is lending books same as piracy

[Fletch XXX]

I have friend who owns a book publishing company and he sees lending books the same as you do content.

Lending someone a book cuts down his sales bcuz most only read a book once so no chance of sale after free read.

Do you borrow or lend books or DVDs? Do you consider this same as giving away your content?

[B.Barnato]

Mind = Blown

[Nautilus]

Lending physical books and disks is legal. Sharing them for free is legal too if you're doing it within the "immediate cirle of family and friends".

[x-rate]

Lol so in example let say my girlfriend and I want read the same book we should buy 2? Would look great to have all book in 2 copy in the librairy. Ask him where would be the line? And what he think habout saving trees?

[Fletch XXX]

But does it hurt sales and one could use that analogy with a membership to a porn site.if I buy membership I can let my immediate friends n family login.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by x-rate

Lol so in example let say my girlfriend and I want read the same book we should buy 2? Would look great to have all book in 2 copy in the librairy. Ask him where would be the line? And what he think habout saving trees?

Well when you look at it from his view... Yes.

You purchase one... Its for you... Not to give away.... When we buy software we get one copy and if we need more we buy licebse for more.

If it was your product you might see it his way.

[pornmasta]

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

But does it hurt sales and one could use that analogy with a membership to a porn site.if I buy membership I can let my immediate friends n family login.

No you can't. But you can share with your buddies a flash drive with the movies you downloaded.

[Fletch XXX]

Aint that what they do on porn trading forums? Lol

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Aint that what they do on porn trading forums? Lol

No, they're "sharing" it with the entire world which is far from the "immediate circle of family and friends".

[Sly]

He must hate libraries.

The introduction of the computer killed the typewriter industry. Today we drive cars instead of a horse and buggy. Cell phones are running over the landline industry.

Evolution before our eyes.

[Fletch XXX]

Gotcha and I agree... off topic now though. This is about whether sharing ones product is similar to piracy.

The simple debate could be yes if it butts sales it is the same. If someone gets your product without paying it is similar... if you own something you always feel the loss.

[scuba steve]

Originally Posted by Sly

He must hate libraries.

The introduction of the computer killed the typewriter industry. Today we drive cars instead of a horse and buggy. Cell phones are running over the landline industry.

Evolution before our eyes.

libraries are tube sites

[SmokeyTheBear]

2 people cant share the same book at the same time

[DWB]

What if you have some friends over to watch a movie you just bought on DVD? Now the friends saw the movie and they don't have to buy it.

Lending books..... that's hard. We don't allow people to "lend" their passwords to other people. That said, if I have a book in my house and my GF wants to read it, of course she can. Same with watching my movies. There are no sales lost here because there is no way she would buy the same thing living under the same roof.

But your friends.... yea, that's difficult. You're not copying the book and giving or selling it away to many people, like what happens with normal piracy, but you are costing the seller one possible sale, maybe. But how many people lend books to lots of people? If I think of it like a password, I really don't care if a guy shares his password with ONE person. Big deal. But if he posts it online for everyone to have, then we have a problem. If I owned a book store, I'd probably feel the same way. Lend it to a friend, OK. Copy it and mass distribute it, you're a pirate.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

libraries are tube sites

Only the ones who have legal licensed videos.

But say the library staff went to Barnes & Noble and stole all their books, taking them back to their library so people can check them out. Then you don't have a legit library. In fact, if they got caught, they would all be arrested and the library closed. That's what you have with 99% of the tube sites, minus the legal stuff.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Lending physical books and disks is legal. Sharing them for free is legal too if you're doing it within the "immediate cirle of family and friends".

Well according to ACTA sharing with your family is piracy lololol

[baryl]

Lending a physical, original book, I don't think so.
File sharing online is more like going to a copy machine, making copies of the book and distrusting it which has always been a copyright violation and nothing new to the internet age.

[Operator]

Obviously

[DWB]

If I lend my car to someone for a few days does that mean the auto dealer lost a sale?

How about my grill?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Well according to ACTA sharing with your family is piracy lololol

Who made that, Gideon Gallbladder?

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by DWB

Who made that, Gideon Gallbladder?

LOLOLOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement

[pornmasta]

Can i lend a video game ?

[Fletch XXX]

If I published boks id be against loaning them.

For example I buy a lot of books and always try to buy used before new...this clearly,hurts publishers but I dont want to pay 40 for sonething I can get for 5

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I have friend who owns a book publishing company and he sees lending books the same as you do content.

Lending someone a book cuts down his sales bcuz most only read a book once so no chance of sale after free read.

Do you borrow or lend books or DVDs? Do you consider this same as giving away your content?

I don't know if you've thought of this...but there's a big difference between lending a physical book to your circle of friends and family, and sharing a file on the internet which can be downloaded by an unlimited number of people.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

If I published boks id be against loaning them.

For example I buy a lot of books and always try to buy used before new...this clearly,hurts publishers but I dont want to pay 40 for sonething I can get for 5

Alot of things hurt sales but only a small fraction of them is illegal - such as posting a copy of a book online without permission. Lending hardcopies of books and disks, as well as reselling them (a hard copy) IS legal, it has been established in courts long ago. Yes is hurts sales but publishers have to swallow it because the law permits such things. But selling digital copies of books and disks is NOT legal, as well as sharing them free on an internet site.

[PornoMonster]

What if I lend my GF? Is that cutting down on the escort sites?

[LiveDose]

What other interesting thoughts are going on in his head?

[L-Pink]

So my local library is like a file-locker for books?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

No, they're "sharing" it with the entire world which is far from the "immediate circle of family and friends".

