If Zimmerman is found innocent, protest marches will be held and riots will break out.

If Zimmerman is found guilty, victory marches will be held and riots will break out.

It's a good time to own a window repair company in Florida.

I honestly don't think so. There can always be spotty incidents, but true of every headline case. The case will be unnaturally long and drawn out, like all headline cases. Every detail will be drilled down until we're sick of it.

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its time? ok release him

Animals and monkeys do what animals and monkeys do. I hate to sound racist, but I have defended counter culture for far too long. I don't really give a shit any longer. They never did anything for me. :mad:

You do realize all the incorrect facts you are spouting here, right? The teenager that was 4 inches taller and only 20lbs lighter was not screaming for help, Zimmerman was. The latino never called him a coon and was only responding the the officers question when he reported his race to them.

You really are a great example of the false story line that the media has been spreading being accepted by the public as fact.

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Provocation and intent to pursue and confront are key in this case. He didn't have any authority to pursue or even stop Martin, so he cannot turn around and use a defense for a situation that he escalated.

If Zimerman attempts to use the stand your ground defense, it will crumble. All that Martin's lawyers have to do is present a likewise argument involving an unarmed teen who initially ran away from the confrontation. They could argue that Martin also felt in fear of his life when an armed, unknown civilian person began to pursue him.

There is nothing wrong (in my opinion) with the stand your ground law, but to apply it legally in this case will backfire for Zimmerman.

he shot and killed an unarmed kid...fuck him

Why do you say the things you say are facts? Last I checked, the voice analysis was not complete yet, therefore it's unknown who was yelling for help, and what word he said on the phone call. I could have missed it though, is there an FBI report back yet? Or just more opinions?

Really all they have to do is get a BLACK JURY. I mean get real, right? OJ cut his white bitches throat and the negroes gave him a pass. Life is just such a funny game :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Size is irrelevant in this instance. Zimmerman escalated the scenario and will face dire consequences for pursuing, knowing that he was armed.

The courts will have to confirm this because there are experts on both sides who state that it was one or the other.

Also, even if Martin was "winning" the fight, the "stand your ground" defense doesn't work for Zimmerman as he was the one who escalated the situation and then decided to use his weapon to finish the situation.


Irrelevant. Zimmerman is not being charged with a hate crime, so whatever he said does not really matter at this point.

Are you certain of your stance? Have you legally analysed the case from the 911 tapes and avoided the opposite side of the media blitz?

I don't follow this much outside of youtube videos, you got proof to that claim?

Yes he did



If he ain't say "fucking coon" then what did he say?


what?

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Now OJ is in a Vegas prison where he belongs. He was never black anyway, but just to prove a point. He kind of looked black. LOL. That fucking psycho finally got what was coming to him and so will this asshole sooner or later cause that is the nature of the best beast

Will never happen. Zimmerman will be judged by a jury of his peers and his lawyers will fight tooth and nail to get a sympathetic jury.

Irrelevant. What does this have to do with the case at hand?

Who is judged by their peers. You would have to use the incarcerated if you want peers LOL:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Seriously, you should try to make even a TINY effort to find out what's going on prior to making judgement.... even just a little teeny bit, or it makes your opinion seem silly

There was only one gunshot and no coup de grâce.

George Zimmerman had not deluged the local police with 46 paranoid 911 calls in one year, but 46 calls over a period of eight years, which isn?t unreasonable for a community watch volunteer. The media had either lied about how often he called, or purposefully compressed the timeline.

Zimmerman didn?t know Martin?s race when he made the call, and that race didn?t play a roll in any of the 911 calls the local police had on file.

George Zimmerman wasn?t the 240-plus pound bruiser in the five-year-old picture the media used as much as possible, but was listed at a much smaller 170 pounds by none other than the New York Times. That?s a nominal 20 pounds heavier than a teen that stood four inches over him.

Two eyewitnesses placed Martin on top of Zimmerman as the aggressor, and that at least one of them claims it was Zimmerman crying for help.

ABC News attempted to claim police surveillance video disproved Zimmerman?s claim of being injured in what may have been a purposeful deception. The very same news organization was forced to later admit the presence of two lacerations on the back of George Zimmerman?s skull consistent with his claim of self-defense. In the end, details of the beating Zimmerman suffered at Trayvon Martin?s hands were only given a brief mention in the local news.

