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Man, you are chock full of bull shit lol.

Just remember where you heard it first.

So let me get this straight.

They're going to try and prove that Zimmerman called the police while wanting to kill Treyvon in the what, thirty-forty seconds that are missing between the end of the call and the cops showing up?

This based on the fact that Zimmerman got out of his car while advised, not ordered to do that and him saying "these fucking guys always get away". Now you can spin it that he meant "black robbers" or that he meant simply "robbers".

As for getting out of the car, was it simply to keep an eye on Treyvon as he lost his line of sight when Treyvon ran or was it to shoot him? Mmmm.

And then there's the alleged attack.

Beyond reasonable doubt much?

Again, there's a lot of misinformation and facts that are not available and which I hope will see the light of day during the trial.

Another point eroticsexxx (can't edit post to add this).

Let's speculate (which is what we're all doing anyways) that Zimmerman HADN'T been armed and that Treyvon had, as has been alleged, attacked Zimmerman. Obviously this all hangs on if there's actual physical evidence of such attack and Treyvon being the alleged aggressor.

Would you then defend Treyvon with such fervor? What would have given Treyvon the right to allegedly attack Zimmerman?

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Of course not. They simply have to prove that his conduct led to the events that ended up in the killing of Martin. The mindset was there as proved by his comments to the dispatcher.

Doesn't matter if Martin was black. Zimmerman criminally profiled a teenager based on his dress and covered quite a bit of ground pursuing Martin. It makes one wonder what was Zimmerman was really attempting to do.

If you look at the ground covered by the two it is clear that it would inevitably end up in a conflict. This was a textbook case of overzealous behavior by someone who was not qualified to handle the matter. Zimmerman shouldn't have put himself in that situation in the first place.

The collective timeline will be analyzed along with the map of the neighborhood and the ground covered by both the victim and the accused. The story that will be revealed to the public will be interesting indeed. Unless Zimmerman take the easy way out and makes a plea deal.

Right now it probably would be the best thing for him. The prosecutor on the case doesn't give up once she makes up her mind.

Indeed. Such spirited debate.

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Martin would have had been justified in his use of force due to his initial avoidance of a potential conflict (running away). However, Zimmerman kept coming after him.

Martin had a reasonable fear that the person who was watching him and then left their vehicle to follow him on foot (at night throughout the neighborhood) would harm him.

If you saw someone watching you at night and began running in the opposite direction and found that they wouldn't stop following you, what would you eventually do?

Why can't we all get along?!! Someone had to say this LOL

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2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE


Subsection:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. ?The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

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And then you have a jury who will do whatever if feels like based on biased despite any written laws. Jurisprudence, right? :1orglaugh

nope because there will be always some kind of issue. :2 cents:

Seriously? He was in a gated community, not in some horrible third world ghetto. It wasn't as if the place was deserted, there were plenty of houses he could have ran to and rang for help.

Martin had a cellular phone, he could have called 911.

Err, not confront them?

Sure, let me run right at the potential murdering maniac, that's sure to make things better and safer for me. Confronting dangerous people head-on is always the safest thing to do.

And it wasn't some kind of four hour manhunt, this happened in the space of a few minutes.

According to Martin's girlfriend remember, he was on the phone with her when the confrontation happened. She claims it sounded like Martin got shoved, but impossible to know. I dont know how you start a fight though while you're holding a phone, do you know what I mean? There's enough questions in the case for it to be a case anyway.

I totally agree.

There should have been an investigation from the beginning so that facts can determine culpability if any.

That's actually what I find the most troubling, that it seems like the incident was dismissed way too easily by the cops that initially responded to it.

Was that because the physical evidence was overwhelmingly in favor of Zimmerman's version of the events, or because his ex-judge dad pulled some strings?

Any which way now we'll probably what's what. Just keep in mind that whatever you think happened might actually end up not being what really happened.