misleading whois information on domain - GoFuckYourself.com

sacX · 02-05-2003, 06:06 PM

I own a few domains, and i have a telephone number that is incorrect. The reason for this is that I live in New Zealand and people don't seem to appreciate there is a time difference and will call at all hours (actually most of my domains have my cell #, but this one didn't).

Some other details on the domain are also wrong, but the email has always worked.

Is this so wrong? I have been harrased by this newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.sightings sending emails to my registrar to try and get my domains revoked, i've had a guy go to a post shop to try and verify owner of my pox box. The didn't bother trying to politely email me first before they did this.

I emailed this guy who went to the post office, and asked what business of his was it, he seems indigant that I invited this by having false whois information. He insists this is the only reason he's doing this I hadn't even done anything to any of these
guys.

Here is some of the correspondence:
http://www.anystop.com/lawson.txt
http://www.anystop.com/lawson2.txt
http://www.anystop.com/lawson3.txt
http://www.anystop.com/lawson4.txt

so question is, am I so out of line here? is trying to protect my privacy so wrong ( i know it's against ICANN T+C) , or is he in my opinion and his own sarcastic opinion a net-nazi.

vegasdude · 02-05-2003, 06:18 PM

new sheriff in town!

exspamr · 02-05-2003, 06:24 PM

guess he has nothing better to do with his time... loser

rooster · 02-05-2003, 06:29 PM

could this be backlash for being a hardcore spammer?

sacX · 02-05-2003, 06:38 PM

rooster,

no it's not. I bought a domain that used to be used by a russian spammer (apparently).. i have asked repeatedly what I have done, but there is no mention of any spam (because I haven't done any).

he was alerted because the domain used to be owned by a spammer, now he realises that he got it wrong he is fixated that it's purely about the whois info..

Of course it would make sense if I had been a hardcore spammer.

The guy who started it all just emailed my abuse@registrars complaining about it again..

Try and visualise what you think this guy would look like, and how and what his website would be like..

Now see how close it matches

http://www.fastlink.com

Mr.Fiction · 02-05-2003, 06:43 PM

Buying domains previously owned by scammers can be a nightmare.

Idiots won't believe you, even when you show them the registration date.

Wait until your bandwidth provider decides that they don't believe you, even when the new registration date is right there in WHOIS. It happens.

Des · 02-05-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sacX

Is this so wrong? I have been harrased by this newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.sightings sending emails to my registrar to try and get my domains revoked, i've had a guy go to a post shop to try and verify owner of my pox box. The didn't bother trying to politely email me first before they did this.

Not to sure if this is what your looking for but something like this happened to me not long ago and heres the info I got!

The validity of the information in the WHOIS database is
important to us. Therefore, upon notification of inaccurate
or unreliable contact information, Network Solutions, will
take reasonable steps to investigate that claim.

It is the responsibility of the domain name registrant to
maintain current information. It is possible however, that
the registrant does not realize that there is an error in
their contact information. We will notify the registrant
and request that the information be updated appropriately.

If you are the registrant or the domain name's guardian and
would like to make changes to your domain name record, please
visit our Web site at http://www.networksolutions.com and click
the "Account Manager" tab.

If you have encountered what you believe to be inaccurate or
unreliable contact information, we ask that you provide us with
evidence of this information. This evidence would consist of a
copy of the returned postal mail. Please fax the returned mail
to 703-668-7831, Attn: Breach of Contract. Once approved, Network
Solutions, will initiate a formal investigation.

Best regards,

Niccolo001
Network Solutions, Inc.
http://www.networksolutions.com

vegasdude · 02-05-2003, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Des

Not to sure if this is what your looking for but something like this happened to me not long ago and heres the info I got!

The validity of the information in the WHOIS database is
important to us. Therefore, upon notification of inaccurate
or unreliable contact information, Network Solutions, will
take reasonable steps to investigate that claim.

It is the responsibility of the domain name registrant to
maintain current information. It is possible however, that
the registrant does not realize that there is an error in
their contact information. We will notify the registrant
and request that the information be updated appropriately.

If you are the registrant or the domain name's guardian and
would like to make changes to your domain name record, please
visit our Web site at http://www.networksolutions.com and click
the "Account Manager" tab.

