Zimmerman was concerned about beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer

[Just Alex]

There goes you race card kids. Sorry.

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) ? George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.

"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line."

The forum took place on Jan. 8, 2011, days after a video of the beating went viral on the Internet and then-Sanford Police Chief Brian Tooley was forced to retire. Tooley's department faced criticism for dragging its feet in arresting Justin Collison, the son of a police lieutenant.

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-comp...211229899.html

[Tom_PM]

No big deal, it never had to have a racial element anyway. The fact that he said he was following him because he matched a description of supposed burglars covers it pretty well.

There is however recent news of Zimmerman harassing a co worker with racist remarks as well. He's probably somewhere in the middle on the issue.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/geor...acist-remarks/

But I still think it's more likely that he just over reacted, or reacted in a way he thought was needed but it turned out it wasn't needed at all. He sure didnt' appear to be near death anyway.

[candyflip]

I spent 4 days recently in the hospital in Orlando and got a bunch of information, as this was pretty much all the main coverage on the news.

Here's another bit of info for you. Both he and his wife were mentors for young black youth. When the company they volunteered with closed up shop, they both continued mentoring the kids they had been mentoring plus a few others.

Anyone playing the race card is ignorant.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

No big deal, it never had to have a racial element anyway.

Riaaaaght. And them pigs fly!

[Tom_PM]

And theres also this person who says Zimmerman had serious anger issues, describing him as a Jekyl and Hyde type of personality.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...s-violent-past

I'm sure there's also some grandma's out there who knows him as a sweet boy. That's how it goes. People drag up shit when you're in the news.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Anyone playing the race card is ignorant.

You just insulted 99.5% of black population in the united states. And thats very racist.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Riaaaaght. And them pigs fly!

Hey, I've been arguing since the start that it didn't need to have a racial element whatsoever. The whole uproar was that the police decided to close the case and people were pissed. He says on the 911 call there've been burglaries by black men in the past and he was a black man. That's not what you call a racial motivation. It could just as easily have been a white redheaded man and there'd been burgalries by white redhead in the past, so he was following him. Neither is racist.

[eroticsexxx]

There is no doubt that some persons are pulling the race card in this situation, but anyone with a smidgen of common sense can see that something was amiss with how things were handled.

The issue for me was how the police department initially decided not to pursue an investigation in a scenario where an unarmed teen was shot by a neighborhood watch captain, especially when the very defense of SYG that the shooter claimed also could apply to the victim.

Completely removing accountability from the shooter for his actions when those very actions have led to a dead teen is unfair and highly questionable. It is quite logical and rational to gather all relevant evidence and to perform due diligence to ensure that justice is served on behalf of both the victim and the shooter.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Hey, I've been arguing since the start that it didn't need to have a racial element whatsoever. The whole uproar was that the police decided to close the case and people were pissed. He says on the 911 call there've been burglaries by black men in the past and he was a black man. That's not what you call a racial motivation. It could just as easily have been a white redheaded man and there'd been burgalries by white redhead in the past, so he was following him. Neither is racist.

Im not talking about you! Im talking about piople like brassmonkey who would write it this way:

The whole uproar was that the police decided to close the case of a BLACK kid and people were pissed.

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

There goes you race card kids. Sorry.



http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-comp...211229899.html

You seem to be the only person obsessed by race 90% of your online conversation is about it...

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

There goes you race card kids. Sorry.



http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-comp...211229899.html

i dont think he was worried about the beating he was lashing out at the police.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...losed-arrests/

this did confuse me

"I'd like to know what action the commission is taking in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension," Zimmerman said to the commission. "I'm not asking you to repeal his pension; I believe he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up in corruption in what happened in his department."

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

You seem to be the only person obsessed by race 90% of your online conversation is about it...

I can care less what race you are as long as you stop bitching about your failures being our fault.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i dont think he was worried about the beating he was lashing out at the police.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...losed-arrests/

this did confuse me

"I'd like to know what action the commission is taking in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension," Zimmerman said to the commission. "I'm not asking you to repeal his pension; I believe he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up in corruption in what happened in his department."

Whats so confusing, Jamal?

