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Grapesoda 04-12-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18882222)
I'm just saying, I thought the law was for actual self-defense... not to follow people around waiting for them to do something about it so you can shoot them and scream "self-defense". Trayvon could have used the stand your ground law if he was strapped that day. He was probably standing his ground when he was putting the beats on the Zimmyman.

I have no information at all about any of this, I just asked a question

Grapesoda 04-12-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18882244)
You do realize all the incorrect facts you are spouting here, right? The teenager that was 4 inches taller and only 20lbs lighter was not screaming for help, Zimmerman was. The latino never called him a coon and was only responding the the officers question when he reported his race to them.

You really are a great example of the false story line that the media has been spreading being accepted by the public as fact.

:helpme

and there you have it... :2 cents:

DaddyHalbucks 04-12-2012 11:17 AM

When you have the top law enforcement officer in the country (Obama) taking sides before charges are even filed, it is a given that there won't be a fair trial.

Grapesoda 04-12-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18882299)
I don't follow this much outside of youtube videos, you got proof to that claim?



Yes he did



If he ain't say "fucking coon" then what did he say?




what?



:1orglaugh

hopefully you'll never have the opportunity to get a fair trial on youtube... just keep on LOL :2 cents:

eroticsexxx 04-12-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 18882542)
and there you have it... :2 cents:

All of that was refuted by my response above.

Grapesoda 04-12-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18882544)
When you have the top law enforcement officer in the country (Obama) taking sides before charges are even filed, it is a given that there won't be a fair trial.

yes he has weighed in a few things VERY inappropriately

Sarah_Jayne 04-12-2012 11:22 AM

Innocent of not shooting somebody he admitted to shooting? That is what it comes down to for me.

The real thing on trial will be the 'stand your ground' law and when exactly the person you are pointing a gun at can stand their ground. In this case, the kid was killed but what if he had fought back against the guy with a gun and hurt him. Who was standing whose ground?

_Richard_ 04-12-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 18882372)
Can someone direct me to where he said "COON" like Cyberhustler is suggesting?

1.50

8char

eroticsexxx 04-12-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18882443)
Look, he shot the kid, right? Was his life in danger when he pulled the trigger. That is the real question.

You say yes, but then the prosecutor will then put forward that as an armed man, he put his own life in danger.

He attempted to pursue an an unarmed teen, got into a scuffle with said teen (big surprise) and then had to use his gun to get out of the mess that he created by being a wannabe neighbourhood cop. Then, on top of all that he is putting the "stand your ground" law in jeopardy with this feeble attempt to maintain his freedom.

How in good faith can any legal gun owning citizen in FL support that?

Anyway, nevermind...

Shotsie 04-12-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18882544)
When you have the top law enforcement officer in the country (Obama) taking sides before charges are even filed, it is a given that there won't be a fair trial.

Yeah, that was pretty reckless on his part, he should have kept his mouth shut instead of making an ambiguous statement like that. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon, what is that supposed to mean? If he had a point, it eluded me.

Fetish Gimp 04-12-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 18882430)
Irrelevant to the primary element of the case

But your previously stated that Zimmerman was in a "vigilante mode" when getting out of his car. This dents that theory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 18882430)
Zimmerman identified Martin twice as black. Both within less than a minute.

http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Ge...n-911-Call.mp3

By 1:09, Zimmerman definitively labels Martin as black

Because the police dispatcher specifically asked him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimmerman tape 0m25s
"Okay, and this guy is he white, black or hispanic?"
"He looks black"

Then at 1m4s he confirms that the guy, which he previously said "looks black" is indeed black.

What was he supposed to say, "his complexion appears to be dark" oops he used the word "dark", racist hang him.

As I said before, I'd rather wait to see the whole facts of the case instead of making an opinion based on what the media wants to sell.

Freaky_Akula 04-12-2012 12:13 PM

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

porno jew 04-12-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18882609)
If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon, what is that supposed to mean? If he had a point, it eluded me.

it means he locked up some voting blocks.

GFED 04-12-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra (Post 18882492)
Its amazing a black boy can bash someone and not have a mark on him. In fact someone of Trayvons complexion would have very noticeable marks and bruising.

Yea, sucker punching someone in the nose then repeatedly smashing their skull in the ground would give me cuts and bruises too. You're a fucking retard.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

brassmonkey 04-12-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18882299)
I don't follow this much outside of youtube videos, you got proof to that claim?



Yes he did



If he ain't say "fucking coon" then what did he say?




what?



