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Jakez · 03-09-2012, 03:09 PM

99.99% of your (skim) traffic registers 00:00:00 time on site, 100% bounce, 100% exit, etc. Why?

Maybe you should try doing something about this and people won't complain that it's fake traffic AND you can probably sell it for more and double/triple your income.

Why you and your publishers purposely turn US visitors into shit traffic is beyond me. You are like the Paul Markhams of traffic selling. Come on already, it's 2012 can't you revamp the system or something?

MKA · 03-09-2012, 03:15 PM

It has nothing to do with trafficbrokers.
It is me who sends my fucking shit traffic to trafficbrokers and you buying it.

You think i'm gonna send them my good converting traffic to them? Are you nuts ?

2MuchMark · 03-09-2012, 03:17 PM

Don't buy skim!

ravo · 03-09-2012, 03:44 PM

Here's a recent screenshot from a customer who was buying our *excess* (cheapest) skimmed traffic...

The numbers aren't bad for traffic that sells in the $1/K range, certainly better than you describe.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Don't buy skim!

I buy skim and just eventually filter out the nonsense from being sent to me and the rest can convert. But I really don't understand why nearly every bit of it is like this. There is a difference between shit traffic and traffic that doesn't even register and looks suspicious.

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Originally Posted by ravo

Here's a recent screenshot from a customer who was buying our *excess* (cheapest) skimmed traffic...

The numbers aren't bad for traffic that sells in the $1/K range, certainly better than you describe.

Is that your traffic or traffic from fpc? Where is the advertiser part of fpctraffic anyway? I can't find it.. I know I have an account already.

ravo · 03-09-2012, 03:56 PM

That's traffic from fpc, from our publsiher's network

beerptrol · 03-09-2012, 03:59 PM

if I'm on a tranny midget gangbang site and I click and get sent to a vanilla site, I'm closing that window instantly

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

if I'm on a tranny midget gangbang site and I click and get sent to a vanilla site, I'm closing that window instantly

That shouldn't really be happening. Sure it does though. But it's kind of besides the point. If I buy thousands of uniques and not a single one even does 00:00:01 that is highly suspicious no matter the source, landing page, etc.

Usually there's at least 1-2 domains in the mix that will send some traffic that registers, so if you simply look at the stats for your landing page in analytics it will appear that the traffic has some stats to look at, I guess the brokers do not think anyone will look at the list of domains sending the traffic and notice that 99.99% of them are 00:00:00 and one domain sent 20 uniques that did 00:01:20 so overall the traffic did like 00:00:30? There is no reason for that shit and I think we deserve a solid answer besides "your landing page sucks". People buy this traffic and complain that it doesn't convert but they don't even realize that it's much worse than "it doesn't convert", IT DOESN'T EVEN REGISTER, sorry brokers not every buyer is this naive.

beerptrol · 03-09-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

That shouldn't really be happening. Sure it does though. But it's kind of besides the point. If I buy thousands of uniques and not a single one even does 00:00:01 that is highly suspicious no matter the source, landing page, etc.

Usually there's at least 1-2 domains in the mix that will send some traffic that registers, so if you simply look at the stats for your landing page in analytics it will appear that the traffic has some stats to look at, I guess the brokers do not think anyone will look at the list of domains sending the traffic and notice that 99.99% of them are 00:00:00 and one domain sent 20 uniques that did 00:01:20 so overall the traffic did like 00:00:30? There is no reason for that shit and I think we deserve a solid answer besides "your landing page sucks".

couldn't you then contact the broker and tell them you don't want traffic from those domains, and keep fine tuning until you get a list of good domains sending you decent traffic?

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

couldn't you then contact the broker and tell them you don't want traffic from those domains, and keep fine tuning until you get a list of good domains sending you decent traffic?

That's what I do already. But I'm looking for an explanation about this 00:00:00 traffic. If 1,000 uniques from Uganda are sent to a page that does not accept it, a handful of those uniques are still going to register because that's just how shit works. But I buy thousands of targeted US traffic and NOT A SINGLE one even does 00:00:01? That's ridiculous.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

That's what I do already. But I'm looking for an explanation about this 00:00:00 traffic. If 1,000 uniques from Uganda are sent to a page that does not accept it, a handful of those uniques are still going to register because that's just how shit works. But I buy thousands of targeted US traffic and NOT A SINGLE one even does 00:00:01? That's ridiculous.

What do you want someone to tell you? That's because it is fake. Check some of the large networks selling traffic and see where their traffic is coming from yourself. Do an in-depth search. Run your own tests on this traffic you are getting and it will open your eyes. Most of these brokers are better off keeping their mouths shut and allowing these people to stay in their system because there are people still willing to buy it. As long as that happens things will never change.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

What do you want someone to tell you? That's because it is fake. Check some of the large networks selling traffic and see where their traffic is coming from yourself. Do an in-depth search. Run your own tests on this traffic you are getting and it will open your eyes. Most of these brokers are better off keeping their mouths shut and allowing these people to stay in their system because there are people still willing to buy it. As long as that happens things will never change.

