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Old 04-11-2012, 05:35 PM   #51
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Why do countries inferior to our Great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA have universal health care, but we can't figure out a way to do it? Are we really just vultures? I'm starting to think this country is just a whore house for immigrants and refugees. No joke.
ask the woman i heard on the radio yesterday who has been denied treatments for her cancer by the largest province in Canada - Ontario. even though that treatment is available in two other Canadian provinces and the US. be careful what you wish for - when the government controls your healthcare they can actually decide who lives and dies.

not saying the US has it right but neither does Canada.
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ask the woman i heard on the radio yesterday who has been denied treatments for her cancer by the largest province in Canada - Ontario. even though that treatment is available in two other Canadian provinces and the US. be careful what you wish for - when the government controls your healthcare they can actually decide who lives and dies.

not saying the US has it right but neither does Canada.
Just because she said it on the radio, doesn't make it true. Do you believe everything posted or forwarded on Facebook by conservatives, liberals, and the religious? Or by forwarded emails? Before I'd believe her story, I'd need some type of proof or research.
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ask the woman i heard on the radio yesterday who has been denied treatments for her cancer by the largest province in Canada - Ontario. even though that treatment is available in two other Canadian provinces and the US. be careful what you wish for - when the government controls your healthcare they can actually decide who lives and dies.

not saying the US has it right but neither does Canada.
Yeah, I would like to have a LOT OF ACTUAL DETAILED INFO ON THIS CASE cause it sounds a lot like another anti obamacare scare. I have yet to hear of anyone dying from cancer in any foreign country because of lack of healthcare. Stories yes, but actual persons with detailed stats that you can look up, No! Never seen or talked to one in my life.
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And you're thinking is Romney is better?
I did not say that. Romney would at least be constrained by trying to get a second term. I think Obama will win. I have to find someone to vote for, won't be either of them.
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I did not say that. Romney would at least be constrained by trying to get a second term. I think Obama will win. I have to find someone to vote for, won't be either of them.
No one is taking these elections seriously cause the Republicans are a lost cause, but maybe next four years some legendary Reagan type figure will emerge and give those vicious blood sucking vultures another boost for their party
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ask the woman i heard on the radio yesterday who has been denied treatments for her cancer by the largest province in Canada - Ontario. even though that treatment is available in two other Canadian provinces and the US. be careful what you wish for - when the government controls your healthcare they can actually decide who lives and dies.

not saying the US has it right but neither does Canada.
'Heard it' ... sure .... would be nice to know at least some detail of it ( not like Bachman saying she heard from a woman that a vaccine make kids dumb ... ) .

I think you are referring to a ' travel expense " issue generated by the fact that treatment was seeked outside of the province :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...bursement.html

But we are still working on our death panels ...
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God Bless us all everyone. Who really gives a flying fuck who gets elected? Like it's going to change your life on an individual level LOL!!!
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ask the woman i heard on the radio yesterday who has been denied treatments for her cancer by the largest province in Canada - Ontario. even though that treatment is available in two other Canadian provinces and the US. be careful what you wish for - when the government controls your healthcare they can actually decide who lives and dies.

not saying the US has it right but neither does Canada.
seems unlikely. could be possible but there is a lot of propaganda by people who would profit from private heath care that tries to turn canadians against their health care system.

and if any canadian thinks the current system is bad they should read the history about the nightmare of private health care before the current system ... which motivated people of conscience to act.
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seems unlikely. could be possible but there is a lot of propaganda by people who would profit from private heath care that tries to turn canadians against their health care system.

and if any canadian thinks the current system is bad they should read the history about the nightmare of private health care before the current system ... which motivated people of conscience to act.
It's complete "he said, she said" crap. Notice how Canada always keeps their mouth shut and never says anything bad about us. We survive off this sick twisted propoganda. I am so sick and tired of this shit I can't even get erect any longer
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Regardless of their position on anything/everything else?
well, i wouldnt mind if guns were banned as well

but i thought this thread was about the specific incident in the video - which was about the missile defense shield
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ohh man look out for the huge changes that fear mongers always cry about before elections and then never happen. obama, romney..democrat or republican. they are all selling you out and have been for decades.
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'Heard it' ... sure .... would be nice to know at least some detail of it ( not like Bachman saying she heard from a woman that a vaccine make kids dumb ... ) .

