Would Mastercard only processing mean that the site wasn't inspected like they normally are for CCBill approval?

I'm not asking sarcastically. I am asking because I don't know.

I was always under the impression that what they approved was gone over with a fine-toothed comb. Recently another thread was discussing a financial domination site that someone planned to use CCBill as a processor for. The screencap showed the girl holding money, and another site owner...DWB maybe?....commented that he'd had that idea kicked to the curb before by CCBill.

I think CCBill is going to do the right thing as well...its hard to move a giant sometimes but enough people can get it done....hopefully all we have to do is wake em up....

Kudos to DWB for shining a light on this

Because they know you're probably not going anywhere. Or are you?:winkwink:

Yea, it's a pain, but this is the sort of thing that puts a fire under my ass to move faster to have more options.


Yes, they flagged me several times in the past for showing the model being paid at the end of the shoot. They said it was prostitution, which was not allowed. In their world, models work for free. I wish that was true, but my argument was that our model release, and probably yours too, states "in considering for" in regards to them being paid for their work. They said it was a violation of Visa's rules. However, you will find Visa processing for EVERY "teens for cash" type site on the internet. Oh well. :upsidedow

The irony of it all is, those scenes (which are older with the money), I delete from Oron a few times a month, so CCbill is billing for those scenes anyway, only CCbill gets paid, Oron gets paid, but I get fucked on the very content that CCbill said violates their terms. :1orglaugh :thumbsup

As some of you may know...CC Bill replied to this situation over on XBiz. It ain't pretty folks:

"Really?

CCBill has always stood up against piracy and maintain high ethics in our business.

But our business is as a high-risk payment processor - that is what we do. And with that, we strictly adhere to all the same legal guidelines that you adhere to and we require our merchants using CCBill to adhere to the same guidelines.

As I have discussed with both Dominic and Peter of PornGuardian, we understand your concerns. If you believe a website using CCBill for processing is violating your copyrighted content, and they are not addressing your concerns, contact our CCBill DMCA agent of record directly, so that we can proceed to notify our Client and address this issue quickly and aggressively.

There is a direct line for your complaints and solid process for DMCA on the CCBill website at: http://www.ccbill.com/cs/dmca.html.

Gary
CCBill"

Fuck it, time to work only on Mainstream going forward. I had a record overall $ month in May 2012 with CCBill but the business as a whole isn't viable when the largest processor is openly processing for the biggest pirates. Don't get me wrong I'll leave my sites up. I have nice search engine ranks and they make money. But there's no sense in building anymore in this industry unless I'm prepared to be a pirate and steal content too.

I'm going to look into moving some of my servers too. I don't think I want to keep supporting CCBill if they do this. I went with them because I trusted them and thought they were a solid company. I wanted to support a good American company rather than go with a cheaper overseas host. Little did I know. :(

Again, not asking sarcastically...simply seeking knowledge...

is processing lolita beastiality within the legal guidelines that they adhere to?

ccbill is a fucking disgrace to this industry. stuck in the 1990s yet they process for shit like this. unreal. adult is dead, glad I saw the writing on the wall years ago and mainstream is now ~80% of my revenue

Time to send CCBill a few thousand DMCA notices and see if they still think this is a good idea.

I had my best month with CCBill ever last month but doing something like this basically cements the fact that the pay site industry is done for. I would be almost retarded to keep putting effort in promoting sponsors as an affiliate when the processor billing the transactions is at the same time billing for the largest pirate sites on the web. I feel even more sorry for the sponsors running pay sites. It's got to suck to pay 15% of each transaction to someone who is billing for the people who are responsible for decimating your business. Even worse is if they start scrubbing YOU harder to cover increased volume for Oron.

ccbill must collect 25%+ of transactions. on average they take 12% out of the checks I receive

fiddy orons ccbilled

Here is some 3rd party proof of piracy from Google.

Google DMCA Info for Oron.com
URLs Requested to be Removed 4,229

http://www.google.com/transparencyre...ains/oron.com/

congrats on the well deserved great month! What would you charge to share your cumulative form submission % for may?

