Porn for women?

[Jenny]

Do any of you have experience making adult sites aimed at women? If you do could you please recommend good sponsors with sites made for women? I'll sign up under you if they have a webmaster refferal program.

Also are there any good link sites, tgps, resource sites, etc that are aimed at porn for women?

Thanks in advance!

[Honeyslut]

http://www.pornresource.com/sponsors.php?cat=38

[EscortBiz]

avoid that market at all costs

[sextoyking]

Jenny,

CJ runs some good for women sites.

her program is at:

http://www.purvebucks.com

thanks

Todd

[Deb]

Hi Jenny, you may want to pay a visit to:
WEN. It's run by Sandra from MaxCash and its aimed specifically at the "For Women" niche. You'll get lots of good info and advice over there from some of the best in the industry.

[Jenny]

Thanks everyone!


EscortBiz, would you mind elaborating on your comment a little? What's wrong with this niche? I figured it would be a good market for me to enter, since I know what women want more than what guys want!

[Mutt]

CJ at PurveBucks

she's got all sorts of stuff for you, free content, resources, tips on how to market, where to market

http://www.purvebucks.com

[salsbury]

Originally posted by Jenny
Thanks everyone!


EscortBiz, would you mind elaborating on your comment a little? What's wrong with this niche? I figured it would be a good market for me to enter, since I know what women want more than what guys want!

you sure that isn't "I know what I want (since I'm a woman) more than I know what guys want"?

it does seem like selling online porn to women would be tough. if it were easier we'd probably see more sites doing it. (the following posts will contain anecdotal evidence that there are sites doing it. that doesn't change that i think there would be more if it were easier. just a prepared response.)

[UncleJimmy]

BlacksonBlondes.com ;)

[EscortBiz]

Please dont take this personal and throw a fit but here is the fact:

Any business offline or online that caters mostly to women will be busy 100 times more with customer service, chargebacks, refunds then if it was for men.

This is not what I think but rather what I KNOW.

Some of the business I am or my partner was involved where we saw this and just fuckin flipped out.

In 2001 I sold my chatline business (phone system where guys and girls call and chat better then just a dateline) the system was run in all 5 Boros in NY, CT, RI, NJ and OH.

For most features it was free for women to call but some features they needed to pay as well, almost all calls related to problems, chargebacks where from women EVEN WHEN THEY ONLYUSED THE FREE FEATURES!

Many here know I run a extremly busy pay per minute computer helpline nationwide, 80% of calls related to I got cut off in middle talking to It did not help or lies like I never called are WOMEN! The funny part is we use Omnicron.com's digital phone recorder and play back to them the facts and then they hang up on the customer service rep who played it back!

I am not saying all women are like this im saying that anything with lots of women as customers will come with a huge pricetag on after sale support and customer service.

Stand for a few minutes in a busy store that men and women go to buy stuff, look who is coming in bitching and screaming non stop WOMEN, go to your local pharmacy local pizza store, anything they are always there screaming that the shampoo looked open, they need to talk with managers, and the pizza was cold and half cooked.

Im not a women hater at all, I am just saying if I had an option of getting involved in a business where I can select men or women as customers I would rather men.

Good luck in whatever you do there

[Honeyslut]

I would suggest if you do for women sites that you also make copies of the sites as gay sites with the content and use gay sponsors. You can then promote two niches . When I started out 3 years ago I was making for women sites and notice that the gay men loved to look at my hunk pics. LOL

[fnet]

Hi Jenny. Talk to me on ICQ if you want to exchange info about this. 13384735.

[Cash]

Jenny,

http://www.topbucks.com

has a muscle handsome men site that can be promoted to women, and

http://cecash.com

has a male masturbation site. They were both intended for a gay audience, but since they show solo male performances, you can use them for female traffic.

[Mr.Fiction]

If you are looking for 4women link traffic, Tommy's has a category for that.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Please dont take this personal and throw a fit but here is the fact:

Any business offline or online that caters mostly to women will be busy 100 times more with customer service, chargebacks, refunds then if it was for men.

