Just Alex

So Im looking at global access website and see this for Japan:

$1.08 per SMS
International phone $0.12 per minute
International phone $1.20 per 10 minutes

What does this mean? Surfer gets 10 minutes in members area for $1.20 or this is the total price for the membership?

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obviously a complex issue and paul will address this when he is awoken by a servant

k0nr4d

I'm no paul, but i think the user is charged based on how long they sit on the phone, and then that amount is credited to your account (sans the carrier fees and GA's cut). It's useful for credit based sites like cams etc.

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anexsia

Can Paul please verify this?

KRosh

There is no membership.

The phone rate is what you get paid out per minute the surfer has access to the content.

Surfer goes to site chooses Premium Phone billing. They call a number that is provided to them at the join page. They enter a pin that is provided also and now the surfer has access as long as the phone is off the hook. They are billed to their home phone instead of a credit card. The longer the phone is off the hook the more they are charged.

The SMS billing is a little bit more convoluted but is explained very well here
http://www.global-acces.com/sms-billing.php

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Tijuana_Tom

Global access is on GFY.

Paul only knows about BBS.

ManuelX

Hi, contact me, I will explain in detail,

ManuelX

What you have seen is the rates page, with our phonebilling system you can set exactly how much access you give to customers depending on how many minutes they spend on a call, or per SMS, the $1,20 refers to the money you will get for a 10 minute call from a customer from Japan for example.

lagcam

How much does that customer in Japan actually pay for that 10 minute call?

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ManuelX

For international calls it is impossible to know, as it depends totally on the different telephone carriers.

DamianJ

A FUCK of a lot more than that.

OP, try iTelebill for some good rates on payout.

lagcam

LOL, seriously? You want me to believe that you don't know how much the customer pays?

We know you are a business and you make money, why can't you give an honest answer to this?

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ManuelX

Care to clarify?

ManuelX

You asked how much does a customer from Japan pay, in Japan as in many other countries we use intermational numbers, there is no way that we can know exactly what rates each country`s carrier applies to the different terminations, as it depends on the carriers interconnect agreement, as you rightly said we are all here to make money.

lagcam

But how can you know EXACTLY how much you pay out?

I know people use Global Acces happily and you are a legitimate company. I actually have had an account myself for maybe 4 or 5 years, but have never used it out of a concern that the end user charges were too high and it looks like this is still the case if you are too embarrassed to answer direct questions about them.

You are in this thread to sell...... so sell.

Just tell me what the customer pays for each of the carriers in Japan.

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lagcam

It is all about transparency.

With most payment systems, you tell the customer how much he will pay before he clicks submit [example A]. You know how much the processor will take from you in fees [example b], and you know how much will end up in your bank example [c]


With ccbill or any other processor, you know all of these numbers. With global acces, you can't tell the customer his end charge? and the only number you know is what you will get in your bank?

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ManuelX

Phone billing is not quite the same bussiness for many reasons. As I mentioned before with "INTERNATIONAL" numbers we do not know the exact price that the customer pays due to the reasons stated before, with Premium rate numbers and SMS the user is told EXACTLY what the charges are per minute or per SMS, it is actually displayed on the billing page before he calls or sends his SMS. Hope that answers your question.

lagcam

You know it didn't answer my question despite the fact that I couldn't have asked that question any clearer, but nevermind, your nonsense replies have killed any interest I may have had in the answer or Global acces.

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Due

It will cost the user between 0.005 USD per minute (half a cent) up to about 1 USD per minute depending on the calling plan the user have with their telecom.

It's an international number, the rates are not fixed and they are set out solely by the provider of the end user and the calling plan the user is on. We don't ask the user about calling plans or whatnot, we just know what numbers would be most likely to have good billing access based on his IP address.

I'm sorry you are not happy with the answer provided, you will get the same answer from anyone else you ask who have a clue of what they are talking about. If they claim something else then be sure you have a clear agreement on how and when you are getting paid since it looks like they are just telling you want you wanna hear.

We are not using numbers defined as IPRS by ITU for the sole reason that adult services wouldn't be paid if used from countries where adult services are not allowed due to political or religious reasons. In general they have also poor access and the pricing is still not transparent.

For domestic numbers, premium sms, direct billing or wap billing we obviously know the charges as we are charging using direct contracts and the phone company have a pre-agreed markup with us.

We obviously try and get Premium SMS or other domestic billing options in countries that is important and where the services would be allowed by the local regulators, but when it's not possible, examples like turkey, saudi arabia, iraq, afghanistan and so on we figured people use our system to increase their button line so if we can charge someone then we will per default.

If you are not happy with that then we can block countries on an account basis when there is no domestic billing options, this allows you to accept money only from people where you have a 100% accurate view of what the end user is charged. We can also redirect it back to a predefined URL.

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Just Alex

Interesting. So no matter what the payout is set at 1.20 per 10 minute call? Even if he's charged 0.005 per minute?

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Due

Yes, the telecoms are charged at wholesale rates and they charge their customers based on their selected plans. There can be users on specific group plans who can call the numbers for less than what their provider is charged.

Some companies may also just give in their plans "1500 minutes domestic calling and 250 minutes international calling" for $xx.xx per month. Obviously calculating the end user cost in such circumstances is next to impossible.

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BNMedia

I use phone billing provided by GXBill but I've started pulling it off my join pages. Recently I've seen users with a fast connection get 10 minutes access and download several hundred MB of content. All for less than $2 ! It doesn't make good business sense!

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Just Alex

I think the only way to benefit from this is to use geoip or some sort of redirect only for those countries that won't bill thru CC anyway. Like ex-ussr countries that decline on traditional billing platforms.

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lagcam

Finally, an answer to the question. Now why was that so hard?


As opposed to not telling me anything like the first few answers given.

I understand how your business works, and I understand that that of the companies that operate in this field, you were as far as I am aware, and may still be the only ones who guarantee the payout and don't make the webmaster wait until you get paid to pay out, but you must understand that potential users of your service *SHOULD* want to know (and care) how much the end user will be charged to access their site.

You have now answered the question but I think it would have made you look better if you didn't at first try so hard not to.

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papill0n

notice paul went nowhere near it