I have no interest in dollar amounts, or rebills, or price points....my interest is join form submissions %

I'm only an affiliate. :) The record was due to rebills primarily. Sign ups weren't that great but good for the last few months. I started sending more hits and sign ups to sponsors which rebilled better and had some luck to finally get over a ceiling I was always hitting before where I couldn't grow. One of the sponsors I was sending joins to had less than a 10% initial rebill rate on first rebills. Dropping them was what helped a lot.

Maybe they just aren't that interested in joining your site? Possible?

wow...

Let's not change the subject.

Extremely disappointing to see this. Hope CCbill changes course asap.

contact merrick bank

hey CCBILL! what the fuck???

Listen when the banks and pseudo banks need liquidity....they get liquidity

It's as simple as that

to hell with your preconceived notions of business fairness and integrity.

Margin Calls not with standing someone better get some funds in this piece today or their asses is grasses.

But sir what you are suggesting will make people mad if they find out.....to hell with people finding out....you better worry about finding me some liquidity or you can worry about finding the unemployment line

holy shit, will someone shut this crazy bitch up

:2 cents:

:helpme

Duke goes for the juggler.

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Just got in touch with my contact at Visa and emailed Mastercard. :thumbsup

good work. fuck ccbill

anyone with ccbill only programs ought to have their secondary billers on stand by. If/when oron goes down like megaupload CCbill is going to be in a serious situation.

Piracy aside, how is it Oron can have piss sex, blood sex, beast sex, child sex, and incest on their site and still get billing? CCbill or any other biller would shut me down with a quickness if I (or anyone in this thread) had such content, and rightfully so as it violates their terms.

CCbill, you have terms for a reason, apply them.

I dont see how CCBill can consider this fight worth it.

as big as CCBill is to us VISA could drop them and never see any effect on their bottom line, so VISA would drop them in a heartbeat if they got heat to do so.....CCBill should have the common sense to drop oron and let this die. This fight isn't worth it Ron.

I've already moved my primary processing to Epoch for type-in traffic.
This news has now swayed me to also move my affiliate program from CCBill to Epoch! :disgust

you dont have the volume they do :winkwink:

in todays world its all about the benjamins

While I'm not a big fan of what I'm seeing in this thread, you might want to just hold up on deciding what you want to do with the affiliate program, for a variety of reasons.

You are 100% correct, but terms are terms.

Example, "lolita" is forbidden for all sites in CCbill's terms, not just for smaller accounts. So is beast sex, bloody sex, snuff, and so on.

Forget the piracy issue and DMCAs. If they just followed their own terms, oron would be canned. I've already sent someone at CCbill a list of lolita links along with pissing while having sex and some other nasty things they don't allow, so they are now well aware of what is going on there.

Any particular reason?
I posted a thread on here a while back suggesting that I was considering moving onto Epochstats. It's MPA3 powered and Epoch are clearly leading the way for processing now so I don't see what there is not to like by affiliates?
It seems like a win win situation for me.
I was possibly considering keeping the CCBill program too, but unless they pull the plug on this Oron shit I will be pulling the plug on CCBill!

Little off topic but oron got banned from Google?

Definitely not banned on google.co.uk

from what i know, there's 2 stages of approval, 1 done by ccbill and then 1 done for visa. the ccbill approval is not that hard to get through, and if you arent in the know about oron.. getting http://oron.com/ submitted to you. would not raise any flags. anyone would approve it no problem.

I use ccBill, so bump for some answers from them to some very serious allegations, and why is it taking so long for ccBill to get someone in here to address this? Are they too busy counting their revenue from Oron?


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ADG

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I love promoting BDSM.

I don't promote sites with Epoch though.

Or, to be more accurate, historically, I have not promoted them. If this cluster fuck doesn't resolve, that may change, but I rather doubt it.

From the perspective of someone who has been an affiliate for 8 years, and was an affiliate manager with the same company for almost 6 of those years, you have to see how it will impact your affiliate base. And your potential affiliate base. You don't want to be changing stuff up every day. If you do, you appear to be a flake sponsor, and you won't be trusted, even with what was trusted CCBill backing.

If you don't have tons of affiliates right now, that should be easy. Personally reach out to your top revenue producing affiliates and see what they say.