Pretty sure I can mail a book to whoever the fuck I want should I decide to let them borrow it.

Just saying.

The reason it becomes trouble online is they consider uploading a file "publishing".

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So my local library is like a file-locker for books?

that's why they are closing them.

[stocktrader23]

First sale doctrine, if you buy content from someone (yes even online) you have the right to sell it. You just can't sell it or give it away 500000 times.

[baryl]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So my local library is like a file-locker for books?

The library loans out the original book, not copies of that book. If they only have one copy of War and Peace, 100,000 people can't walk into the library and all check out that book at the same time.

The whole ting is kind of difficult to compare to digital media since there is no original copy.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by baryl

The library loans out the original book, not copies of that book. If they only have one copy of War and Peace, 100,000 people can't walk into the library and all check out that book at the same time.

The whole ting is kind of difficult to compare to digital media since there is no original copy.

I guarantee you that you can "loan out" digital media in the same way you loan a book. If you loaned out / sold / gave away your copy to one person then deleted it from your computer you would not get in trouble even if sued. Those laws have been there for a long time.

[stocktrader23]

I would even wager that if you allow video downloads in your members area and someone joined, downloaded everything and sold them one at a time to single persons only that they would win in court.

Just wait until the surfers figure that one out.

[woj]

I don't think anyone has the answer to this...
but it really it is the same concept, the only difference is the scale...

some people bring up the argument that it's legal in the physical world because only one person can use it at a time, but so what if lets say someone ran a tube site that allowed only one viewer to watch a given movie at a time? In that case there is one "copy" of the work, and only one person can enjoy it a time, making it no different than sharing physical media?

[Hentaikid]

In the UK libraries pay a royalty fee to authors for each loan, it's like 10% of the value of a sale royalty, but it adds up and then they cut a check to the author every year or so.

As in several other countries, here in the UK we have a thing called the Public Lending Right. PLR is a small pot of cash distributed annually to authors who have registered books that are loaned out via British libraries. This is compensation for sales lost to library loans. It's not a huge pot, and the disbursement is relatively small: it was 6.29 pence (£0.0629) per loan prior to February 2010, and there was a ceiling on payouts — both Terry Pratchett and J. J. Rowling stood to take home no more than £6600 each. To put it in perspective, the royalty an author receives for the sale of a £7.99 paperback is on the order of 60p, or the equivalent of ten loans under the scheme.

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog.../01/shame.html

[Trolleater]

Fletch, do you lay awake at night coming up with this stuff?

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Lending physical books and disks is legal. Sharing them for free is legal too if you're doing it within the "immediate cirle of family and friends".

want to point out the section of the act that says so

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

No, they're "sharing" it with the entire world which is far from the "immediate circle of family and friends".

.. and what does a library do ?

[CaptainHowdy]

I don't lend my books to anyone ...

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I guarantee you that you can "loan out" digital media in the same way you loan a book. If you loaned out / sold / gave away your copy to one person then deleted it from your computer you would not get in trouble even if sued. Those laws have been there for a long time.

Our library here loans out digital copies through an app called Overdrive. It's pretty awesome and there are waiting lists for some titles sometimes so there are limits on what they loan out.

[DBS.US]

Is it wrong to rent a DVD?

[baryl]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

Is it wrong to rent a DVD?

There's been a recent trend of having rental versions of Blu-Rays and ownership versions. The rental versions have the special features locked out among other things.

Similar things with video games such as no online play with rental or used versions.

[candyflip]

I just did a quick Google search and found this:

10,000 Kindle books in one 8gb torrent. Holy shit.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6527926/

[Trolleater]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I just did a quick Google search and found this:

10,000 Kindle books in one 8gb torrent. Holy shit.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6527926/

Thanks for the download link

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

if I buy membership I can let my immediate friends n family login.

If I see multiple logins from different IPs your membership would not last very long.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I guarantee you that you can "loan out" digital media in the same way you loan a book. If you loaned out / sold / gave away your copy to one person then deleted it from your computer you would not get in trouble even if sued. Those laws have been there for a long time.

actually that wrong

the laws are seriously fucked up in their current wording

shit like this should be perfectly legal

but to make it legal companies who implement technology are going to have to prove to a judge that it meets the 4 conditions of fair use



http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/...music-business

[epitome]

You can only share a book one person at a time.

You can do upload a video and millions can view it whenever they want.

Hardly the same thing.

Now if someone makes a PDF of your friends book and uploads it, that is a problem.

[halfpint]

Fletch you are right, sharing a book with somebody else is depriving the publishers/ authors of money, even the gaming people are trying to stop the buying and selling or sharing of used games.

Check this out

I was wathcing BBC Click and they were talking about the next generation of games consoles will not allow you to use a used game on them. Shops who buy and sell/rent second hand games are taking money away from the people who make the games


How next-generation consoles may eliminate the used gaming market

While internal teams at Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are all hard at work designing and revising new console hardware, at least one next-generation console manufacturer may implement a way to kill used game sales faster than digital downloads.

Gaming publishers have already been fighting the used game market by locking content within the game until a a one-time use code is entered. This allows publishers like Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment to lock Catwoman’s single player narrative within Batman: Arkham City or Electronic Arts to require a code to enable the multiplayer portion of Battlefield 3. Any consumer that purchases a used copy of these games from retailers or other sources is at the mercy of the publisher in regards to the amount of additional money spent on digital codes.

the full story here

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/...gaming-market/

Dosent matter how you share content whether its a book a game or a dvd or something else it is still piracy and you are taking money from the publishers ect..