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i dont think he was worried about the beating he was lashing out at the police.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...losed-arrests/

this did confuse me

"I'd like to know what action the commission is taking in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension," Zimmerman said to the commission. "I'm not asking you to repeal his pension; I believe he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up in corruption in what happened in his department."

Being arrested for and being convicted for are two completely different things.

This is one bit of trivia I would expect a black man to be quite familiar with.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Being arrested for and being convicted for are two completely different things.

This is one bit of trivia I would expect a black man to be quite familiar with.

don't play stupid if you put your hands on a cop the charges don't go away. im sure it has nothing with his father being a retired judge.

alex

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Whats so confusing, Jamal?

Father's Day

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Father's Day

the other racist

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Father's Day

Oh shit

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by candyflip

This is one bit of trivia I would expect a black man to be quite familiar with.

Oh snap

[directfiesta]

OP has ' racist ' pretty much cornered .....

Now, let's askj ourselves one single simple question :

' if Trayvon would have been white , would it have gone down the same way ' ?



( PS: naturally, someone called Trayvon cannot be white, but that is beside the point ... )

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

OP has ' racist ' pretty much cornered .....

Now, let's askj ourselves one single simple question :

' if Trayvon would have been white , would it have gone down the same way ' ?



( PS: naturally, someone called Trayvon cannot be white, but that is beside the point ... )

Well lets see. If his neighborhood was burglarized 10 times this year and all of them boys were white, I would say yes. But then again, this probably would've never happened unless it was in Alaska. I guess I'm racist towards Alaskans.

[kane]

If you read the whole article it sounds more like Zimmerman is angry with the cops as a whole and not just this one incident. He goes on to explain how he was disgusted when he went on a ride along and the cop supposedly showed him his favorite place to hide and take a nap as well as explaining to him that he didn't carry a rifle with him because anything that would require him to use it would take a lot of paper work so he stays away from those things. He talks about the cops taking multiple lunches and also attending parties while on duty.

It looks like Zimmerman had more of an axe to grind than just this one case.

But that doesn't make nearly as good a headline.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by kane

If you read the whole article it sounds more like Zimmerman is angry with the cops as a whole and not just this one incident. He goes on to explain how he was disgusted when he went on a ride along and the cop supposedly showed him his favorite place to hide and take a nap as well as explaining to him that he didn't carry a rifle with him because anything that would require him to use it would take a lot of paper work so he stays away from those things. He talks about the cops taking multiple lunches and also attending parties while on duty.

It looks like Zimmerman had more of an axe to grind than just this one case.

But that doesn't make nearly as good a headline.

exactly!

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

exactly!

U still confused, Jamal?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

U still confused, Jamal?

nope its you that doesn't understand the article

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

No big deal, it never had to have a racial element anyway. The fact that he said he was following him because he matched a description of supposed burglars covers it pretty well.

There is however recent news of Zimmerman harassing a co worker with racist remarks as well. He's probably somewhere in the middle on the issue.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/geor...acist-remarks/

But I still think it's more likely that he just over reacted, or reacted in a way he thought was needed but it turned out it wasn't needed at all. He sure didnt' appear to be near death anyway.

thanx dude

Finally, the witness stated he had had enough. According to RawStory, he filed a report with HR, but Zimmerman was ?so persuasive and ingenuous in his testimony to the committee that he fooled not only the committee, but the witness said that [he] even began to doubt himself.?

[CyberHustler]

The race issue ain't with the Zim, the race issue is with a lot of his (and Trayvon's) blind supporters.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

The race issue ain't with the Zim, the race issue is with a lot of his (and Trayvon's) blind supporters.

yeah blind. some people want the truth and others want a reason to kill some white folkz. strength is in numbers.

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

The issue for me was how the police department initially decided not to pursue an investigation in a scenario where an unarmed teen was shot by a neighborhood watch captain, especially when the very defense of SYG that the shooter claimed also could apply to the victim.

Zimmerman doesn't need to invoke "Stand Your Ground" because he was being physically attacked, which is proven by the physical evidence. It was straight up self-defence. Treyvon, or more accurately the prosecution, is the one that needs to use it to defend Treyvon's attack on Zimmerman.