This is not what I think but rather what I KNOW.

Some of the business I am or my partner was involved where we saw this and just fuckin flipped out.

In 2001 I sold my chatline business (phone system where guys and girls call and chat better then just a dateline) the system was run in all 5 Boros in NY, CT, RI, NJ and OH.

For most features it was free for women to call but some features they needed to pay as well, almost all calls related to problems, chargebacks where from women EVEN WHEN THEY ONLYUSED THE FREE FEATURES!

Many here know I run a extremly busy pay per minute computer helpline nationwide, 80% of calls related to I got cut off in middle talking to It did not help or lies like I never called are WOMEN! The funny part is we use Omnicron.com's digital phone recorder and play back to them the facts and then they hang up on the customer service rep who played it back!

I am not saying all women are like this im saying that anything with lots of women as customers will come with a huge pricetag on after sale support and customer service.

Stand for a few minutes in a busy store that men and women go to buy stuff, look who is coming in bitching and screaming non stop WOMEN, go to your local pharmacy local pizza store, anything they are always there screaming that the shampoo looked open, they need to talk with managers, and the pizza was cold and half cooked.

Im not a women hater at all, I am just saying if I had an option of getting involved in a business where I can select men or women as customers I would rather men.

Good luck in whatever you do there

I nominate for post of the year.

[WebMistress]

We have a partnership program with a site for women, called
"My Husband".

You can sign up at http://www.xxxproductions.com

Get the link up and start making some moolah!

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by MrPopup



I nominate for post of the year.

wow thanx

[WebMistress]

EscortBiz,


According to Computer Industry Almanac, by 2002 there will be 165 million online users in the US alone.

According to The CommerceNet/Nielsen Internet Demographic Survey:

U.S./Canada June 1998 Survey
43% of Internet users are women.

U.S./Canada April 1999 Survey
The number of women purchasing online increased 80% from the last survey.


So, if you choose to eliminate 70,950,000 potential customers (that's just in the US) because they may require more attention, I'LL gladly take the female surfers you turn away!

[Carrie]

Originally posted by WebMistress
So, if you choose to eliminate 70,950,000 potential customers (that's just in the US) because they may require more attention, I'LL gladly take the female surfers you turn away!

No, THIS one should be the quote of the year!

Hey EscortBiz... please tell me how we're going to have to deal with screaming women complaining that they didn't get what they wanted when we run free sites with no contact info?

It's not that I don't agree - I do think women are the ones that handle most of the returns, etc - simply because men are too fucking lazy to do so - but none of that has any bearing in a situation where a person wants to make free sites to promote a sponsor.

[sandman!]

Originally posted by Carrie


No, THIS one should be the quote of the year!

Hey EscortBiz... please tell me how we're going to have to deal with screaming women complaining that they didn't get what they wanted when we run free sites with no contact info?

It's not that I don't agree - I do think women are the ones that handle most of the returns, etc - simply because men are too fucking lazy to do so - but none of that has any bearing in a situation where a person wants to make free sites to promote a sponsor.

Yea keep telling yourself that

[sandman!]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Please dont take this personal and throw a fit but here is the fact:

Any business offline or online that caters mostly to women will be busy 100 times more with customer service, chargebacks, refunds then if it was for men.

This is not what I think but rather what I KNOW.

Some of the business I am or my partner was involved where we saw this and just fuckin flipped out.

In 2001 I sold my chatline business (phone system where guys and girls call and chat better then just a dateline) the system was run in all 5 Boros in NY, CT, RI, NJ and OH.

For most features it was free for women to call but some features they needed to pay as well, almost all calls related to problems, chargebacks where from women EVEN WHEN THEY ONLYUSED THE FREE FEATURES!

Many here know I run a extremly busy pay per minute computer helpline nationwide, 80% of calls related to I got cut off in middle talking to It did not help or lies like I never called are WOMEN! The funny part is we use Omnicron.com's digital phone recorder and play back to them the facts and then they hang up on the customer service rep who played it back!

