What if chickens love nothing more than being in big, fun mosh pits with all their mates rubbing against the lady chickens and chattering all day about the lastest barnyard fad?

Gee that is silly, I completely see your very logical point.

So it's okay for them to be killed for food as long as they're having fun before we do it? :1orglaugh

What frame of reference do the caged chickens have that makes them so unhappy?

You could be right, I haven't the slightest clue, just curious what they are basing their unhappiness on.

Just because you like having things rammed down your throat doesn't mean the ducks do.

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I loved foie gras before I knew more about it. Haven't touched it since. I make do with liverwurst when I crave it. As a result, I try to avoid learning too much about food or how it is made before it gets to me so that it doesn't fuck with my head.

You're absolutely right. You cannot ascribe human emotions and feelings onto non-human animals. I'm glad we agree now.

"I'm no vegetarian, but foie gras really is for cunts."

Yeah and for people with serious issues. Sad day when someone though this was o.k. to do in the first place.

Factory farmed beef is often fed grain that is bulked up with chicken shit.

Enjoy!

Look, unless you're a vegetarian you really have to STFU. Most things you eat on a day to day basis suffers EXACTLY as much. Yeah I know, you do buy that one organic happy farm chicken breast each week from the supermarket as though that changes the burger you had today, the sandwich from the deli you'll have tomorrow etc and the vast majority of what you eat that has been factory farmed.
Geese don't have a gag reflex, stop anthropomorphising, no one eats meat soley from free range animals from grassy farms that get back rubs and cable tv, most free range meat is just slightly less intensely farmed factory meat. Basically you're all as bad as foie gras eaters unless you don't eat meat at all. And you eat poorly farmed meat far more than foie gras eaters eat foie gras so settle down.

Organic and free range are marketing terms. Sure, they might be different depending on the producer or market, but for the most part there is no regulation over those terms. Words on a package that make consumers feel fuzzy inside.

Of course, this could be different outside of the United States.

http://www.earthlings.com

Watch this.

It's not too much different outside the US. The geese farm in the Bourdain video on the first page of this thread is about as free range as they get, eating foie gras from there would be less cruel than most things any of the complainers eat each week - FACT.

I think it's great that you justify it this way to yourself, in order to let your conscience allow you to eat it. Otherwise you'd just say you don't really care, but it's obvious that you do care, and need to justify it differently in order to continue.

That's how the Nazis felt about the Jews and how the whites used to treat the blacks.

Nice to see things have changed.

I don't see how foie gras is produced any differently to the liverwurst you eat. If you've ever heard a pig scream as it gets slaughtered (it sounds like a child being killed) you'd eat nothing but foie gras ever again.

I don't know either, so shutup vegan.

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A few hundred years ago people could do anything with blacks because blacks were considered animals, without "emotions and feelings". But these blacks were able to stand up for themselves and there were also white people who felt sorry for these blacks and stood up for them as well. Now you're arguing with people who are in favor of animal rights and it seems to be impossible to convince you that by eating foie gras you're contributing to animal suffering. You haven't learned a fucking thing from your own people's history and I see more intelligence and empathie in my cats than in you. Of course animals feel pain and fear just like you do.

Animals are the black Jews of today. Nature got totally out of balance and humans don't have natural enemies anymore, so we're overpopulating the planet and destroying it and we think we're superieur to everything else.

As for the arguments brought up in here:

1) It tastes great so it's ok - so if your ass tastes great it's ok for other people to eat it?

2) There is so much more suffering in the meat industry - yes but you have to start somewhere. When there's crap all over your garden do you not start cleaning it up because there's crap everywhere? I would just start somewhere and clean it up bit by bit.

Eating an animal is natural. Torturing it isn't. Give it a cruelty free live with a bit of comfort and kill it quickly. Please watch the movie at www.earthlings.com - it's not an anti-meat-eating movie but it will open your eyes.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPej...pMLi_18279.jpg

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Bergen...atedBodies.jpg

http://www.novivisezione.org/mostra/foto33.jpg

http://humanityy.com/uploads/2010/04/dissect.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HVBjsxCS-H...ed%2BAlive.jpg

http://vegankind.ir/upload/images/36...2290308107.jpg

hah, I ate the thickest piece of bacon I've ever had on the weekend, I'm just sayin' foie gras is no worse, and probably BETTER than what 95% of the people here eat (assuming 5% vegetarians). It's just a little less familiar to most people and therefore easier to demonise even though the eggs and bacon they had for breakfast was most likely more cruel to produce.

Funny thing is, the chefs at these restaurants that serve it - they could probably pan-fry some pet food grade liverwurst, dress it up, pass it off as foie gras and most of the customers wouldn't even know the difference.

It ain't that great, anyway. I'll take a slice of scrapple over some foie gras pâté any day.

Oh, Jesus Christ... Okay, now this thread is starting to reach insanity levels of irrationality.

White people fighting black slavery back then were considered irrational as well.

I don't need to justify anything in order to continue eating it. My conscience is perfectly good with eating foie gras -- was before this post and will be after.

Now we've got people comparing ducks to blacks and Jews. This thread has truly jumped the shark.