I think you are referring to a ' travel expense " issue generated by the fact that treatment was seeked outside of the province :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...bursement.html

But we are still working on our death panels ...
ha yeah people blow it way out of proportion but i think people should be able to get covered health care in whatever province does the job best. however, like you said, she was not ever denied treatment.

"The Health Ministry refuses to reimburse Cavrak-Johansen and her husband any of the approximately $4,500 in travel costs because their policy is to pay only for travel within Ontario or Manitoba."
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'Heard it' ... sure .... would be nice to know at least some detail of it ( not like Bachman saying she heard from a woman that a vaccine make kids dumb ... ) .

I think you are referring to a ' travel expense " issue generated by the fact that treatment was seeked outside of the province :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...bursement.html

But we are still working on our death panels ...
no that's not the woman, it was the treatment itself the province said she couldn't have, not travelling expenses.
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Bro, the entire adult biz and all of us would have been shipped to china in handcuffs if Santorum won lol. The guy is nuts..
Maybe not that but I believe he would have destroyed the industry or would have tried to. If he was the candidate I would have voted for the first time in my life and it would have been for Obama.

It all comes down to people believing the president is largely or even mostly responsible for the problems in America. Such people are usually very uneducated or delusional.
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no that's not the woman, it was the treatment itself the province said she couldn't have, not travelling expenses.
hmm, doesn't seem to be any articles about it out there then.
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seems unlikely. could be possible but there is a lot of propaganda by people who would profit from private heath care that tries to turn canadians against their health care system.

and if any canadian thinks the current system is bad they should read the history about the nightmare of private health care before the current system ... which motivated people of conscience to act.
sigh, what he said, it's all a ruse.
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No wonder gun sales are going through the roof. And Ron Paul. When is that tool going to stop wasting time and money?
Sell to whom exactly? As a GFY member, you should be happy with this news. Because both Santorum and Romney would drop the hammer on the adult industry.
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ask the woman i heard on the radio yesterday who has been denied treatments for her cancer by the largest province in Canada - Ontario. even though that treatment is available in two other Canadian provinces and the US. be careful what you wish for - when the government controls your healthcare they can actually decide who lives and dies.

not saying the US has it right but neither does Canada.
Please tell me you don't listen to that right wing mouthpiece Rush Limbaugh.
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no that's not the woman, it was the treatment itself the province said she couldn't have, not travelling expenses.
If you say so, it MUST be true ....
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Cthulhu/Shub-Niggurath 2012!! The Evil Party. "when the Evil Party was first founded in 2012, an amazing 99.9 of all District residents immediately changed their party affiliation, with many saying they could finally 'be honest'".

In terms of evil, they'd have their work cut out for them. This won't be a cake walk
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Lol! You're the one who's afraid that President Obama will "sell you out" based on that exchange with Dmitry Medvedev. you=funny.
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Got a link with any references to that?
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I did not say that. Romney would at least be constrained by trying to get a second term. I think Obama will win. I have to find someone to vote for, won't be either of them.
I don't think everything can be laid at Obama's feet. Congress is to blame for most of our problems and we cannot forget that the Republicans have run this country for the past few presidential elections. We also cannot forget that the Republicans have not offered up any concrete solutions for our current problems, just smoke and voodoo economics. They are more concerned with getting their social agenda in place than they are rebuilding the country. So their big concern with big government is a veil, because they actually want more government to tell us what they would like us to do, how to live, what we can watch, how we treat our bodies, etc. et al.
Personally I would prefer one educated man with a presidential demeanor over a bunch of radical clownshoes that will literally destroy our country. There is no one else to vote for and if you sit home, you vote for the Republican tea fucks.
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You guys are VERY LUCKY to have Obama in the White house now, and you will be very lucky if he wins next November.

Do you really think that Fucking Romney or any other republican nominee would do your country any good at all? Thanks to Dubya you were hanging on by a thread already.