I am not saying all women are like this im saying that anything with lots of women as customers will come with a huge pricetag on after sale support and customer service.

Stand for a few minutes in a busy store that men and women go to buy stuff, look who is coming in bitching and screaming non stop WOMEN, go to your local pharmacy local pizza store, anything they are always there screaming that the shampoo looked open, they need to talk with managers, and the pizza was cold and half cooked.

Im not a women hater at all, I am just saying if I had an option of getting involved in a business where I can select men or women as customers I would rather men.

Good luck in whatever you do there

All too true

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by WebMistress
EscortBiz,


According to Computer Industry Almanac, by 2002 there will be 165 million online users in the US alone.

According to The CommerceNet/Nielsen Internet Demographic Survey:

U.S./Canada June 1998 Survey
43% of Internet users are women.

U.S./Canada April 1999 Survey
The number of women purchasing online increased 80% from the last survey.


So, if you choose to eliminate 70,950,000 potential customers (that's just in the US) because they may require more attention, I'LL gladly take the female surfers you turn away!

Read again what I wrote before jumping into PMS mode, thanks

[Lick-Clit]

Hi Jenny, ;)

I'll call you so we can talk a bit about this.

You still have 867-5309, right?

[WebMistress]

Just read what I said -

Simply put, I'll take a woman's money as soon as I'd take a man's. Extra trouble or no, it still pays for the Porsche.

Speaking of PMS...now that you mention it, you DO kinda sound like you have a few issues ya need to work through, lol! Gotta girlfriend?

"Don't take this personally, but..

who is coming in bitching and screaming non stop WOMEN, go to your local pharmacy local pizza store, anything they are always there screaming that the shampoo looked open... "

[Lethal]

Originally posted by Carrie
It's not that I don't agree - I do think women are the ones that handle most of the returns, etc - simply because men are too fucking lazy to do so

Um NO it's because women love to whinge and complain... they get antsy if they don't have anything to moan about.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by WebMistress
Just read what I said -

Simply put, I'll take a woman's money as soon as I'd take a man's. Extra trouble or no, it still pays for the Porsche.

Speaking of PMS...now that you mention it, you DO kinda sound like you have a few issues ya need to work through, lol! Gotta girlfriend?

"Don't take this personally, but..

who is coming in bitching and screaming non stop WOMEN, go to your local pharmacy local pizza store, anything they are always there screaming that the shampoo looked open... "

no girlfriend and don't want one

[WebMistress]

Originally posted by Lethal


Um NO it's because women love to whinge and complain... they get antsy if they don't have anything to moan about.

Perhaps you need to find yourself another woman...

FYI - the only ones I hear complaining here are men.

[salsbury]

Originally posted by Carrie
but none of that has any bearing in a situation where a person wants to make free sites to promote a sponsor.

wow. ...

you think what's going on with your sponsors has nothing to do with you since you just "make free sites"? so when the sponsor loses money on ventures it doesn't affect you in the slightest?

wow.

[Lethal]

Originally posted by WebMistress


Perhaps you need to find yourself another woman...

FYI - the only ones I hear complaining here are men.

You've obviously never been involved in customer services then. In a previous life I used to be the complaints manager for a large call centre and the overwhelming majority of the irrational, angry, screeching whingers were women... about 85%.

Listening to the recorded calls, the thing that struck me time and time again was that, in most cases, if a man complained, and then was given a logical explanation, he would understand and that would be that. Most of the women refused to listen, even when they were actually at fault or there was a completely logical answer or solution, and screeched irately until they'd done their speil.

[jimmyf]

any woman that want 2 complain can cum on over 2 my house.
complain all you want, but you have 2 let me eat your pussy.

[WebMistress]

I could care less what customer service has to deal with; that's what they're paid for and just part of doing business.

What I look at is the bottom line. More niches, more money in my pocket.

[WebMistress]

Originally posted by jimmyf
any woman that waht 2 complain can cum on over 2 my house.
complain all you want, but you have 2 let me eat your pussy.

