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You still seeing the same conversion ratio?
Anybody else?

is the traffic coming from 2 different sources or do you have a way to alternate each join hit so you are comparing apples to apples and not to oranges.

We stopped with CCBill a while back because we're happy with Verotel. And it was an A/B test, so it was coming from the same source.

It's unanimous we did the test and are seeing much better results with verotel processing our membership sales.

Also for the record we removed ccbill as biller for some of our other goods and services and without adding any new traffic or advertising, we saw sales quadruple simply by removing ccbill as biller.

No reason to fabricate this statement and nothing to gain by posting the truth.

What do you think the reasoning is behind this? Just so much scrubbing from CCBILL? or have you tried anybody else ie Zombaio?

Whats your percentage of traffic coming from Affilates?

Actually most big programs (and many smaller ones these days as well) have their own merchant accounts and use third party processors to cascade to if declined by their own merchant account bank.
You don't actually see this many times because when having their own merchant account and using a gateway such as ours the merchant has the option ( and most often does) host their own secure payment form so the customer never has to leave their site and complete customization is possible this way as well.

Any other questions?

Thank you, Mitch Farber

As a small site owner, the monthly minimums used to be too much. What are the requirements these days?

Hi,

If you are located in the US, we can setup start ups. If you are outside of the US, 10k per month.
Would you like more information?

We can only speculate what the reason is for the disparity, but I just wanted to confirm what the op of the thread found to be true, and that is that since we stopped using ccbill as primary biller we are seeing much better results and much small intervals between no sales periods

In fact for one other area of our operations we removed ccbill entirely and the results are spellbinding....

Sales have shot into the stratosphere with no more 0 sales days or 3-4 day sales holes either and all we did was remove ccbill as the biller no extra traffic, no advertising...there I said it...

Make of the info what you wish not trying to throw anyone under the bus...just stating the facts as they relate to us.

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You found the same with verotel?

I think I'm finally going to cave and switch to Verotel. I'm sick of CCBill constantly F'ing me in the A. This recent MasterCard fee was the final straw for me.

Thats business.
They still charge the fee but will refund it if you do $100/week in sales.
Let us know how it works...:2 cents:

All I know is CCBill's told me two different things over the last ten days. First, they sent me a few e-mails telling me that I'd be charged $100.00 a week over a five-week period to cover the impending MasterCard fee. I was already upset about that since I felt they should have given me a tad more notice. Then, a few hours ago, they sent me a totally different e-mail informing me that the fee needs to be paid up front or I'll no longer be able to process MasterCard transactions. WTF, CCBill? Up until yesterday they had told me three times that my MasterCard transactions would be uninterrupted and that the fee would just be taken out of my weekly payouts. Then, just today, they tell me the exact opposite. Not too professional. Meanwhile, the 24th is less than a week away. So, yeah, forgive me for being more than a tad frustrated. That's just bad business no matter how you slice it. Lately I've been hearing a lot of good things about Verotel. Might be time to give 'em a go.

Why?

Everyone knows that CCbill scrapes like 80% of all transactions. I don't know why would anyone in their right mind would bill through them.

So how does that happen exactly. CCBill scrapes 80% of transactions meaning the site owner does not get paid. So user is given a *back door* secret entry into site so ccbill collects money and site owner never knows, 80% of the time?

I like the Verotel sign up forms and admin CP but keep them at the bottom of my cascades because of their rip off 1.5% fee on top of the normal fees for all re-bills.

In my case, it was Zombiao and Verotel.

Don't be an idiot. You know what he's referring to, the scrub.

Ahh. Not wanting to pry but did you find the same sort of difference?
Do you use both still?
Can you figure and logical reason other then the scrub speculation?

The notorious and mysterious scrub does not explain everything especially an approval decline.

Approval declines do not benefit the website owner, or the customer...the approval declines only benefit the middle men.

How approval declines benefit ccbill?

The 80% of surfers are never able to sign up through a CCbill gateway.

Over the years I tried to sign up myself to different CCbill sites, and was never successful. (with a proper credit card from a 1st world country).