Promethean, to say the least. :winkwink:






* Witticism Cliff Notes for those that want to understand the humor more quickly: Prometheus gave fire to Mankind and for his Transgression Zeus chained him to a rock to spend his immortality having his liver eaten every day by an eagle, only to have the liver regenerate for the next day's feasting. Hence, geese, for the benefit they give to Mankind of tasting good, and inspiring their cultivation for consumption, must have their livers eaten every day, chained to an existence of stuffing, roasting and devouring into infinity.

Lololollolo

This could take a while, so half way through . . . .

What are your thoughts on lobster? And I am pretty sure you will find plenty of Hindu that don't appreciate the way people treat cows.

Except, as pointed out above, they don't gag.

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I was wondering what a battery chicken was, I guess it is caged. Have you been to Kauai by chance? They have a lot of free range chicken there. I can not imagine the mess it would be in London if you had chickens for everyone wandering the streets.

As far as force feeding the goose, why is it bad? It was born for one reason, to be slaughtered. You presume that being force fed must be terrible because as a human it would be. Thing is, it is a goose. Different animal.

Where do you propose these chickens roam?

Because they are standing in their own shit that literally burns their feet off, because they see no daylight, because they are fed in a way to make them fat, because their beaks are cut off to stop them fighting, etc etc

There have been huge campaigns, week long TV shows etc to stop battery chickens here. I guess you lot just have no idea what it is like and why it is so disgusting.

You should really go and educate yourself about it:

http://www.broodyhen.co.uk/ket/fowln...M/battery.html

It's as free range as you can get, so lobster is cool.

No, the cow is a religious symbol, and is sacred to Hindu. Nothing to do with disgusting farming techniques.


Are you joking? Do you really not know what battery chickens are?



Because force feeding is bad. In my book. Maybe you think it's OK, I don't.

I have, as I keep saying, no problem with it being slaughtered. I have an issue with it being treated like a piece of shit while it is alive

Yes I do. Why do you think they like living in cages and being force fed?


Do you honestly not know what free range means?

I think you're just trolling me...in case not, a free range chicken lives on a fucking farm. With trees and woodland, dust for it to scratch at and roll in, a natural life. It is then killed and I eat it.

Was not talking to you, or about it being free range. I brought it up because it is boiled alive, like the dogs and cats in China.

I have never heard them called battery chickens, never.

Unless it is a steak.


Why do you think a bird that has lived only in a cage knows any better; or would even survive on the outside.

You know, that is how they used to do it. Then people wanted chicken nuggets, and chicken sandwiches, and wings, tons of fucking wings. There were not enough little farms to keep up with the demand. And there never will be again . . . unless of course you don't mind paying 17.50 a pound for a whole chicken. Those packages of just breasts will be a lot more.

If your going to be a selfish un-empathetic animal abuser, at least own it. It's ridiculous to act like it's o.k. to abuse animals because it's gourmet. People wonder why there is slaves and mass man slaughter, serial killers, it's the same mind set you have on animals.

We where trained to think it's o.k. to abuse animals by corporations so they can save money by raising and treating animals like crap.

Week people like to hurt weaker things to make them feel like they are strong.

Disregard for animal cruelty is usually the first signs for psycho-paths and serial killers.

Do what you want, I just don't like the ignorance that somehow it's futile to have respect for animals.

I'll have the foie gras along side a veal steak, shark fin soup, and baby seal stuffed dumplings

So? Why are you anthropomorphising a lobster?

http://straightdope.com/columns/read...n-boiled-alive

I have no issue with eating a cat or a dog.

That's what they are called in Europe. Still, now you've seen the video and read about their feet rotting off because they stand in their own shit etc I am sure you will agree it's a pretty horrible life. Yes, free range is about twice as much money, but I cannot ever eat a non-free range animal or bird now.

Battery hens are constantly being released since the ban. My friend bought 6 only two weeks ago. They are happy as larry and behaving as a normal bird would.

It is nature. Reflex actions. What is hard wired into their heads. It's like saying a cat that is kept inside is OK because it has never been outside. Utter nonsense.

There were more than enough farms, just they realised they could make much more profit by battery farming.

There is a massive revolution over here about the industry, and it was made illegal, thankfully. I'm sure you guys will catch up when you learn about how disgusting it all is.

Yes, a free range organic bird will cost a lot more. It will also taste a whole lot nicer and you can be happy you are not supporting battery farming.

Have you seen Food, Inc?

the most satisfying part of this thread is that those who are against foie gras are the same subset of losers who'll go on to have miserable lives.

btw, I have veal last night. delicious!

a foie gras tasting menu????? how in the world did I miss that until now????
I'm all in!

the next time the neighbor's goose runs under your trailer, catch it and let me know. I'll have it shipped up to me and I'll show you how much I care.

And yet you're still a moron. Good one.

I don't think I could eat it whole.

I only like it when its seared and has a slightly firmer texture.

I have a friend that hunts anything that he can get a license for, love duck sausage

I would definitely try baby seal. I have a suspicion that full grown seal is too fishy.

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