The book of Genesis says God created it in 7 days, makes no mention of the 100,000s of creature who came before Homo Sapiens and is so full on holes it makes a sieve look solid. But they got it right on a couple of counts, so it all has to be the word of God.

The Plagues are all natural phenomenon and any happen all the time. with or without Moses. Got links to the evidence of them army chasing the Israelites out of Egypt? Been watching programs made before they found it. These programs had evidence Egyptians built the Pyramids.

Evolution is easy to prove, because it's all around us and happening today. Man is showing "God fans" how it's true.

Think about it before you answer.

So homa sapiens exist 200 000 years that means humans like you and me without the moneky like hair and stuff.
Then tell me why they show caveman like a hairy monkey who supposedly lived only 10 000 years ago.
in 200 000 years homo sapiens lived like hunter gatherers and were to stupid to make a bow and arrow and in 4000 years we have "evolved" into homo sapiens changing dna and creating half man/half animal creatures. yeah right
your theory is a conspiracy theory dude.

Fully idiot.

+ wheel

Sorry, have to stop if someone is going to assume that 7 days = 168 hours. The problem is when stupid people start taking parables literally.

No, stupid people adjust parables to convince themselves, and others, of their own stupid beliefs.

Wrong. go figure out why.

True. The problem confounds itself when they all think it's the word of the big man in the sky.

Frank21, go pick up a book on the subject before you post again.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and you are clueless about virtually every subject you speak about on this board. You are a walking...talking comedy of errors and yet you pontificate about anything and everything as if you are an authority...when you in fact...are just an uneducated...and for the most part... ignorant...silly old man.

It's good that Paul posts and does it with such good humor.

You guys need the exercise.

Apparently if you would go from what the bible claims, the planet is only 15.000 years old. Paul you must know that English professor who made a lot of TV programs about religions... in one of these shows he was travelling through the US and talking to some religious people and they were totally convinced that the planet is 15.000 years old and there was no way for him to have a normal debate about it... so basically these fanatics just deny everything modern science has come up with in the past decades. God created earth 15.000 years ago is what they keep thinking. But what happens when they get seriously ill? Do they go to their church to pray and ask God to cure them, or do they go to a hospital where people are being treated based on modern science? :winkwink:

I like Paul as a person, he's allright, I just don't always agree with him about professional matters even though our backgrounds are a bit similar - old school producers from the pre-web years.

People who continue to bash him do have issues with themselves.

i thought about adding that but on the other hand the wheel existed for a couple of thousand years before the other stuff and nothing really happened. but it was the steam machine (or engine) which started industrialisation in the 17th century

and also wars are an important factor, they seem to make people creative.

The first big step in cultivation was farming. When people started to grow their own vegetables and breed their own animals, they had less reasons for having to move around all the time so they started to convert large pieces of forests into farming land, using the wood for building houses and for heating and cooking. They started to live in villages instead of tents and with that, the battles came; communities expanding their territory and taking the communities around them. I don't think this contributed to the destruction of the planet much as much as machines, trains and cars but cutting all the forests was a start of course. Europe once was one huge forest, now most forests are gone and we expect south-American and Asian countries to stop with the de-foresting.

how long is 1 day to God?

1 Day to God is 24 normal hours like the rest of us.

Christian crazies believe the Earth was created in 7 literal days...about 6000 years ago.

Christians are like the kids in 5th grade who have been told for years that Santa doesn't exist, but refuse believe they have been duped.

That's a lie. Go away liar!

forget about what christians believe

How is a "God's day" 24 hours when, according to the story, there was light *before* God creates the sun and the moon.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
...
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years

The "lights" are created on day 3, yet there's light that shows up on day 1?

Also, the 24hr cycle only applies to earth relative to the sun.

But the wheel got it started.

Says who? And you say the Christians are crazy. :1orglaugh

This is undeniable if only in the fact that all matter on our planet traveled great distance from all directions to arrive here. Plus we are constantly traveling and spinning ourselves, who knows what where why who or how though.

or secrets hidden out in the open. who knows

The Aztecs, Egyptians, the Hopi Indians all had obsessions with Orion. And talked about stars that we wouldn't "discover" for centuries after them. Then there is the Mahabharata talking about wars in the sky and what not.

We will find out after you die pornographers.

"The Old Testament is a false history of the world. It should not be trusted" - Charles Darwin

Archaeology proves the man Jesus quoted on hell is 12 for 12 - http://www.isaiah666.com

"The tares are the children of Satan the father of lust. Bind the tares and burn them. Cast them into the everlasting fire" - Jesus

It says it in the BIBLE you HEATHEN!

Really? Explain how life comes from non-life. This can't be explained. Sometimes things combine to form new compounds, but life does not arise. Science cannot yet explain this.

And potter was right here:


Google "Theistic Evolution". Creation does not conflict with evolution at all.

You should read more before making ignorant statements. The original word used, that our English Bibles translate as "day", was "yom." Yom has three meanings: dusk to dawn, 24 hour our period, or an endless age of time.