Hmmm...is Lethal a female?

[Lethal]

Originally posted by WebMistress
I could care less what customer service has to deal with; that's what they're paid for and just part of doing business.

What I look at is the bottom line. More niches, more money in my pocket.

Wow, you really are defensive Webmistress. All I'm saying is that the cost of doing porn for women is higher in the customer service area than it is in porn for men. All else being equal that would mean a lower return per customer.

BTW you might want to work on your tours a bit, I hope you didn't pay for them.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Lethal


You've obviously never been involved in customer services then. In a previous life I used to be the complaints manager for a large call centre and the overwhelming majority of the irrational, angry, screeching whingers were women... about 85%.

Listening to the recorded calls, the thing that struck me time and time again was that, in most cases, if a man complained, and then was given a logical explanation, he would understand and that would be that. Most of the women refused to listen, even when they were actually at fault or there was a completely logical answer or solution, and screeched irately until they'd done their speil.

If you are or were in customer service and had a hard time with women, all I can say is something is or was wrong, same goes for any other of you. I still work with women
( do online Maint ) and believe me they don't know shit about a computer. It's all in how you approach it, you can have'm eating out of your hand. I have Zero, Zip, problem with listening 2 women complain or for that matter men.
Well I did have a problem with one woman once. She was a Lawyer, went 2 her home to upgrade her PC. Nope can't tell what I did.

[Lethal]

Originally posted by jimmyf
If you are or were in customer service and had a hard time with women, all I can say is something is or was wrong, same goes for any other of you. I still work with women
( do online Maint ) and believe me they don't know shit about a computer. It's all in how you approach it, you can have'm eating out of your hand. I have Zero, Zip, problem with listening 2 women complain or for that matter men.

A few years ago I managed the complaints department for a large contract call centre, more than 800 call staff and thousands and thousands of calls a day about a diverse range of products and companies. It is inevitable that with a volume like that that there are going to be compaints, and they all had to be logged, followed up and analyzed to find potential ways to streamline the handling of complaint resolution process. Bear in mind that this is an industrial setting, that would be similar to the call centre at a large billing company, and not a tech support line. There were "grades" of complaints, and those of the worst grade and the longest hold time were all made by women. Women also spent a significantly higher propotion of time speaking as opposed to listening to solutions.

[cj_purve]

>>Any business offline or online that caters mostly to women will be busy 100 times more with customer service, chargebacks, refunds then if it was for men.

really?
I've run lots of sites and lots of traffic ... my womens sites bring me no more customer service requests than my mens sites. Chargebacks are the same, stupid questions are equal from both men and women ... when you give a woman an answer, often she'll reply with a nice friendly comment and will be eternally grateful ... i can't say the same for men .... IN MY EXPERIENCE


>>This is not what I think but rather what I KNOW.

No, its what YOU experienced. Not fact. Relevant to your business and the industry you are using as an example.

>>Many here know I run a extremly busy pay per minute computer helpline nationwide, 80% of calls related to I got cut off in middle talking to It did not help or lies like I never called are WOMEN! The funny part is we use Omnicron.com's digital phone recorder and play back to them the facts and then they hang up on the customer service rep who played it back!

sounds like a pain ... maybe you should try to figure out why you have so many customer support issues

>>I am not saying all women are like this im saying that anything with lots of women as customers will come with a huge pricetag on after sale support and customer service.

not in my experience ...

>>Stand for a few minutes in a busy store that men and women go to buy stuff, look who is coming in bitching and screaming non stop WOMEN, go to your local pharmacy local pizza store, anything they are always there screaming that the shampoo looked open, they need to talk with managers, and the pizza was cold and half cooked.

While your standing in that shop, add up how many of the transactions were made by women and how many were made by men. Who spends the money in the shop you are using as an example? about 70% women. THIS is a fact.

>>Im not a women hater at all, I am just saying if I had an option of getting involved in a business where I can select men or women as customers I would rather men.