NBC News was forced to fire a senior producer for selectively editing audio of Zimmerman?s 911 call in a deliberate effort to make him sound racist.

On the night he took Trayvon Martin?s life, George Zimmerman willingly consented to take a voice stress analyzer test, a kind of lie detector test used by the Sanford police. He passed it.


Don't believe these things? Look them up. I'm not saying that he is innocent by reason of self-defense, or that he is guilty, but you should probably be better informed of the facts, that's all I'm saying.



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Can someone direct me to where he said "COON" like Cyberhustler is suggesting?

Other witnesses, I'm surprised you didn't know, place Zimmerman on top and say Martin was crying for help.

That's not fact on either side, so you can't say someone else has their facts wrong.

First off, the original 911 tapes that were available were edited.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2395089/

Second, the media as always have sensationalized the whole affair. The edited 911 calls are proof of this. The little information that is available is contradictory and up to interpretation.

The whole thing rests on whatever physical evidence exists of the alleged attack. The EMT's report on Zimmerman's injuries, stains on the back of his shirt/pants.

If there's no evidence that Zimmerman was attacked then yeah, he's gonna have a hell of a time getting away from manslaughter. Lack of evidence of an attack would destroy eyewitness testimony claiming that Treyvon was beating up Zimmerman.

If there's evidence that Zimmerman was attacked by Treyvon then he will have a good argument for self-defense. It would corroborate eyewitness testimony claiming Zimmernan defended himself.

On the other hand, if Zimmerman did attack Treyvon there should be evidence of it in his clothes, grass/dirt on his back. Again, physical evidence is needed.

That Zimmerman might have incited the attack is up to debate, and that's now up to the judge.

Another question is, why wasn't Zimmerman arrested the night of the shooting? Was it because the physical evidence of the attack was so overwhelming that the cops felt arresting him wasn't necessary, or because there was a conspiracy to let this incident slide?

Time will tell.

Why is this a race issue? The guy who shot him wasn't even white

Irrelevant to the primary element of the case

False.

Zimmerman identified Martin twice as black. Both within less than a minute.

Size is irrelevant. Zimmerman set in motion the chain of events that led to Martin's death. The responsibility will fall squarely in his hands, even as far as provoking an attack

Again, even if Martin was the aggressor, as an armed civilian Zimmerman was the element that set the motion of events forward that led to his dangerous conduct.

There would have been no shooting if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle. The 911 call will show that he escalated the situation

Irrelevant. The court will know for certain if there were any injuries and even if there was, Zimmerman's actions led to the conflict.

Irrelevant. The full tape is here:

http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Ge...n-911-Call.mp3

By 1:09, Zimmerman definitively labels Martin as black

A voice stress analyzer test does not hold up in a court of law and is not definitive proof of innocence in the least

Look, he shot the kid, right? Was his life in danger when he pulled the trigger. That is the real question. Black juries will say no; White juries will say yes. Neither need any actual facts. Welcome to America

:2 cents::2 cents: thank you.

:2 cents::2 cents: spot on.

My point was about the media, not the case itself.... and like I ALSO pointed out in my post, I have no idea if he is guilty or not. I'm simply showing how the "news" media has been attempting to paint a story that, in some cases, has been absolutely false and slanted to make the events appear different than they were. In the case of the NBC edited 911 tape, and the pictures chosen of the two subjects, as well as ABC saying that the video "proved" something, (which was then shown to be false), the media's actions have been very deceptive.


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I feel Murder 2 will be impossible to prove. Manslaughter was the appropriate charge. Im amazed at the incompetence of the state of Florida prosecutors and their state justice system. I feel sorry for his very respectable parents.

I believe that you have to be black to actually be able to hear that.


I have neither seen or heard anything that has ever stated that Zimmerman was on top Martin at any time. Yet I have seen and heard multiple instances that state the opposite.

Hmmmmmm.

No doubt, right? You know my best friends since I have moved to Los Angeles all have some type of color. How can you not be friends with the mix in LA? I just can't get by this thing, but in THE PALE FACE DEFENSE, I have heard some idiot shit from people of color in race relations. Just saying

You are speaking about a small segment that was edited.

I am speaking in regards to the 4 minute tape of the incident. Here it is:

http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Ge...n-911-Call.mp3

My information comes from full interviews with Zimmerman's lawyers and his two friends and the tapes - all of them.