What do most republicans seem to stand for? Let's make a short list:

- Removal of Medicare
- Removal of women's right to health care and family planning
- Voter Suppression
- Lower taxes for the rich
- Higher Traxes for middle Americans and the poor
- Oil, Oil, Oil, and more subsidies for filthy rich oil companies.
- Suppression of clean energy such as Solar, Water, Wind
- Pro Cathlic Religion anything
- Anti any-other-religion anything
- Suppression of rights.
- Incredible eagerness to start a war and invade another country
- Suppression of Education
- And lets not forget : Guns, Guns and more guns.

How the hell anyone can claim that any republican in office is doing ANYTHING good right now is beyond me.
Yea, we are so lucky:

Obama's World Apology Tour.
Zillions of rounds of golf and lavish vacations.
Obamacare, not debated on C-SPAN as promised.
A big gas price increase, bigger even than Jimmy Carter's.
Record unemployment.
Record childhood poverty.
A credit downgrade.
Trillions of dollars of stimulus, AKA debt, AKA stolen money.
Trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.
Eric Holder's attempt to steal the election by opposition to voter ID.
Obama meddling in individual legal cases, etc..

We are SO lucky!!!



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Yea, we are so lucky:

Obama's World Apology Tour.
Zillions of rounds of golf and lavish vacations.
Obamacare, not debated on C-SPAN as promised.
A big gas price increase, bigger even than Jimmy Carter's.
Record unemployment.
Record childhood poverty.
A credit downgrade.
Trillions of dollars of stimulus, AKA debt, AKA stolen money.
Trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.
Eric Holder's attempt to steal the election by opposition to voter ID.
Obama meddling in individual legal cases, etc..

We are SO lucky!!!



You're putting all that on Obama? You need some education credits bubba. You actually think Obama controls gas prices? Who do you think owns the oil companies? Who do you think gave them all those nice subsidies? Who actually stole the election and gave it to Bush? Who ran the country into a deficit in the first place? Every single one of your points got fed to you by some asshat and you gobbled it up. You are embarrassing yourself when you spout stupid. Get the facts.
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Obama would be too right wing for most European countries, but at least he is educated.

You Republican candidates are just not from this planet, lunatic fringe religious beliefs, crazy economics, ill informed and badly educated.

The concerns of Americans to have the right to guns and die through lack of medical air is surreal to people who live in civilized countries.

What the hell do you need guns for ?

No National Health Service, crazy shit.

The idea that it is country where there is great social mobility is just not true.

The reason America was successful was because it emerged the only country undamaged and an economic power house after WW2, Quite naturally this has been slipping ever since.

Sadly America is the country that believes its own propaganda.
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no that's not the woman, it was the treatment itself the province said she couldn't have, not travelling expenses.
Please provide link or links, I'd like to read up on this. There has to be some extenuating circumstances (assuming the story is even true) that isn't being said, because I can assure you no Canadian is being refused cancer treatment outright "just cuz". I worked in our health care system for 15 years and never once saw this occuring. Several in my own family have fought, were treated and beat cancer, all treated quite successfully by our horrible socialistic free-for-everyone health care system.

So yes, details needed.


I'm not saying our system is perfect either, but if we're turning away cancer sufferers or refusing treatment to any Canadian for no valid reason it's news to me.

Ask Shemp what he thinks of our system.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:28 PM   #87
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Cthulhu/Shub-Niggurath 2012!! The Evil Party. "when the Evil Party was first founded in 2012, an amazing 99.9 of all District residents immediately changed their party affiliation, with many saying they could finally 'be honest'".

In terms of evil, they'd have their work cut out for them. This won't be a cake walk
Too bad Cheney is recovering from his heart transplant. He'd be perfect at the top of the ticket.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:29 PM   #88
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Please provide link or links, I'd like to read up on this. There has to be some extenuating circumstances (assuming the story is even true) that isn't being said, because I can assure you no Canadian is being refused cancer treatment outright "just cuz". I worked in our health care system for 15 years and never once saw this occuring. Several in my own family have fought, were treated and beat cancer, all treated quite successfully by our horrible socialistic free-for-everyone health care system.

So yes, details needed.


I'm not saying our system is perfect either, but if we're turning away cancer sufferers or refusing treatment to any Canadian for no valid reason it's news to me.

