Are we talking about the good of volunteerism again?

So you can't answer why after the fall of the first real organized goverment the World is plunged in to the Dark Ages? Imagine that. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Checkmate and good night.

Yeah.. .you know, where people organize behind ideas and leaders and coordinate their efforts to achieve an objective. kinda like education, calling 911, emergency room visits or calling the fire department - except in this perfect world, everyone is a great surgeon, no one gets paid and if you want to just stab your doctor with a Bowie Knife and steal all the meds when he's done, thats cool too because there is no police to call.

That sounds a lot like the beginning stages of forming a government. People don't form governments. Idiot.

What does that have to do with Al Capone killing mobsters and a drunk driver killing a little kid on the way home from the bar?

Again... NOTHING to do with my remark.. Nothing. You used Alcohol as an example. YOUR example.

Drunk drivers kill innocent children. There is less drunk driving because of laws and their strict enforcement. Making drunk driving legal does not decrease drunk driving... nor does it decrease the number of people killed by drunk drivers.

You don't get tired of losing and having to keep changing directions?

Again... YOU used the example of alcohol. Not me. So thats why dumbass.

Why do you keep dodging the point? The only way your "position" makes sense is if one is heavily medicated, stone out of their mind or if you accept that laws do nothing to deter crime or protect people.

its like paul markham but with faster responses

James Burke - "The day the universe changed" and "connections"

Old series, watched again recently. Recommended, though it may lok a little crusty at first.

Available in full on Youtube :)

links, doubt anyone will watch anyway but..

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UtWVfTiQQW8

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OcSxL8GUn-g

One thing that I have learned in this thread from MIT JohnnyClips is that it is definitely not rocket science! :1orglaugh

I say we all chip in and by the young JC a book:

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this guy can't be real.. seriously. Is this a boneprone character? If it is i'd give him a big high five for playing us like this.

You might be right. It is getting pretty unbelievable.

And you earned a 4.0 GPA there, correct?

He's real. His behavior, thought/speech patterns are very consistent with one or more forms of schizophrenia. In addition to his disorganized and contradictory and often incoherent thoughts and delusions he's expressed here as well as the consistent theme of "anything "authority" (with no rigid definition) is evil" and that everything is a lie or propaganda, remember that he also believes we are all the spawn of aliens and aliens which are controlling us right now.

Quite a large % of the population suffer from one form of schizophrenia or another. There are many on this forum, including cam_girls, mindwaste and so on.

he's not schizo just not that smart and came across a few ideas that he latched on to. another case of the half-educated man.

camgirls is truly schizo johnny just uneducated and slow.

I think he is. Those "ideas" are how he rationalizes his very distorted world view and how he has learned to reconcile his ideas, views and behavior as being correct. They all do the same thing. Paranoid delusions are not "ideas" one latches on to. The idea of anarchy as a workable system of government, is simply the logical conclusion to his own delusional paranoia of authority and government.

Half educated doesn't explain his inability to string together a single coherent thought. He is almost in a panic state when he posts because his fragile world view and sense of who he is and why he is right, is being threatened - which would result in a massive breakdown.

Anyway, all of his behavior is characteristic of schizophrenia.

you misdiagnose him. he's just simply at the level of a 14 year old who read his first ayn rand book and turned fanatical about it. nothing more.

schizos will usually have something unique and idiosyncratic about their delusions where johnny is just boilerplate libertarianism and david icke but dumbed down quite a bit.

:1orglaugh

that's what i thought at first but if you throw in the compulsive lying and the fantasy world stuff it goes well beyond just having a low iq.. His refusal to believe anything even refuting the idea of any education whatsoever isn't something that can be fixed by growing a little older and wiser, its a self perpetuating mental block, which is common in a lot of cases of psychosis.




...or boneprone is a genius and we all have egg on our faces.

Of course, neither of us can diagnose him unless he continues. I will say that there are not only types of schizophrenia but degrees. It can be the result of complex neurological disorders that are passed in genes, or it can also spontaneously appear when urged by stress or trauma and also dissapear.

That said, its a complex issue and not always easily diagnosed. I understand what you are saying and I almost want to agree with you except these things you mention are all connected by the common thread of both paranoid and delusional ideas and beliefs/fixations. The recurring themes he clings to are all common to a person suffering from schizophrenia. They don't necessarily have to have some bizarre fixation or "idiosyncratic" idea to believe (i.e. MindWaste and Avril or Cam_girls believing he's Adam from the bible). The extreme and irrational mistrust in "authority figures" (meaning the irrational degree to which he does not trust and irrational manner in which he both expresses it and defends it) is the first red flag and always a common trait to one degree or another. The insane ideas, incoherent and incomplete thoughts, bizarre rationalizations, continually shifting topics etc etc etc are all pretty common traits (i.e. cognitive processes are impaired, excessive/irrational emotion, inability to stay on track and form a coherent argument etc).

Of course someone immature could also possibly behave in this manner to an extent but someone who is "just immature" doesn't end up fervently trying to convince others we are the children of aliens and insist "its quite obvious when you think about it" and so on.

I also agree he is pretty immature and naive in his ideas, however, its hard to really tell if that's just immaturity or the driving need to again, reaffirm his bizarre world view as the result of a mental disorder. I think those two things are very hard to separate by reading forum posts.... and again, its quite possible that he's a 14 year old trying to sound smart.