False. The injuries are not that important to the prosecutor as the elements of a struggle already have been established.

What is important in second degree murder cases is proving that the charged person exhibited dangerous conduct that led to the death of the victim. In regards to the FULL 911 call, there is more than enough evidence that Zimmerman decided to take matters into his own hands based on his knowledge of the past burglaries in his neighbourhood by blacks.

He exemplified someone who was emotionally charged and went after an innocent civilian, who in his civilian opinion fit the description of a burglar, even after being advised not to. Without his pursuit and escalation of the situation, the killing of an innocent teenager would not have occurred. (And yes he was innocent in the scenario of walking down the street minding his own business. He even ran away from Zimmerman initially)

That argument will fail because the prosecutor will assert that Zimmerman provoked the situation by leaving his vehicle

He provoked the attack by leaving his vehicle based on a flawed instance of profiling.

That remains to be seen.

Its amazing a black boy can bash someone and not have a mark on him. In fact someone of Trayvons complexion would have very noticeable marks and bruising. You are correct all the evidence needs to be heard, but his parents should not have to go to protest and rallys to get that evidence looked at.

this is so FUCKED UP! The guy should have been able to defend himself, but did he really have to kill a kid? I'm just asking...

There are situations where this might be justified and the black community should keep their nose out of this unless things get really stupid

I have no information at all about any of this, I just asked a question

and there you have it... :2 cents:

When you have the top law enforcement officer in the country (Obama) taking sides before charges are even filed, it is a given that there won't be a fair trial.

hopefully you'll never have the opportunity to get a fair trial on youtube... just keep on LOL :2 cents:

All of that was refuted by my response above.

yes he has weighed in a few things VERY inappropriately

Innocent of not shooting somebody he admitted to shooting? That is what it comes down to for me.

The real thing on trial will be the 'stand your ground' law and when exactly the person you are pointing a gun at can stand their ground. In this case, the kid was killed but what if he had fought back against the guy with a gun and hurt him. Who was standing whose ground?

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You say yes, but then the prosecutor will then put forward that as an armed man, he put his own life in danger.

He attempted to pursue an an unarmed teen, got into a scuffle with said teen (big surprise) and then had to use his gun to get out of the mess that he created by being a wannabe neighbourhood cop. Then, on top of all that he is putting the "stand your ground" law in jeopardy with this feeble attempt to maintain his freedom.

How in good faith can any legal gun owning citizen in FL support that?

Anyway, nevermind...

Yeah, that was pretty reckless on his part, he should have kept his mouth shut instead of making an ambiguous statement like that. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon, what is that supposed to mean? If he had a point, it eluded me.

But your previously stated that Zimmerman was in a "vigilante mode" when getting out of his car. This dents that theory.

Because the police dispatcher specifically asked him.

Then at 1m4s he confirms that the guy, which he previously said "looks black" is indeed black.

What was he supposed to say, "his complexion appears to be dark" oops he used the word "dark", racist hang him.

As I said before, I'd rather wait to see the whole facts of the case instead of making an opinion based on what the media wants to sell.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

it means he locked up some voting blocks.

Yea, sucker punching someone in the nose then repeatedly smashing their skull in the ground would give me cuts and bruises too. You're a fucking retard.

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he did say fucking coons and it sounds like he was running trying to keep up with him.

You're thinking way too much like a programmer. The law is not as black and white as you think.

Everything you named above is an aggravating factor and must be considered. And anything that Treyvon did to make Goerge think his life was in danger would be mitigating - resulting in a lesser charge like manslaughter - or enough to get him completely off.

If it was as Easy as you make it out to be then we mind as well throw out the jury system.

There was a show on broadcast, so ABC, CBS, NBC or FOX, where the reporter (a black female if anyone knows what channel it was) was on the sidewalk and showing aerial views of the townhome complex. They reported statements from one witness who said he thought martin was on top and yelling for help. And another witness who stated Zimmerman was on top, the gunshot went off, and Zimmerman got up "very quickly". The implication was that he was not hurt and got up really fast.

Is it true that Martins body was found face down with his hands beneath his body and it was 3 shots? I had thought it was 1 shot, and had assumed it was in the front, but hearing this on tv made me wonder.

listen to 1:52-1:53 of the 911 tape

100.........innocent questions :Graucho