None of you dumb fucks would know what he really talked about because Apple would never hire any of you.

And I'm good, averaging $2000/day in sales and $60/hr for marketing is keeping me from working at BK..
It's alright man, don't get all defensive on us. We still need burger flippers. How else can I keep this boyish figure? Damn.

Colmike9 06-21-2012 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 19018239)
It's alright man, don't get all defensive on us. We still need burger flippers. How else can I keep this boyish figure? Damn.
I just want to say how messed up he was and constantly worried about keeping relationships strong and other random bs like that and never about the OS updates that we were developing, but I'm not allowed to say details.

Donny 06-21-2012 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018242)
I just want to say how messed up he was and constantly worried about keeping relationships strong and other random bs like that and never about the OS updates that we were developing, but I'm not allowed to say details.
If you actually read the book you'd see that all of that is discussed. He's not made out to be a saint. In fact, the book shows him as quite the asshole to others. Read it.

Colmike9 06-21-2012 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 19018243)
If you actually read the book you'd see that all of that is discussed. He's not made out to be a saint. In fact, the book shows him as quite the asshole to others. Read it.
If that's the case, then I might read it.. :upsidedow

Donny 06-21-2012 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018247)
If that's the case, then I might read it.. :upsidedow
You should. It doesn't kiss his ass. It talks about how he was an asshole even after he knew he was dying, when common sense would say that he'd change his ways and be kind.

Shotsie 06-21-2012 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018217)
I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...

There's a whole website dedicated to Steve Jobs' email responses to customers, because apparently, enough people were so fucking amazed that a man of god-like stature like Steve Jobs would take the time to shit out a couple three word replies once or twice a year to mere mortal Apple customers - basically telling them to go fuck themselves - they had to compile them all and build a fucking website around it.

Here's a fucking gem of a correspondence right here:

Michael J. M. wrote:

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Hey Steve!
I have a question about upgrading to Lion that I haven’t seen addressed anywhere.
I know that if I have multiple Macs in my house with the same Apple ID I can purchase Lion once and upgrade all of them. But my wife and I have separate Apple IDs. Do we need to purchase Lion twice in order to install on both of our Macs?
\

Steve Jobs wrote:

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yes
Oh my god!!:love2suck

just a punk 06-22-2012 04:26 AM


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this was taken at the grand opening of the 5th avenue apple store in new york city. a man in a wheelchair came up to steve jobs and asked for his autograph. jobs proceeded to tell him "no. sign it yourself" in an arrogant way. then when the man asked again jobs says "o, now lay on the guilt. start crying". finally the man told him that he had spent 25 hours on an airplane to get there and jobs caved. after signing he told the man to "go see the rest of the store". what the man had jobs sign was an original copy of a macworld issue with steve jobs on the cover debuting the original macintosh.


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