Ask Shemp what he thinks of our system.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2.../19596831.html

i don't have to ask Shemp, i've seen Canada's healthcare system firsthand - of course there are millions of people who get decent to great care, when you're paying 40% personal income tax and your country barely spends a dime on its own defense then you better expect the best healthcare in the world. which Canadian's don't, Ontario is a mess, people waiting months for cancer treatment in certain areas, waiting lists for heart surgery where people die waiting. I know of one of those personally, he'd have been better off having a heart attack and ending up in an ER so he could have had bypass surgery on an emergency basis.
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hmm, doesn't seem to be any articles about it out there then.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2.../19596831.html
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well that story sucks if true but the only ones reporting it are the sun papers ie the fox news of canada so who knows what kind of bullshit spin they put on it.
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Yea, we are so lucky:

Obama's World Apology Tour.
Zillions of rounds of golf and lavish vacations.
Obamacare, not debated on C-SPAN as promised.
A big gas price increase, bigger even than Jimmy Carter's.
Record unemployment.
Record childhood poverty.
A credit downgrade.
Trillions of dollars of stimulus, AKA debt, AKA stolen money.
Trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.
Eric Holder's attempt to steal the election by opposition to voter ID.
Obama meddling in individual legal cases, etc..

We are SO lucky!!!




You're such a fucking moron! Most of this list has existed since the DAWN OF MAN or the dawn of the issues you're listing LOL Or at least it was something expected just from natural progression. You're actually saying this list STARTED with OBAMA
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Far from your original post ...

Provinces, countries have a Drug Approval process that differs ... This case is that they believe that an experimental drug can maybe save her . That drug is actually in evaluation/testing in 2 other provinces ... out of 10 , so in those provinces you can maybe be selected to test it ( guinea pig )

Health Canada has not yet given the wide OK, but it is available as of 2004 upon payment;
http://cadth.ca/media/pdf/108_No56_a...ab_edrug_e.pdf

Now, lets bring in the insurrance company, Manulife .... I thought that those big companies ( Manulife is huge , in fact I have term deposits there ) wrre the good guys, the governement the bad guy.

Why is the insurrance company not picking up the tab ???
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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2.../19596831.html

i don't have to ask Shemp, i've seen Canada's healthcare system firsthand - of course there are millions of people who get decent to great care, when you're paying 40% personal income tax and your country barely spends a dime on its own defense then you better expect the best healthcare in the world. which Canadian's don't, Ontario is a mess, people waiting months for cancer treatment in certain areas, waiting lists for heart surgery where people die waiting. I know of one of those personally, he'd have been better off having a heart attack and ending up in an ER so he could have had bypass surgery on an emergency basis.
who is paying 40% personal income taxes? you seem to have a hate on for canada yet appear to live here. if what directfiesta is true then the whole story is not being reported on the link you posted but still a shame. personally i think health care should be virtually the same across all provinces.
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It's a good thing you live in Canada. It's a fair enough excuse for all that bullshit above, (I suppose).
Yes I guess I am lucky to live here. One thing it does give me is perspective. I'm a news junky and strangely, an American politics junky for the past 2 years and living in Canada has let me see the point of views from both the Dems and GOP. While there's no doubt that republicans really really love their country, I have seen, heard and read of only a few things that republicans have done that seem "good".

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Forget the pro-Republican or Democrat argument for a minute. Let's tackle the "VERY LUCKY to have Obama in the White house", bullshit.

If we are so lucky why is the unemployment average for Obama over 10% with over 4 million people underemployed?
The unemployment rate is not Obamas fault. It was caused by the Bush administration and only inherited by Obama. Since he took office the unemployment rate has gone down, not up.




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Gas prices have gone up 2-fold
The president of the United states has no control over the price of oil.

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How about spending $26 billion on the EPA and plans to spend 10s of billions more?
The Environmental Protection Agency was put in place by president Nixon in 1970 and is responsible for curbing the flow of pollution of the air and water by industries who previously dumped an insane amount into the air and water.



The next time you go outside and see a blue sky and drink clean water from your tap, you should thank the EPA.

If you still don't know why you need the EPA, do a Google search for "Fracking".