I'm with xxxwebmistress ... i'm glad you have this opinion, it leaves more business for me ;-)

>>Read again what I wrote before jumping into PMS mode, thanks

EscortBiz, don't be so predictable ... men always say this when their argument is weak.



Here's a few FACTS based on running a womens paysite since july 1998


* The womens market does not make as much money in porn as the mens market. But, it makes more than 'midgets, pissing, brunettes/blondes/redheads, foot fetish, pregnant .... etc etc'

* Women are responsible for 70% of household financial decisions

* Women account for 50% of internet surfers

* Women are just as likely to purchase a porn subscription as men, there's just less of them looking for it and less available.

* Women are used to having things given to them for free. This is the ONLY relevant hurdle to marketing to women.

* Women are not all the same

* Women AREN'T gay men. Just because both like guys, doesn't make it the same.

* Adding a link to your general adult site which says 'ladies enter here' will add an income stream you didn't have before and men WILL NOT click on it ... those few who do will probably buy.

* This survey/poll has been rotating randomly with 10 others on a 404 page for 2 weeks ....

Women watching Porn

We know men watch porn at every given opportunity, but how often do the ladies sneak a peak at a blue movie?! Total votes: 159

[R106] I've never watched an adult movie in my life 15 9.43 %
[R107] I've watched a few with partners 48 30.19 %
[R108] Everytime he leaves the house I raid the collection! 31 19.50 %
[R109] I watch occasionally but remain unfulfilled 15 9.43 %
[R110] I watch adult movies to help me get in the mood 43 27.04 %
[R111] Porn ruined my marriage!!!!! 7 4.40 %


This thread is the same as all that came before it ... a small group of men who don't understand how to make money off something insist its impossible to do. Sorry boys, some of us have figured it out. If you don't want to play, its really not a problem ;-)

Jenny,
we have 6 sites for women and a wide range of banners and promo tools to assist you. our payout is $35 per free sale. My recommendation to you is to try a simple experiment first before spending time on building something specificly for women. A good experiment is adding a 'ladies enter here' link to the front of one of your general adult sites. If you need any assistance or advice, please feel free to contact either myself [email protected] or [email protected]. my icq is 3422430

PurveBucks

[EscortBiz]

My businesses are extremly successful and most here agree with me, no need to say shit about my biz or operation when you dont know what when where.

[cj_purve]

oh i'm sorry, i was under the impression you were saying 'shit' about MY business operation ... i obviously misunderstood your general bad attitude and ignorance towards the women's market.

[models]

well, i must say we have 32 paysites up and over half are what i would call "lesbian themed"---all high quality original content, niche type stuff, with a female positive perspective.

as such we get significant female purchasers (based on what i see coming in as female names on credit card orders)

perhaps 25-30% female orders.

and, the female (names) have the largest % of chargeback issues out of our fairly low chargeback total.

i wish i knew how to change this, but our experience seems to mirror the preceding poster.

i think we need to add more copy with the graphics---that's probably the first thing we need to do to address the problem---maybe girls just don't getoff like guys.

we don't market specifically to women---it's just that the gals signup; just wish they wouldn't charge back so much.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by models
well, i must say we have 32 paysites up and over half are what i would call "lesbian themed"---all high quality original content, niche type stuff, with a female positive perspective.

as such we get significant female purchasers (based on what i see coming in as female names on credit card orders)

perhaps 25-30% female orders.

and, the female (names) have the largest % of chargeback issues out of our fairly low chargeback total.

i wish i knew how to change this, but our experience seems to mirror the preceding poster.

i think we need to add more copy with the graphics---that's probably the first thing we need to do to address the problem---maybe girls just don't getoff like guys.

we don't market specifically to women---it's just that the gals signup; just wish they wouldn't charge back so much.

Know exactly what your talking about

[cj_purve]

models, i'd love to look at your female positive lesbian sites ... do you have a url I can visit?