I personally can't defend that position. Being followed by some dude at night does not imho give me the right to kill them in self-defence, specially if the person has not shown a weapon or cornered me and demonstrated that they intend to do me harm.

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Completely removing accountability from the shooter for his actions when those very actions have led to a dead teen is unfair and highly questionable. It is quite logical and rational to gather all relevant evidence and to perform due diligence to ensure that justice is served on behalf of both the victim and the shooter.

Let's not go and remove Treyvon's accountability either.

If he hadn't gone back to confront Zimmerman and hadn't beaten him up he most likely wouldn't have gotten shot.

There's another thing nobody seems to want to mention. The fact that Zimmerman didn't have his gun out points to Treyvon attacking Zimmerman suddenly, not giving him the time to pull it out and try to make Treyvon stand down.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

Zimmerman doesn't need to invoke "Stand Your Ground" because he was being physically attacked, which is proven by the physical evidence. It was straight up self-defence. Treyvon, or more accurately the prosecution, is the one that needs to use it to defend Treyvon's attack on Zimmerman.

I personally can't defend that position. Being followed by some dude at night does not imho give me the right to kill them in self-defence, specially if the person has not shown a weapon or cornered me and demonstrated that they intend to do me harm.



Let's not go and remove Treyvon's accountability either.

If he hadn't gone back to confront Zimmerman and hadn't beaten him up he most likely wouldn't have gotten shot.

There's another thing nobody seems to want to mention. The fact that Zimmerman didn't have his gun out points to Treyvon attacking Zimmerman suddenly, not giving him the time to pull it out and try to make Treyvon stand down.

How do we know that Treyvon went back and confronted Zimmerman?

We don't.

What we know for sure is that when Zimmerman was on the phone with the police Treyvon ran from the scene. Zimmerman pursued him then when the dispatch person told him that he didn't need to do that he appeared to stop. He said he was going to go meet the police at an agreed upon location.

At some point after he hung up with dispatch he and Treyvon ended up in a confrontation. A fight broke out. Zimmerman appeared to be getting his ass kicked at he shot Treyvon.

How that confrontation came about nobody seems to know. Who followed who? Treyvon's girlfriend who apparently was on the phone with him just before the fight broke out says that Zimmerman chased Treyvon down and confronted him. That sounds a whole lot more plausible than the guy who was running from the scene changing his mind and going back to confront the guy who was looking at him.

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

yeah blind. some people want the truth and others want a reason to kill some white folkz. strength is in numbers.

Monkey

You do know what the population percentages are in the USA right?
In case you don't : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._United_States

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

Zimmerman doesn't need to invoke "Stand Your Ground" because he was being physically attacked, which is proven by the physical evidence. It was straight up self-defence. Treyvon, or more accurately the prosecution, is the one that needs to use it to defend Treyvon's attack on Zimmerman.

The SYG defense comes directly from Zimmerman's camp. Ask them why they are using it.

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

If he hadn't gone back to confront Zimmerman and hadn't beaten him up he most likely wouldn't have gotten shot.

There's another thing nobody seems to want to mention. The fact that Zimmerman didn't have his gun out points to Treyvon attacking Zimmerman suddenly, not giving him the time to pull it out and try to make Treyvon stand down.

Clearly you have not seen the map of where the confrontation occurred. Zimmerman did not stop pursuing Martin when asked.

Also, getting one's ass kicked when one is directly responsible for the confrontation taking place does not fall in line with self-defense. The accountability factor falls squarely on the living participant of the confrontation.

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by kane

How do we know that Treyvon went back and confronted Zimmerman?

We don't.

That's Zimmerman's version of the story.

Originally Posted by kane

How that confrontation came about nobody seems to know. Who followed who? Treyvon's girlfriend who apparently was on the phone with him just before the fight broke out says that Zimmerman chased Treyvon down and confronted him. That sounds a whole lot more plausible than the guy who was running from the scene changing his mind and going back to confront the guy who was looking at him.

Sure, I can speculate that Zimmerman was goose-stepping throwing sieg heils right and left with his gun out, found Treyvon hiding behind some bushes and Treyvon jumped him to defend himself.

But without proof that's all it is, speculation.

