but does it really make sense to pay someone $300+/day to do a job that can be done equally well [or better] for $17/day? it's common sense that $17/day is the way to go, you would have to be a complete idiot to pick the $300 option in this case...

the only plausible but flawed argument is that picking $17/day option hurts the US economy, but it doesn't... it causes less to be produced at a higher cost, actually hurting the US economy... :2 cents:

It's on my list right after Alphonso Calpone's biography

yeah, it makes sense to pay less for the same result. i'm just considering that the people getting paid the pittance are working in 19th century conditions, things you would never want US workers going through. thats why theres a minimum wage law, workplace safety laws.

american workers should not be competing with this type of labor in a free market. our government should be slapping tariffs on products so that these discrepancies are priced out, & CEOs no longer see themselves getting richer having american innovations made by 19th century labor practices.

for them the conditions are probably pretty good, working in a factory likely beats plowing the fields manually 16 hours per day like most of the population does over there... as their economy progresses over there, so will the work conditions...

I don't see anything wrong with taking advantage of this... Chinese workers get to work in better conditions (as compared to farming), western companies get products produced cheaply, consumers throughout the world get products reasonably priced, and there is even some profit left over for the innovators/investors/CEOs/etc...

everyone involved wins from this... :2 cents:

He was such a prince. Backstabbed his buddies and made you losers pay extra for shit you can get in windows for free. LOL

If you'd taken my advice and read this book first, you'd see that he openly admits this.

Yes Indeed!

The ignorance is strong with this one.

Foxconn is pretty incredible working conditions... You should see where other less profitable companies have their employees working. You also can't believe everything you read on the internet. People have motives.

Why do people keep bringing up if he's a Nice guy or not?

That's not why people give him credit.

The things you are saying about working conditions in China are irrelevant and very complicated something Steve Jobs has very little control over.

He can NOT manufacture in the USA it is NOT POSSIBLE. If they could they would so China would stop stealing everything.

Steve Jobs is VERY honest about how he has come up with his ideas.

It's obvious the people who are criticizing Jobs really has no clue about him.

Most of the shit people criticize him for are their own assumptions. Steve Jobs has never said "I invented the GUI from an idea I had in a dream." lol.

Who did he backstab? Who worked with him and is not rich today? lol

Pay extra for shit in OSX???????
Apple's OS has ALWAYS come bundled with better free Software than Windows wtf kind of argument is that? Clueless.

Etc.

http://www.zurb.com/article/801/stev...uth-about-inno

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Booyah!

Creativity is defined as the tendency to generate or recognize ideas, alternatives, or possibilities that may be useful in solving problems.

"Steve Jobs died because he refused medical treatment for his cancer. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic"

According to Reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearne...fused_medical/

You are going to say he screwed Steve Wozniak because you don't enough of the story.

But is Steve really a great guy? That deserves to be defended so strongly? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574...ds-kim-dotcom/

I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...

Yes and? This is what A LOT of cancer patients are doing today. More ignorance on your part. People are very afraid of Chemotherapy.

Psychic? Who knows.

Really more irrelevant nonsense.

I don't believe he thought it was "okay". He did it because he could. When I was in the Navy, I did the same thing. All I had to do was purchase a Radio Shack auto dialer, remove one crystal and solder in another, and then program the dialer to replicate quarters being dropped into the phone. It was easy and profitable, but I never thought it was "okay". It just felt cool to get one over on AT&T. I'm pretty sure Jobs never thought his blue box was "okay".

He didn't write the book dipshit.

No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself :321GFY

:1orglaugh Moron

You are an idiot. Seriously. The book is full of invaluable lessons on a multitude of topics.

But you are right: idiots shouldn't read it. Head back to Burger King and flip some burgers. You don't deserve to read the contents of this book. Seriously, there is no shame in your flipping burgers for a living. I need someone to keep flipping mine for me, otherwise I'd get really hungry.

Just saying that I don't fucking like the guy, damn. None of you dumb fucks would know what he really talked about because Apple would never hire any of you.

And I'm good, averaging $2000/day in sales and $60/hr for marketing is keeping me from working at BK..

It's alright man, don't get all defensive on us. We still need burger flippers. How else can I keep this boyish figure? Damn.

I just want to say how messed up he was and constantly worried about keeping relationships strong and other random bs like that and never about the OS updates that we were developing, but I'm not allowed to say details.

If you actually read the book you'd see that all of that is discussed. He's not made out to be a saint. In fact, the book shows him as quite the asshole to others. Read it.

If that's the case, then I might read it.. :upsidedow

You should. It doesn't kiss his ass. It talks about how he was an asshole even after he knew he was dying, when common sense would say that he'd change his ways and be kind.

There's a whole website dedicated to Steve Jobs' email responses to customers, because apparently, enough people were so fucking amazed that a man of god-like stature like Steve Jobs would take the time to shit out a couple three word replies once or twice a year to mere mortal Apple customers - basically telling them to go fuck themselves - they had to compile them all and build a fucking website around it.

Here's a fucking gem of a correspondence right here:

Michael J. M. wrote:

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Steve Jobs wrote:

Oh my god!!:love2suck