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by models
well, i must say we have 32 paysites up and over half are what i would call "lesbian themed"---all high quality original content, niche type stuff, with a female positive perspective.

as such we get significant female purchasers (based on what i see coming in as female names on credit card orders)

perhaps 25-30% female orders.

and, the female (names) have the largest % of chargeback issues out of our fairly low chargeback total.

i wish i knew how to change this, but our experience seems to mirror the preceding poster.

i think we need to add more copy with the graphics---that's probably the first thing we need to do to address the problem---maybe girls just don't getoff like guys.

we don't market specifically to women---it's just that the gals signup; just wish they wouldn't charge back so much.

how many of those "woman's name on the card" are husbands using the wives credit card? that could be a reason for an inproportionate number of chagebacks.

[stocktrader23]

I don't make adult sites for women because I really don't think I could pick out the studs from the duds. Women pretty much know what turns men on (anything and everything) but I have the slightest idea what guy content women would be interested in. Have to hire me a woman to do that for me.

[susanna]

Originally posted by SykkBoy2


how many of those "woman's name on the card" are husbands using the wives credit card? that could be a reason for an inproportionate number of chagebacks.

Very Good Point! it also works the other way where those of us accepting credit cards on our 4 women sites are seeing a huge amount of male names ... so many women, especially older women, use a copy of their husbands credit card. Some do it ONLY to keep things simple. So when we are trying to figure out how much of our traffic might be gay or male (I have a couples sex paysite) we have no real way of knowing for sure.

I think cj is making her points with facts from the porn for women business and I think everyone reading this thread can tell that. Escortbiz has had other mileage in other areas and started off by atleast qualifying that but his/her arguement gets skewed with the stupid ass remarks like the pms one.

Marketing for women is harder ONLY FOR ONE REASON

YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY THINK

you have to actually do tests on the market and study your test market etc. All other businesses do this. Only in online porn is there a plethera of adult webmaster joints that are giving you all the information for free on how to make yourself a business marketing to men.

Sure the really successful male marketers are trying out some cutting edge marketing ideas and making big money when they find something that clicks but anyone can come in and market to men and have traffic to a site in 24 hours once they have read all about it on a webmaster board.

Marketing to men requires a bit more finesse, NO MORE CUSTOMER SERVICE, and some skill in making do with the crappy assed content that we have to purchase. Not only is it not up to grade but anything that is we all own it. One of the worst problems for all of us 4women marketers but we deal with it in imaginative and smart ways.

I know of atleast 15 4women marketers with money burning a hole in their pocket waiting on good content for women.

Susanna
4womenavs.com
couples-sex.com
fetishverify.com

[sextoyking]

Escort,

purvebucks and the sites within convert pretty dang well from what I have seen.

Purve.com is long established in the market, thousands and thousands of women and men customers. Why don't you give http://www.purvebucks.com a try and see how your traffic does.

only thing that matters is your numbers, sales, etc. Alot of times you will find that for women sites rebill much longer that normal sites out there.

todd

[Lexxx]

Easiest thing ever... have a photo of Enreqie Iglesias plastered all over the website and women will sign up no matter what you sell...

[Groove]

Hey Jenny, please e-mail me at webmaster at carnalia.com, I'm about to launch several major women-friendly sites. Maybe we can help each other in some way?

[Sarah_Jayne]

don't forget that women buy products more then men. So, sex toys sell well and with us at Wishing.com our breast pills and weight loss products sell very well indeed to women.

Plus if you send 10 sales email me on the 10th at [email protected] and we will send you are free Xbox or $200 if you are outside of USA and Canada.

The point is that women are different then men and all these men writing them off have most likely tried to promote to them in the same ways that they have promoted to men. Well, hello.

[grumpy]

when you look at the signups at all these mentioned "women" sites you will see that 85% is done by men. Same as in lesbian chatboxes, there is always a % men in there. If you wanna start a "pay" site for women you have to come with some pretty pretty good stuff. My advice, build a site for women, adress it to woman and advertise it on mens sites. The only succesfull sites for women are ,horoscope, chat, and sites about hobbys.
jusy my

[LiveDose]

EscortBiz for president!