You can't prove that Treyvon didn't go back to confront Zimmerman, pissed off at having gotten scared while talking to his girl. If Treyvon was so scared, why didn't he call the police? He had a cell phone. Why didn't he run all the way home?

In the end Zimmerman's version of events is the one that will stand, and the fact that Treyvon was beating him up backs up his claim of self-defence.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

That's Zimmerman's version of the story.



Sure, I can speculate that Zimmerman was goose-stepping throwing sieg heils right and left with his gun out, found Treyvon hiding behind some bushes and Treyvon jumped him to defend himself.

But without proof that's all it is, speculation.

You can't prove that Treyvon didn't go back to confront Zimmerman, pissed off at having gotten scared while talking to his girl. If Treyvon was so scared, why didn't he call the police? He had a cell phone. Why didn't he run all the way home?

In the end Zimmerman's version of events is the one that will stand, and the fact that Treyvon was beating him up backs up his claim of self-defence.

The reality is that the only people that know the truth are Zimmerman and Treyvon and Treyvon isn't talking. Of course Zimmerman is going to frame the story in a context that makes him look as innocent as possible. He shot an unarmed person and is trying not to go to jail for the rest of his life.

In the end the jury will decide. As you said, without proof it is all speculation and we both can only speculate.

[garce]

Judging by the way you type you're either illiterate; or even more drunk than I am. You CANNOT possibly be typing this shit whilst sober...

Its always funnier in French...

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by kane

Of course Zimmerman is going to frame the story in a context that makes him look as innocent as possible. He shot an unarmed person that was beating him up and is trying not to go to jail for the rest of his life.

In the end the jury will decide. As you said, without proof it is all speculation and we both can only speculate.

Seems you forgot that one little detail

Unarmed does not mean not life-threatening. People get beaten up to death all the time.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

The race issue ain't with the Zim, the race issue is with a lot of his (and Trayvon's) blind supporters.

playing devils advocate here...

Didn't Martins parents create a flock of blind ollowers by releasing an old photo of Trayvon? If I die tomorrow my Mom isn't going to use a photo of me from when I was 23. I don't look like that anymore.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by bigluv

Monkey

You do know what the population percentages are in the USA right?
In case you don't : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._United_States

what did you not understand? united in battle means a better chance of winning

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the other racist

Why are you calling me a racist, boy?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

Seems you forgot that one little detail

Unarmed does not mean not life-threatening. People get beaten up to death all the time.

In my eye it all depends on how the fight started. If you chase someone down, confront them and start the fight then things don't go as you planned and you start getting your ass kicked it is pretty hard to plea self defense.

This is why it all comes to down to exactly what happened.

If Zimmerman pursued and confronted Treyvon and that led to the fight, Zimmerman might have a hard time defending himself.

If Treyvon sought out Zimmerman and attacked him it is a different story.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

If Treyvon was so scared, why didn't he call the police? He had a cell phone. Why didn't he run all the way home?

They were never taught to rationalize in the zoo.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

In my eye it all depends on how the fight started. If you chase someone down, confront them and start the fight then things don't go as you planned and you start getting your ass kicked it is pretty hard to plea self defense.

This is why it all comes to down to exactly what happened.

If Zimmerman pursued and confronted Treyvon and that led to the fight, Zimmerman might have a hard time defending himself.

If Treyvon sought out Zimmerman and attacked him it is a different story.

How do you know if he confronted at all or how he did it? Could've simply asked "are you from here? And where do you live?"
Don't forget, No_limit_Nigga went off on schoolbus driver before. I doubt the driver was profiling or following little No_limit_nig.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

How do you know if he confronted at all or how he did it? Could've simply asked "are you from here? And where do you live?"
Don't forget, No_limit_Nigga went off on schoolbus driver before. I doubt the driver was profiling or following little No_limit_nig.

I don't know if he confronted him or in the event that he did I don't know how he did it.

That is my point. Nobody knows how this all went down, but everyone is speculating.

As for going off. Zimmerman had a restraining order against him from an Ex (although it was later dropped) and he had been arrested for resisting arrest and battery against a cop.

It sounds like neither one of these guys were angels.