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JFK · 04-03-2012, 09:54 AM

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MaDalton · 04-03-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

It's funny to me that the libs think that taking their paychecks from them and giving it to Obama donors is the same thing as NOT taking money from anyone, including oil companies. Tax deduction for expenses != government check.

in both cases = no money in pocket

Tom_PM · 04-03-2012, 10:03 AM

Politics in most any discussion is like a dirty handed kid sticking his finger in a pie.

buck30 · 04-03-2012, 10:16 AM

And the Energy Department has only awarded about 20 percent of the available funds in the program

Send me money, I make renewable energy every day with huge shits. Dry them out and use them for heatin, just like in the 20's and 30's.

V_RocKs · 04-03-2012, 10:54 AM

Reminds me of the 3 billion annually Bush fucked us out of when he removed the bidding function of Medicare/Medicaid purchasing.

directfiesta · 04-03-2012, 11:24 AM

Damn ... They could have bought and used a few tomahawks missiles somewhere ....

Also in the news :

Auto sales on target for best quarter since 2008

suesheboy · 04-03-2012, 11:31 AM

I know I am getting hyper in this thread but it hot so close to home for me.

As someone who grew up in NY and Munich, it always blew my mind how far ahead Germany was with recycling and green tech.

I was a huge Regan supporter as a young republican. Once he got in office, he removed the solar panels Carter installed.

I Supported Bush 1 and when the "read my lips, no new taxes" turned out to be a lie, I dropped out of the party and have been independent since.

Renewable are the future. The space program was a giant subsidy and look at what we got from it.

Some things are not about money.

mafia_man · 04-03-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

So pointing out severe corruption is now illogical * bashing?

Let's summarize this:
Obama gets tons of money from Solyndra and its advisors at Goldman Sachs.
Solyndra then gets millions in loans from the government.
Solyndra gets more loans from the government when it's clear Solyndra can't pay back the original loans.
Solyndra announces that it's opening a plant in Mexico instead of California.
3 weeks later Solyndra gets even more loans from the government.
The government gives up its first lien and gives Solyndra another loan.
....

Don't see anything fishy going on?

It's called lobbying. Welcome to politics.

u-Bob · 04-03-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

the subsidies in Germany will be cut now, they just change the law

the problem is that energy companies are forced by law to pay people who feed solar power into the net a higher price per kwh than people pay for their energy they buy.

means: i can feed solar power into the net and get paid 40 cents per kwh and at the same time buy "conventional" energy from the same company and pay 25 cents per kwh.

the effect: energy gets more expensive for everyone

stop subsidising all forms of energy and let the market sort out what works

and that includes subsidies to oil and nuclear companies

good post.

We used to have the same type of subsidies over here as well. They canceled the whole system last year.

3 of my neighbors now have subsidized solar panels on their roofs. By the time they'll have earned their investment back, it will be almost time to replace their solar panels. And mark my words, that's when the fun will begin. Those panels contain heavy metals and other poisonous materials. I wouldn't be surprised if by then some well meaning green politician proposes a special safety tax for anyone disposing off anything that contains those heavy metals.

For several years we've had this system of subsidies and the end result is: a lot of home with solar panels that are incredibly inefficient and not suited to be used in this part of the world.

Under free market conditions, the way to convince potential clients to buy your solar panels, is to make sure they're actually efficient. By subsidizing an inefficient technology, politicians have not made the technology more efficient. They have given manufacturers of inefficient solar panels an incentive to keep producing those inefficient products.

In a free market, producers of solar panels would have 2 choices: improve the quality (efficiency) of their product to make it more appealing to potential customers or quit wasting resources and find something else to do.

porno jew · 04-03-2012, 12:41 PM

when you find a country without a state or a market with zero government interference let us know. until then you solutions are about as useful as a witch doctor trying to fix the engine of an automobile.

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

good post.

We used to have the same type of subsidies over here as well. They canceled the whole system last year.

3 of my neighbors now have subsidized solar panels on their roofs. By the time they'll have earned their investment back, it will be almost time to replace their solar panels. And mark my words, that's when the fun will begin. Those panels contain heavy metals and other poisonous materials. I wouldn't be surprised if by then some well meaning green politician proposes a special safety tax for anyone disposing off anything that contains those heavy metals.

For several years we've had this system of subsidies and the end result is: a lot of home with solar panels that are incredibly inefficient and not suited to be used in this part of the world.

Under free market conditions, the way to convince potential clients to buy your solar panels, is to make sure they're actually efficient. By subsidizing an inefficient technology, politicians have not made the technology more efficient. They have given manufacturers of inefficient solar panels an incentive to keep producing those inefficient products.

In a free market, producers of solar panels would have 2 choices: improve the quality (efficiency) of their product to make it more appealing to potential customers or quit wasting resources and find something else to do.

u-Bob · 04-03-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

when you find a country without a state or a market with zero government interference let us know. until then you solutions are about as useful as a witch doctor trying to fix the engine of an automobile.

So what are you saying? It's been proven time and time again that doing things a certain way (central planning) doesn't work, but we should continue doing it that way because that's the way it's being done?

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