Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895324)

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895319)

. Our limited minds

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895298)

It probably takes about 30 seconds for anyone with a reading level > third grade to read all that I wrote up there. It's respectful to read what someone writes if you're going to engage in a discussion with them, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895319)

For the sake of this discussion, God = an intelligent First Cause. For context, here's Albert Einstein's thoughts again:

"I?m not an atheist, and I don?t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of those books but doesn?t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations.?

He renounced atheism because he never considered his denial of a personal God as a denial of God. He very much believed in a ?superior reasoning force,? a ?superior mind,? an ?illimitable superior spirit? and a ?mysterious force that moves the constellations.?

That's what we are referring to as "God" in this thread.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895324)

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895324)

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 18895329)

You're fueling a religious debate on a porn forum where most of the members don't want you around. To me, that's disrespectful.

I'm not reading your long and seemingly rambling posts because I don't give 2 shits about religion and there is nothing that you or anybody else can possible post that will change my mind.

I am however reading your shorter posts where I don't have to shift through as much bullshit.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895296)

Why does the universe follow very specific laws?

Originally Posted by Phillipmcd1 (Post 18895337)

Sure we don't know everything, that's the fun part discovering new things. Religion to me holds back human advancement, example read about Baghdad 800-1100 AD. I feel Religious people in general will say "God did it" to everything and stay ignorant to basic facts, and I was one of those people. A funny example would be Bill O'Reilly claiming that God creates the tides, not the gravitational pull from the moon & sun. If Science could explain every law that makes the planet work would you still hold your strong belief?

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895346)

If God exists or any higher power with an individual conscious, he is the most evil fuck that ever fucking existed. the shit he lets happen can't even be explained and most people would be doing 50 life sentences for. So either there is no God or God is really the fucking devil and that is your fucking hero.

I would rather just think he's a myth.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895348)

Really? Give me examples of things that make God evil.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895350)

African women having bayonets shoved up their snatches and babies pulled out of them and splatted against trees.

I thought i would start with something minor. Should I go on?

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895348)

Really? Give me examples of things that make God evil.

Originally Posted by Phillipmcd1 (Post 18895354)

Killing of every firstborn in Egypt seems kinda bad

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895351)

How do the actions of humans who have free will reflect on the evilness of God?

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895355)

We can move to the nuclear bombs being dropped on the japs and their skin peeling off. Not saying they didn't deserve it from out perspective but God being God should have stopped that shit before it even happened

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895355)

We can move to the nuclear bombs being dropped on the japs and their skin peeling off. Not saying they didn't deserve it from out perspective but God being God should have stopped that shit before it even happened and for that matter made the japs nicer people back when that shit started.

they are pretty nice now but they were shoving bayonets into chinks and pulling babies out, remember that...

I know, I know, that has nothing to do with God. He just watches this shit and giggles...

Again, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist, or at least not in the way it matters or is relevant again.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895361)

So you are using an example out of a book you believe to be a fairy tale? How about instead using modern examples from sources that YOU believe?

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895362)

No one has free will. Even without a God existing so you can toss that lame excuse right into the garbage can. Everyone acts because of some time of influence or situation. This is how they put starving people in jail, with that silly phrase "Free Will" it's delusion.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895367)

History is not a fairy tale. Just the concept that god was killing the kids instead of disease. Don't you think it is more humane that just disease took the kids. Do you really love that God you read about who wanted Adam to kill his fucking first born and who killed Egyptian babies?

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895365)

You are once again using illustrations of human behavior. How does that reflect on God?

It seems to me that you are saying God must be evil because he doesn't interfere with human free will. Would free will truly exist if God only allowed what was good and blocked what was not? Of course not. For true free will to exist, poor choices must be allowed to be made.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895370)

This post is a great example of why we're not discussing religion or the Bible in this thread, but rather, the existence of God. You have no idea what you're talking about - you are getting your Bible stories mixed up.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895373)

Yeah, I wasn't saying they were the same story, but I do know my bible stories and I'm sure I know them better than the religious freaks who claim to have read the bible. I actually had classes in it.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895361)

So you are using an example out of a book you believe to be a fairy tale? How about instead using modern examples from sources that YOU believe?

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895370)

This post is a great example of why we're not discussing religion or the Bible in this thread, but rather, the existence of God. You have no idea what you're talking about - you are getting your Bible stories mixed up.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895377)

If you actually believe God was killing babies and you still love him, well than HE bless you and you have a good time sucking each other off in heaven. The fact that you would think that and think an actual individual thinking God with his own conscious mind still exists, cause that what we are really talking about, is pretty fucking sad.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895375)

As have I, along with a library of more than 19,000 books that discuss it in great detail. I've spent literally thousands of hours studying it.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895380)

In this thread, where have I stated that I believe God killed babies?

As for God still existing, yes I do believe that. The existence of God is what we are discussing here.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895384)

So you don't believe God killed those babies in Egypt? The bible fucking lied?

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18895369)

"God" was created by those in power....you cant control millions with guns and force...

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895388)

What I believe about that story is of no relevance to this thread. Whether or not I love God is of no relevance. Nor is it relevant whether or not God is evil. This thread discusses whether or not God exists. The complexity of the universe is good evidence for the existence of God.

Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 18895395)

Ok lets take the amtrack test. We meet on some train tracks, you use jesus to survive, just stand there and pray. ill go with science, science tells me if I get the fuck off the track I'll be fine. After I find where your head rolled off to we can discuss the results.

Or do you not have faith in your god? Cash the fuckin check your mouth writes.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895399)

What a stupid, stupid post.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895399)

What a stupid, stupid post.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895393)

No, it's really not. It's silly. If you take infinity into account and the fact that we do exist it's just a random chance that applies to physics. We will also cease to exist one day and then probably one day IN INFINITY exist once again.

It's sad but it's really that simple.

Nothing about human existence proves their is a God, even slightly except we are so desperate to understand ourselves that we had to make one up back when our minds were that simple.

Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 18895395)

Ok lets take the amtrack test. We meet on some train tracks, you use jesus to survive, just stand there and pray. ill go with science, science tells me if I get the fuck off the track I'll be fine. After I find where your head rolled off to we can discuss the results.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895401)

If that ain't calling the kettle black LOL :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by OverdueNudes (Post 18895411)

Really? Monkey's typing Shakespeare? That's what you're going with? Holy shit. I can see clearly now, praise jebus.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18895407)

This post demonstrates your lack of knowledge of complexity. I'll give you one example:

Have you heard the story that states something along the lines of, "If you stuck a group of monkeys into a room and sat them down to peck away on typewriters, given enough time they'd write out the complete works of Shakespeare." ?

Mathematically, it has been proven that even for one of those monkeys to type out one SONNET he would need more years than there are atoms in the entire UNIVERSE. The universe, as dated by scientists, hasn't existed that long. And if that's not long enough for a monkey to type a sonnet, it's definitely not long enough for life to exist as we know it. That is why the likes of multiverse theory has arisen. Multiverse theory is much harder to swallow than an intelligent First Cause.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18895393)

We are so desperate to understand ourselves that we had to make one up back when our minds were that simple.