From the context of the rest of the original language, it becomes apparent that "age of time" is the correct interpretation. The Bible also says that a day with God is as a thousand years with man. In other words, time is meaningless to God, and is NOT 24 hour "days".

actually there are quite a few scientific theories that make way more sense than anything thats written in the bible.

religion is a hoax to turn people into sheep and take their money. it plays with peoples fear and especially before reformation with peoples hope that they are not themselves responsible for their fate. it always better to hope for an afterlife in paradise when you are an enslaved peon than realizing that you are being fucked big time with no hope at all

I am pretty sure you will have some difficulty directing us to where in The Bible it ever says that.

hmmm, there has been religion longer than there has been money.

Can you point me to one that specifically addresses life coming from non-life? If so, you're the winner! On an atheist board, nobody was able to point me to such a theory.

Christopher Hitchens so eloquently makes great sense by critically thinking and pointing out stupid.

i am talking about organized religion, thats what this thread was about (the bible). not some neandertal people praying to tree gods

The Bible was written beginning in 1500BC. Coins were first minted for money in 700BC (800 years later). There goes that theory.

for christs sake (pun intended) let's not focus on the term money as in coins but also in goods, animals or whatever that priests demanded from their folks

which i might point out was something that made Jesus seriously upset with them. but i guess you know the story

:winkwink:

btw - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(b...the_first_cell

to me anything of that is way more probable than some god who decided to turn this lump of rocks into a livable planet

but since you "believe", you dont need any proof for your theory anyways. religion is convenient when you dont want to stress yourself

Good place for ideas

Read Books.

Could you dumb it down a bit?

Try the New Scientist

Could you dumb it down a bit more?

Try the Guardian

Could you dumb it down even more?

Try any newspaper.

Could you dumb it down right the way down ?

Try Paul Markham

I know more of the subject as will ever do ;-).
You think homo sapiens exist exactly 200 000 years and no single day longer or shorter just because some little news article tells you so.
Tomorrow there will be an other news article stating it is 195 000 years and you will defend that story. All you can do is repeat some news articles sir.
I know for a fact that homo sapiens exist for at least MILLION years.

And that civilizations have flourished and perished just like evolution which is a huge blow for you extremist Darwinist views that evolution is a never ending straight line up.
Ignoring the "out of place" artifacts which proof that Darwinism is a total hoax.

Just the idea that homo sapiens exist exactly 200 000 years it totally crazy in my eyes anyway. Since that article was written a while ago how long does homo sapiens exist exactly according to you sir?

The big step forward wasn't the wheel. It was the axle, or what ever they chose to use to fix it to a cart so it could spin.

The steam engine would of been useless without the discovery of metals and hot to smelt them.

My point is if you look at the information you see that there was no one thing that that made a real difference. They're all inter related. If there was one thing, it has to be the invention of writing, which relied on the invention of language. This made the inventions able to be shared.

This is the problem when some men decide to control the rest with a mythical being. They simply want control and money, the base of all religions and power.

Ban this person for saying this. :1orglaugh

And had the need and time to invent writing. See how it's all related?

When you're family is starving, you really stop caring about the rain forest and endangered species. If the advanced world want to save these things, they have to pay the undeveloped world to look after them and not destroy them.

i don't believe in god but i do believe in reincarnation
i went to a christian school since i was small until half way throw high school i carnt believe people can get away with making children speak to something that is not there
it is very wrong teaching children about religion, it should be done after 18yo in a non bias environment learning about all religion not just the ones followed by the parents

It is pretty amazing. What triggered that change is an interesting story. Though inventions people mentioned like wheels, axles, and roads were important, those all existed thousands of years ago. What happened around 150 years ago was industry.

Until then, most people worked feeding themselves, either farming crops or, in England, raising sheep. Craftsmen made things for trade in their shops, but most peple farmed, as they had for thousands of years. A guy noticed that farmers in England had little to do during the winter, and sometimes they were hungry during the winter months. His idea was that he'd put up money to buy raw wool, then pay the farmers to process the wool during the winter, when they had nothing better to do. That worked great - he sold the yarn at a nice profit and the farmers earned money in their off-season. More people started doing it and cottage industry was born.

He had invented two related things. First, he invested CAPITAL - he put up the money to buy the materials. Second, he HIRED people to do the work. Before that, craftsmen owned their own one man shop, maybe with an apprentice. Investing capital and hiring people made it possible to build factories, and invest in expensive machines to aid the work. (That's when the steam engine comes in. A one man shop could neither build a steam engine nor afford to buy one.)

Imagine if there were no datacenters, no hosting companies. Each webmaster had to buy their own server and learn how to run it before the could build their first web page. It's so much better when Brad can invest millions in Mojohost, hire server admins, and build racks and racks of servers protected by a $50,000 UPS system. Then you can just get hosting from him. He does that, of course, for the same reason the wool agents invested - to reap profit by providing a valuable service. More to the point, how many of us could ever build a car? We all have cars because Henry Ford invested CAPITAL to build a factory and HIRED people. Those are the twin inventions of the industrial revolution - capitalism and employment.

God didn't write the Bible for him to read. It was written by men for people to read. So you bet money they meant 24 hours, not 100 million years.

There's a lot of holes in the creationist debate. Ass-holes.