:1orglaugh

he did say fucking coons and it sounds like he was running trying to keep up with him.

Young 04-12-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18882154)
none of the things you mentioned alters the law though ?

Victim was black.
Shooter was latino
Victim was crying.
Shooter called him names.
Shooter warned not to follow.

The law that will be ultimately used in his defense doesn't have any stipulations that match the criteria.

example.. it doesn't say " but you cant shoot if the suspect is black" or "you can't shoot if suspect is crying"

the law is obviously vague, it should be changed. The law should not be ignored simply because of public opinion.

It reminds me of when they charge children as adults. It is the most ridiculous thing ever. It is like trying a cat as a dog because cat penalties are fucked up..

You're thinking way too much like a programmer. The law is not as black and white as you think.

Everything you named above is an aggravating factor and must be considered. And anything that Treyvon did to make Goerge think his life was in danger would be mitigating - resulting in a lesser charge like manslaughter - or enough to get him completely off.

If it was as Easy as you make it out to be then we mind as well throw out the jury system.

CyberHustler 04-12-2012 12:42 PM

This thread did prove one thing to me... A LOT of people on both sides of the fence are dumb as fuck... but the Zimmymans side of the fence is scarily dumb. Ima just stay up here on top of the fence smokin and :1orglaugh Like I said earlier, if the man is innocent so be it, he just better hope THEY can't PROVE otherwise. I don't win anything in this trial but sig views.

Tom_PM 04-12-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18882476)
I believe that you have to be black to actually be able to hear that.




I have neither seen or heard anything that has ever stated that Zimmerman was on top Martin at any time. Yet I have seen and heard multiple instances that state the opposite.

Hmmmmmm.

There was a show on broadcast, so ABC, CBS, NBC or FOX, where the reporter (a black female if anyone knows what channel it was) was on the sidewalk and showing aerial views of the townhome complex. They reported statements from one witness who said he thought martin was on top and yelling for help. And another witness who stated Zimmerman was on top, the gunshot went off, and Zimmerman got up "very quickly". The implication was that he was not hurt and got up really fast.

Is it true that Martins body was found face down with his hands beneath his body and it was 3 shots? I had thought it was 1 shot, and had assumed it was in the front, but hearing this on tv made me wonder.

brassmonkey 04-12-2012 01:21 PM

listen to 1:52-1:53 of the 911 tape

JFK 04-12-2012 01:24 PM

100.........innocent questions :Graucho

Kenny B! 04-12-2012 01:27 PM

I am not reading the whole thread, my 2 cents... He shot an unarmed kid, he should go to jail, period.

crockett 04-12-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18881939)
92% of blacks thinks he is guilty. That should tell you something.

Yea likely the same percentage probably thought OJ was really innocent. Yet they only rioted over the white Police officers getting off.

brassmonkey 04-12-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18882917)
Yea likely the same percentage probably thought OJ was really innocent. Yet they only rioted over the white Police officers getting off.

there was no proof on OJ if there was guess he would be a convicted murderer. there is no doubt zimmerman pulled the trigger. :2 cents: if he offed his ex wife and her boy toy is a mystery.

Tom_PM 04-12-2012 01:43 PM

Robert Zimmermans (father) statement from mid March:

"The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,? Robert Zimmerman wrote. ?When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.?

Going to be hard to explain that isn't it?

Grapesoda 04-12-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18882766)



He's going to walk because the cops found enough injuries NOT to book him as these same cops will testify in court saying so. Second, Florida is a red state as this trial will be used to drum up black people saying stupid reverse racism things during an election year for a black president. Finally, he will need an overwhelmingly majority to be found guilty. So if there is one Latino or white person on the jury, he'll walk.

that's interesting

Tom_PM 04-12-2012 02:27 PM

The police chief and prosecutor who didnt charge him.. one retired, the other recused himself. Isn't that right? If there was NO evidence to charge him with anything, you'd think it'd be a manslaughter/accidental death charge at worst. But it's second degree murder charge.

Also there were initial stories about there having been a meeting where the lead detective pushed for an arrest but was overruled. I think that was disputed by the guy who recused himself though. He called it an outright lie.

On the "not guilty" side, his brother says zimmermans nose looks swollen in the video, also a witness said she saw george get up after the shooting and hold his head in what she called the "I just did something wrong" position, but could corroborate that his head was fucked up. The swollen nose could corroborate the police report that he had a broken nose.. on the flip side of THAT though, there was no blood on zimmermans front side that could be seen. I got smashed in the nose once and shot a fountain of blood in .0002 seconds, staining the entire front of my shirt and pants before I could even grab it and tilt my head back.