I have done a lot of tests on it and examined it in-depth. Are you saying they are able to fool Analytics and plant fake data for every stat as well as spread it out realistically compared to real data for every given niche, country, etc? If this were true then there would 100x more traffic brokers and they would send a hell of a lot more traffic. I don't believe the traffic is fake, just distributed in a very suspicious way.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

I have done a lot of tests on it and examined it in-depth. Are you saying they are able to fool Analytics and plant fake data for every stat as well as spread it out realistically compared to real data for every given niche, country, etc? If this were true then there would 100x more traffic brokers and they would send a hell of a lot more traffic. I don't believe the traffic is fake, just distributed in a very suspicious way.

GA is javascript based. This means client side. Someone with brains and motivation can fake it, so yes. It's mistake to fully rely on it. Like I said you have to look a little deeper than that to have your eyes opened.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

GA is javascript based. This means client side. Someone with brains and motivation can fake it, so yes. It's mistake to fully rely on it. Like I said you have to look a little deeper than that to have your eyes opened.

Well I have made sales despite the 00:00:00 stats, not sure how or why a bot would join a paysite, or how they made it from my landing page to the sponsor without at least showing 00:00:01. But 99% of the traffic does not show up in sponsor stats so that and the 00:00:00 is my reason for the thread.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Well I have made sales despite the 00:00:00 stats, not sure how or why a bot would join a paysite, or how they made it from my landing page to the sponsor without at least showing 00:00:01. But 99% of the traffic does not show up in sponsor stats so that and the 00:00:00 is my reason for the thread.

I'm not saying all of it is fake just a portion of it. If you're satisfied with the sales then there is no problem.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 06:20 PM

No, there is still 99.99% of a problem.

nextri · 03-09-2012, 06:36 PM

buy from plugrush.. problem solved..

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nextri

buy from plugrush.. problem solved..

No, just checked analytics again and the problem still there.

Lol, is there any way for me to get traffic from plugrush besides the plugs? I want to use a banner but it seems like you're only allowed to use gallery thumbs.. I need to get a message across in a banner not just a bunch of clicks on a hot girl..?

gabe100 · 03-09-2012, 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=Jakez;18814001]99.99% of your (skim) traffic registers 00:00:00 time on site, 100% bounce, 100% exit, etc. Why?

damn i've seen high bounce rates but never that high, also seen some low times on site but never that low... good luck!

ravo · 03-09-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Where is the advertiser part of fpctraffic anyway? I can't find it.. I know I have an account already.

Oops, missed that. Log in to your account at http://buy.fpctraffic.com/stats/

signupdamnit · 03-09-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

No, there is still 99.99% of a problem.

Then listen to what I told you.

I'm not just making things up. Test the traffic more beyond GA. Put some thought into it and you'll be able to figure out a few ways to see what is real and what isn't. You need to be a step ahead of them. I can't give out all my secrets for free.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Then listen to what I told you.

I'm not just making things up. Test the traffic more beyond GA. Put some thought into it and you'll be able to figure out a few ways to see what is real and what isn't. You need to be a step ahead of them. I can't give out all my secrets for free.

So why don't you post proof of it being fake so they can be banned from here for scamming people?

GFED · 03-09-2012, 07:53 PM

have you ever investigated the source of traffic from most of these brokers? if you look deep enough you will find that the main source of traffic from most of them are... 100% Circle Jerk sites with tons of popups. Thumbnails including Beastiality, Child Porn (technically "Art" photos of nude 12 and 13 yr olds from MET's older content), Incest, Rape, Scat.

It's not a surprise when they reach a "clean" site from someone that just bought traffic they just close the page.

DBS.US · 03-09-2012, 07:58 PM

Pick a traffic broker, buy some traffic and post results. Name Names

signupdamnit · 03-09-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

So why don't you post proof of it being fake so they can be banned from here for scamming people?

They technically may not exactly be scamming anyone. They are buying hits from people who are scamming or recieving fake hits themselves and they are either choosing not to be more discriminating in accepting traffic or they are not competent enough to know how to improve things. In some cases they are mainly guilty of inaction. It's your job in the end to make sure you aren't being screwed. Buyer beware.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

They technically may not exactly be scamming anyone. They are buying hits from people who are scamming or recieving fake hits themselves and they are either choosing not to be more discriminating in accepting traffic or they are not competent enough to know how to improve things. In some cases they are mainly guilty of inaction. It's your job in the end to make sure you aren't being screwed. Buyer beware.

Yeah, I'm sure they're being scammed out of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars because they don't realize they're being sent fake traffic even though they've been professionally selling traffic for over a decade.. umm, no lol.

baryl · 03-09-2012, 10:50 PM

I have yet to see a traffic broker that gives two fucks about enforcing their own rules for publishers.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by baryl

I have yet to see a traffic broker that gives two fucks about enforcing their own rules for publishers.

