calling it a debate gives creationists a bit too much credit, there is no debate.

you wouldn't call a retard who just shit his pants and believes in fairies and underpants gnomes arguing with a scientist a debate would you?

same thing.

Hopefully as present and future generations become more educated and our knowledge in all sciences expands at even faster rates, this notion of creationism will be put in its rightful place, the fairytale section of the library.

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I like reading up on both of these theories. Then you die and get to find out who was right!

You see how they lie about their mythical figure god?

This is clearly a lie as this mythical figure god does treat people very differently. Like the Egyptians for not doing as they were told to, or the Canaanites for living in the places the Jews wanted or were told to take from them. According to the Bible he even told them to kill all the children goats and animals. not sure what he had against the animals. But he definitely treated the Canaanites and the occupants of the lands very differently.

And this has continued through time. This mythical figure god has been treating people very differently through time, right up to today. He tells his representatives on Earth to go tell their followers what to do and how to act. Did he tell the Jews in Israel today to treat the Muslims differently, to continue to steal their land?

Did he tell the Spanish to go to S. America and inflict genocide on the natives and steal their land and gold?

Did he tell Roman Catholics and Protestants to burn each other at the stake?

Did he tell Popes to burn people at the stake for telling the scientific truth?

This mythical, made up figure has been telling people, according to them, to kill people ever since they dreamed him up.

Quoting what one man writes 700 years before as a prophecy and then making a later story fit the prophecy is easy.

The one thing that the Jews were very fond of was, inventing Messiahs. Seems they found one that stuck and then changed sides. :1orglaugh

But aren't atheists or non-religions at the same fault? The Goulog's, Hitler, Mao, the killing fields, or now-a-days North Korea? Just playing devil's advocate.

i didnt mention the wheel.

the point was how we achieved way more in the last 100 or 200 years than in 10,000 years before.

and everything you say existed already thousands of years without that effect that industrialisation had. which was basically started by inventing the steam engine

Spot on, we just don't hide our sins behind the myth of the god guy.

I get why people make fun of the bible with talking snakes, and people that turn into pillars of salt, and men living inside fish in it. I understand that, but at the same time, given the universe that we're living in, the idea that there is some kind of first cause that's running things is very persuasive. It might not be the God of Westboro Baptist Church, it might not be the God of Al-Qaeda, and it might not be the God of Abraham, but something could very well be running things. The order of the universe as we see it, the interlocking nature, and the way things work together, are persuasive of the idea that there may be some overarching first cause.

The arrogance on both sides is amusing since neither of them knows, most likely will never know, for sure.

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I don't knock the idea of God (and have my own idea of what that means) but isn't this thread about the literal interpretation of creationism as printed in the bible and not an atheist/theist debate?

very different things.

Also we do know for sure that there are rocks on the earth that date back about 4.5 billion years, this is a fact and not compatible with the bible story of creationism.

Gosh Paul, you are so bored you're trolling religion? That is just too easy man...

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No it was Baddog.

And yes for the last 400 years approx, science has increasingly picked up pace and we can only guess how much faster it will go. Yes steam was better than man power improved by animal power, then water, then wind, etc. Steam engine invention???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine#History

Go read it, I have the advantage of too much spare time. :1orglaugh

if you have so much spare time then read up James Watt

Troll on old man, troll on.

Yes it's all about the "Creationist v Evolutionist" debate. Still side tracking is fun. :thumbsup

I hope people debating the idea of some being or thing creating the Universe understand that when we solve that riddle, we have another one?

What created, what created the Universe?

Think about, it's the ultimate never ending question. What created what created the creator? :1orglaugh

you bet money...? Since you like to deal in facts so much, point to where it meant 24 hours.

Debating evolution as a mechanism is a little silly, though not nearly as silly as debating God. Debating the existence of the spirit is like debating the existence of back pain - those who have it, know it.

Whoops, me thinking a day in Genesis meant 24 hours. You got me on that one.

Raymor is right, if you have faith, you believe.

I don't know what created the Universe or brought all the elements together to form the Earth. I do know the Bible is a fairy story.

I'm siding with Stephen Hawking in that their is no room for a creator.
The concept that this is all that there is. That or we are an ever advancing school project.

you know nothing

Interest program last night about Gobekli Tepe.

It predates the time of when we moved from Hunter Gathers to Farmers. They have recently found the remains of an older temple than this one they estimate was built 15,000 years ago.

Back to watch TV.

The scientists doing the archeology and research are putting forward theories that turn previous theories upside down.

These temples were built by Hunter Gatherers. They took a lot of organised labor, that had to be housed and fed. This was previously thought to of happened after we started to farm, but this isn't what happened here.

There are signs of a settlement being found, feasts and even grain storage for a wild wheat/grass bread. Also lots of bones were found, all the remains of non domesticated animals and eaten as food.

So they now think these people came together to go hunt and gather as a fixed unit instead of following the migrating herds or moving on to new places. The community needed a better way to feed itself and "discovered" farming. They also needed a set of rules and elevated the primitive religion they had to a higher form so they could live together with the rules required to co-exist.

There were no Aliens or help from god. They did it themselves.

The size of the statues are also interesting. Until then cave paintings had pictured man as part of his environment, now they were building temples and statues to tower over his environment.

They, and in other programs, also touched on other themes in early religions that are similar to modern religions. Resurrection, eating the flesh and blood of a victim which Catholics adopted with Mass, afterlife, etc.