Pretty sure it's safe to say that this thing wasn't handled correctly. Too many questions that have nothing to do with a media circus, or a race rally.

Just Alex 04-12-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18882927)
there was no proof on OJ if there was guess he would be a convicted murderer. there is no doubt zimmerman pulled the trigger. :2 cents: if he offed his ex wife and her boy toy is a mystery.

You have solid proof it didn't go off by itself or that your boy Traylon was reaching for it?
Shut the fuck up, and go do some work.

smutnut 04-12-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 18882582)
You say yes, but then the prosecutor will then put forward that as an armed man, he put his own life in danger.

He attempted to pursue an an unarmed teen, got into a scuffle with said teen (big surprise) and then had to use his gun to get out of the mess that he created by being a wannabe neighbourhood cop. Then, on top of all that he is putting the "stand your ground" law in jeopardy with this feeble attempt to maintain his freedom.

How in good faith can any legal gun owning citizen in FL support that?

Anyway, nevermind...

I guess I'm trying to not see the racial element. I'm sick of it from both both ends (black and white), but it's always there

brassmonkey 04-12-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18883086)
You have solid proof it didn't go off by itself or that your boy Traylon was reaching for it?
Shut the fuck up, and go do some work.

he admitted shooting the weapon a hole. im done talk to yourself now

tonyparra 04-12-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED (Post 18882700)
Yea, sucker punching someone in the nose then repeatedly smashing their skull in the ground would give me cuts and bruises too. You're a fucking retard.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Omg KID stop ok? You are looking like a dumb ass to everyone no matter what they believe about the case. The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. All the evidence needs to be heard. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. I wouldnt be suprised if Martins punch never even connected and Zimmerman fell backwards and bust his head. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY. Of course we only have one side of the story. I think you watch too much power rangers, or some shit. I guess cus he was a tall black kid he was capable of super human feats.

Just Alex 04-12-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18883104)
he admitted shooting the weapon a hole. im done talk to yourself now

In a struggle, dipshit.. Ever watched Law and Order. Oh wait, BET doesn't have any cop shows.

smutnut 04-12-2012 03:10 PM

Guilty until you can prove yourself innocent is the PUBLIC FORUM LAW

Rochard 04-12-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 18882027)
the only information you have is what the press and brothers are saying... that is a long way from FACTS. unless you were there or they pull up video you have no idea what happened. if he's guilty, fuck him, but if he's not..????

I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

L-Pink 04-12-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18882766)

He's going to walk because the cops found enough injuries NOT to book him as these same cops will testify in court saying so. Second, Florida is a red state as this trial will be used to drum up black people saying stupid reverse racism things during an election year for a black president. Finally, he will need an overwhelmingly majority to be found guilty. So if there is one Latino or white person on the jury, he'll walk.

Interesting thoughts.

.

GFED 04-12-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra (Post 18883116)
Omg KID stop ok? You are looking like a dumb ass to everyone no matter what they believe about the case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyparra (Post 18883116)
The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You've gone full retard! I can't stop laughing at you!

smutnut 04-12-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18883123)
I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

There you go - YAHOO. Hang that fucking dude for sure LOL :1orglaugh Fuck the trial :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

DeanCapture 04-12-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18883123)
I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

I find so many contradictory "facts" that I have yet to form an opinion.

I was talking to a friend yesterday on the phone and this case came up and he told me that he thought Zimmerman was innocent. That this was clearly an act of self defense. I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he said that he saw an interview on the news with Zimmerman's brother and his brother said that it was self defense. I asked him what news program this was and he said Fox News :1orglaugh

I tried to explain to him that none of the news programs deliver the news without some kind of slant. It's just impossible to get the true facts these days by watching a news program IMO.

Just Alex 04-12-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18883123)
I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

I just read on HIp Hop Star that there were 5 white guys chasing little 6'3" Tyrone and kicked the crap out of him before Zim finished him off with Ar-15.

CyberHustler 04-12-2012 03:30 PM


smutnut 04-12-2012 03:34 PM

Is he celebrating or sympathizing? I love when these fuckers crawl out of the cracks in their walls when they can get some free PR you would have to pay millions for. I would love to taste some of that zillion dollar a bottle champagne. I am so sure he is concerned he could have been shot in his mansion by the ocean or his penthouse skyscraper LOL:1orglaugh


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