I highly doubt they're paying people for fake traffic..

signupdamnit · 03-09-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Yeah, I'm sure they're being scammed out of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars because they don't realize they're being sent fake traffic even though they've been professionally selling traffic for over a decade.. umm, no lol.

I don't see why you are being so confrontational with me. I was only trying to help you and answer your question.

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Now check these:

http://www.master-x.com/forum/topics/75301/page/1225/
http://www.ask************/f14/ricsporn-com-53014/
http://www.master-x.com/forum/topics/75301/page/1250/

Then go to http://cjwebmasters.com/ and type in "funwithporns.com" and decide for yourself what the probability is that most of those clicks are real. It's nothing unique to Juicy Ads and nothing bad on them. Don't think it is or take this in that way. You can easily find the same with other traffic sources too. You don't have to listen to me if you don't want to. It doesn't matter to me. Have a good weekend.

Jakez · 03-09-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I don't see why you are being so confrontational with me. I was only trying to help you and answer your question.

Check this out. http://www.juicyads.com/juicysites.php?id=29630

Now check these:

http://www.master-x.com/forum/topics/75301/page/1225/
http://www.ask************/f14/ricsporn-com-53014/
http://www.master-x.com/forum/topics/75301/page/1250/

Then go to http://cjwebmasters.com/ and type in "funwithporns.com" and decide for yourself what the probability is that most of those clicks are real. It's nothing unique to Juicy Ads and nothing bad on them. Don't think it is or take this in that way. You can easily find the same with other traffic sources too. You don't have to listen to me if you don't want to. It doesn't matter to me. Have a good weekend.

Wow, don't have time yet to check all of that out but first thing I noticed is that opening funwithporns.com from JuicyAds page would open their site and then somehow redirect the juicyads tab to some place. Fucking weird, never seen something like that before..

And I wasn't trying to be confrontational, just trying to have a discussion on all this shit that's going on and hopefully learn something. And now I have, thanks.

baryl · 03-09-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

I highly doubt they're paying people for fake traffic..

It's not "fake" necessarily but, for example, there are a TON of garbage sites with stupidly inflated Alexa ratings that force you to click an ad before watching a fake movie which of course brings 3 or 4 more popunders that the surfer furiously tries to close.
Not fake like a hitbot but tremendously low quality.

u-Bob · 03-10-2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by baryl

I have yet to see a traffic broker that gives two fucks about enforcing their own rules for publishers.

Every time I've reported a shady seller to TrafficHolder, they have taken immediate action.

pornmasta · 03-10-2012, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

99.99% of your (skim) traffic registers 00:00:00 time on site, 100% bounce, 100% exit, etc. Why?

Maybe you should try doing something about this and people won't complain that it's fake traffic AND you can probably sell it for more and double/triple your income.

$0 *3=0

ravo · 03-10-2012, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by baryl

I have yet to see a traffic broker that gives two fucks about enforcing their own rules for publishers.

Then you haven't looked around enough. I have regular discussion with other traffic sellers about cheating and rogue publishers. It's not in any traffic sellers long-term interest to have hit-bots and shitty traffic in their system.

03-09-2012, 03:09 PM	#1
Jakez Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oddfuturewolfgangkillthemall!!!!!!! Posts: 5,656	Dear traffic brokers 99.99% of your (skim) traffic registers 00:00:00 time on site, 100% bounce, 100% exit, etc. Why? Maybe you should try doing something about this and people won't complain that it's fake traffic AND you can probably sell it for more and double/triple your income. Why you and your publishers purposely turn US visitors into shit traffic is beyond me. You are like the Paul Markhams of traffic selling. Come on already, it's 2012 can't you revamp the system or something? __________________ [email protected] - jakezdumb - 573689400 Killuminati

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ravo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Skype: ravo.fpctraffic Posts: 5,439	Here's a recent screenshot from a customer who was buying our excess (cheapest) skimmed traffic... The numbers aren't bad for traffic that sells in the $1/K range, certainly better than you describe. __________________ AdultAdBroker - Buy and Sell Your Flat Rate Banners, Links, Tabs, Pops, Email Clicks and Members' Area Traffic - updated June 2025

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MKA Hey... Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: NL Posts: 548	It has nothing to do with trafficbrokers. It is me who sends my fucking shit traffic to trafficbrokers and you buying it. You think i'm gonna send them my good converting traffic to them? Are you nuts ?

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gabe100 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 459	[QUOTE=Jakez;18814001]99.99% of your (skim) traffic registers 00:00:00 time on site, 100% bounce, 100% exit, etc. Why? damn i've seen high bounce rates but never that high, also seen some low times on site but never that low... good luck!

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GFED Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8,098	have you ever investigated the source of traffic from most of these brokers? if you look deep enough you will find that the main source of traffic from most of them are... 100% Circle Jerk sites with tons of popups. Thumbnails including Beastiality, Child Porn (technically "Art" photos of nude 12 and 13 yr olds from MET's older content), Incest, Rape, Scat. It's not a surprise when they reach a "clean" site from someone that just bought traffic they just close the page. __________________ https://www.flow.page/savethechildren

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