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If Obamacare will succeed in providing comprehensive health insurance to another 30 million people, it will be oh-so-magical, (and if you believe that, you're a moron).
I don't know enough about it. All I know is that here in Canada, we have Medicare and do not need medical insurance. We can walk into any hospital for treatment and get it free. I do not know why the US does not have it.

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Which all fits into the FACT his 'regulations' on big businesses and banks eventually end up costing consumers.
No, unregulated big banks loaned money to people who could not afford it, sold the poison debt to wall street, and traded it like casino chips.

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Big banks and corporations aren't focusing on what's fair you dumb fucking morons, all that matters is their bottom-line, (and it's been that way FOREVER). Take away from their bottom-line by forcing regulations and mandates, they will fire people and raise costs to consumers to get it back. You know, you would THINK that's just common sense.
Isn't this exactly what Mitt Romney has done his whole life since Bain Capital?
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I did not say that. Romney would at least be constrained by trying to get a second term. I think Obama will win. I have to find someone to vote for, won't be either of them.
If you don't vote, you don't get to complain.

Here's an idea for you. Gather your news from multiple sources, not just Fox. Pick any item that interests you where Obama and Romney disagree, for example, the EPA. Take some time to do some research before forming a final opinion. Do the same with taxes, energy, etc. Line up 10 things or so and then compare the candidates. I bet after you do that, you will be the first one in line at the voting booth.
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good to see Obama doing his job and getting shit done. How can anyone have a problem with this? You want politicians to speak the truth right?
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Yes I guess I am lucky to live here. One thing it does give me is perspective. I'm a news junky and strangely, an American politics junky for the past 2 years and living in Canada has let me see the point of views from both the Dems and GOP. While there's no doubt that republicans really really love their country, I have seen, heard and read of only a few things that republicans have done that seem "good".

http://www.nmvoices.org/wp-content/u...owth-chart.jpg




The unemployment rate is not Obamas fault. It was caused by the Bush administration and only inherited by Obama. Since he took office the unemployment rate has gone down, not up.






The president of the United states has no control over the price of oil.



The Environmental Protection Agency was put in place by president Nixon in 1970 and is responsible for curbing the flow of pollution of the air and water by industries who previously dumped an insane amount into the air and water.



The next time you go outside and see a blue sky and drink clean water from your tap, you should thank the EPA.

If you still don't know why you need the EPA, do a Google search for "Fracking".




I don't know enough about it. All I know is that here in Canada, we have Medicare and do not need medical insurance. We can walk into any hospital for treatment and get it free. I do not know why the US does not have it.



No, unregulated big banks loaned money to people who could not afford it, sold the poison debt to wall street, and traded it like casino chips.



Isn't this exactly what Mitt Romney has done his whole life since Bain Capital?
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Yea, we are so lucky:

Obama's World Apology Tour.
Obama sent a letter to Afghan President Hamid Karzai for idiots who burned Korans at Begram Air field in Afghanistan. He did not apologize to the world, and there was no "tour".

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Zillions of rounds of golf and lavish vacations.
In the first three years of Obama's term, he spent a total of 70 days on vacation. George W Bush spent 225 days in the same period.

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A big gas price increase, bigger even than Jimmy Carter's.
The price of gas and oil is not set by the president. The price is actually set in the futures market. An oil futures contract is a binding agreement that gives one the right to purchase oil by the barrel at a predefined price on a predefined date in the future. Under a futures contract, both the buyer and the seller are obligated to fulfill their side of the transaction on the specified date. Unrest in the middle east, Iran especially, is what is really driving the price of oil.


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Record unemployment.
Not true.



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A credit downgrade.
Standards & Poor's downgrade was due to threat of default of the United States during the debt ceiling increase debate and how the GOP used it as a bargaining chip.

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Trillions of dollars of stimulus, AKA debt, AKA stolen money.
The stimulus was only $787 Billion, and none of it was "stolen". This included $288 billion in tax cuts, $224 billion in extended unemployment benefits, and $275 billion for job creation. $185b was spent in 2009, $400b in 2010, and $135b in 2011 (fiscal years).

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Trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.
The deficit was caused by the Bush administration. Before bush, America had a surplus.
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Is that all you can say?

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