Additionally, i'm confident that if you filled a room full of people who were simultaneously "Ayn Rand, Libertarian and David Icke fans" - you'd end up with a significantly disproportionate number of mentally ill people. ;)

where does one get their education then? The elves? or do they talk to the trees directly?

I'm an anarchist.

We don't need government or taxes.

We can live without police, armies and government.

All we need to do is agree to what rights we want to have as a civilized society. We'll call this new thing the "bill of schmrights"

Then, we'll decide together what rules we want to live by as a society. We'll just call these new things "schmlaws"

We'll then organize volunteers to arbitrate disputes, protect each other, protect our rights and stop others from infringing in the rights we all agreed to have and afford each other. We'll call these people "Schmolice"

Since Schmolice need oversight, we'll create a new level of volunteers called "Schmayors" who will also manager other administrative aspects of our new Schmities

Of course, we don't want houses burning down and children being roasted alive. We'll probably need to start a group of "fire putter outers". We'll call that the Schmire Department

To make sure your neighbors aren't building unsafe houses that can burst into flames due to faulty wiring, flammable construction materials and so on, causing your whole life and family to go up in flames one night, we'll have to create something called "Schmuilding Codes" and volunteers to rigorously enforce those codes

Since we don't want people to buy tainted food products, i guess we'll need to have a department of volunteers who oversee the processing, production, packaging, labeling and distribution of food products. We'll just call these new volunteers....

oh... wait, i'm building a government again...

Is it your understanding that a 4.0 average is the highest one available at MIT?

Ohh... unilaterally declaring yourself right. Who'd expect that from someone suffering from some form of schizophrenia? The fact is that you're too emotionally fragile to consider being wrong.

These are all common traits to those suffering from some form of schizophrenia. Only YOU know the truth (i.e. my totally insane ideas are right and EVERYONE ELSE, is conveniently wrong). This is nothing more than a defense mechanism of a mentally ill person.

1) No one said "humans are alone in the universe" - Thats been said you countless times. You simply repeat that because its a safe point to retreat to when you start saying "we're all the children of aliens and they are on this planet controlling us"... as if someone argued there is no life in the universe.

2) No one said "conspiracies never happen" - you simply retreat to remarks like that again, to add weight or credibility (in your mind) to your insane ideas which commonly center around a vast conspiracy

3) Your idea of truth, i've noticed is quite flexible and ambiguous

I'm not trying to change you... i'm just trying to keep you talking because its actually quite fascinating to me.

From the MIT Office of the Registrar:

Sorry there JohnnyClips, but you fail!

Here, try this and come back and explain it to us (I'm pretty sure that it's not rocket science):

http://www.diplomadr.com/images/Diplomaboxeb.jpg

Don't despair, you're mildly entertaining even though you are mostly full of shit... :winkwink:

ADG

lol, ADG continues to look dumber and dumber with his corny irrelevant pictures...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...PCT2KTNUp1nqIw

You might have a point except that your premise is wrong, since the topic is JohnnyClips and I was responding to his apparently getting caught in a lie about his academic background. How is what I posted irrelevant?

Don't tell us that you got your tinfoil diploma from MIT too? :upsidedow :winkwink:

NOTE TO SELF: Post funnier more relevant pictures to gain StickyGreen's approval.

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Arguing with a bot

johnny your caps lock is sticking buddy.

Its obviously been rocket science the whole time

despite all your rage you're still just a rat in a cage

No one makes (or has made) any of claims that you repeatedly insist people are making. No one has said or done anything you say people are saying or doing (not questioning the President, believing "everything", "claiming to know the truth" etc). That is pure fabrication on your part. Most of your replies rely on fabricated arguments which were never made and fabricated points which were never stated by anyone in the discussion.

You continually repeat the same thing because you have to. You are in a borderline state of delirium where your fragile emotional state is threatened by a reality you've convinced yourself doesn't exist (or conversely, the reality which you've constructed for yourself and made yourself believe does exist). You keep rebutting non-existent arguments and keep refuting non-existent points as a last defense, which is a major tipoff that you're mentally ill (forgetting about your interpretation of reality, your rambling and incoherent thoughts, paranoid delusions etc) because at the end of it all, you have no logical, rational or reasonable position and above all things, your views/positions are completely inflexible as they are driven by your illness and need to believe as a means of reconciling the distorted world you perceive as a result of your illness and the world as it actually is (or as the vast majority of people perceive it).

You then wrap it up your rebuttal to non-existent points and arguments by posing questions which is a typical and perhaps the most overused tactic of any conspiracy nut, the point of which is to both put the other on the defensive and shift the discussion, focus and attention away from your delusional beliefs to what you feel are easily winnable discussion points.

actually i dont think i insulted you at all there. pretty unusual for me :1orglaugh

the FACTS are indeed as I have presented them

despite all your apparent rage for the system you are just as much a part of it as the rest of us :2 cents:

thank you :2 cents: :2 cents:

Wow gotta love GFY :)

Gotta pull up my boots cuz shit is getting thick in here.

Hey johnny

Good to see you are fighting the good fight. Good job.
What do you think of www.thrivemovement.com ?
Anything useful there?

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johnny how will property rights be enforced without the government, police and the courts?