If you have encountered what you believe to be inaccurate or
unreliable contact information, we ask that you provide us with
evidence of this information. This evidence would consist of a
copy of the returned postal mail. Please fax the returned mail
to 703-668-7831, Attn: Breach of Contract. Once approved, Network
Solutions, will initiate a formal investigation.

Best regards,

Niccolo001
Network Solutions, Inc.
http://www.networksolutions.com

damn!

sacX · 02-05-2003, 09:26 PM

looks like they can't really do shit, but they sure can complain and waste registries time a lot.

twistyneck · 02-05-2003, 09:34 PM

GoDaddy has the option to make your information private. Maybe your registrar can do the same thing.

psyko514 · 02-05-2003, 09:42 PM

A lot of registrars are offering private registration now.
Transfer to them.

Thomas N · 02-05-2003, 11:54 PM

In letter #3, he mentions spammers, and from the context I get the feeling it is a real sore issue for the guy. He's full of shit in saying he is just doing it to get the records correct. He's either after you because of spam or something else.

My guess is he's an antispammer crusader and he's looking to bust your chops. That or he somehow feels he is a victim of some other business activity associated with your domain.

He's trying to play dumb with you and get you to correct your information for a reason. Because his agenda is to find out your real name, real address, real phone numbers etc etc.

Why is he doing that? Hard to say, my guess is he wants to harrass you, intimidate you, maybe serve you legal papers?

inthestars · 02-06-2003, 12:02 AM

Since you have all his personal info, tell him that you'll report him to his employer for stalking you online.

That guy is an asshole, too bad he has so much time on his hands.

Mr.Fiction · 02-06-2003, 12:04 AM

He doesn't need a reason to get your domain deleted for false whois information. It is required that you have all accurate information in whois. They don't need any reason to make you update the information and if you don't update it, they can delete it without your consent. It's just the rules.

Rochard · 02-06-2003, 12:09 AM

Get a second phone number and route to an answering machine.

We had one guy a couple of weeks ago who just had all kinds of issues with us. He claimed to be an attorney, and had an email from a law firm in Southern Cailifornia. So, I called their office and asked to speak to their personal manager. I told her... A few lies.... and found out this guy was a clerk, not an attorney. Later that day she called me back and told me he was sent home for a week without pay. Opps.

monro · 02-06-2003, 12:14 AM

Quote:

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so question is, am I so out of line here? is trying to protect my privacy so wrong ( i know it's against ICANN T+C) , or is he in my opinion and his own sarcastic opinion a net-nazi. [/B]

We had the same problem.

Solution:
We bougt a mail forwarding service and are using that info to feed whois.

Kick Ass Chat · 02-06-2003, 12:47 AM

You bought a domain from a russian spammer ????

UncleJimmy · 02-06-2003, 12:54 AM

Wasn't there some law being attempted to be passed on that here in the US?

What ever happend to that....

sacX · 02-06-2003, 02:14 AM

Swordfish:
He's definitely an anti-spam crusader, but he's insistent that it's just because the whois information is incorrect. He assumed that I'd been involved in spam, and now that he realises i wasn't can't find the courage to go back and say he was wrong.

Although from his emails he is pretty insistent that it was purely about the whois.

I just really don't want to change my whois because it will feel like they've won

here's the last and what sounds like final installment from him
http://www.anystop.com/lawson5.txt

I like how he mentions calling the Police on me, and how he can't see how he's a net-nazi

02-05-2003, 06:06 PM	#1
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	misleading whois information on domain I own a few domains, and i have a telephone number that is incorrect. The reason for this is that I live in New Zealand and people don't seem to appreciate there is a time difference and will call at all hours (actually most of my domains have my cell #, but this one didn't). Some other details on the domain are also wrong, but the email has always worked. Is this so wrong? I have been harrased by this newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.sightings sending emails to my registrar to try and get my domains revoked, i've had a guy go to a post shop to try and verify owner of my pox box. The didn't bother trying to politely email me first before they did this. I emailed this guy who went to the post office, and asked what business of his was it, he seems indigant that I invited this by having false whois information. He insists this is the only reason he's doing this I hadn't even done anything to any of these guys. Here is some of the correspondence: http://www.anystop.com/lawson.txt http://www.anystop.com/lawson2.txt http://www.anystop.com/lawson3.txt http://www.anystop.com/lawson4.txt so question is, am I so out of line here? is trying to protect my privacy so wrong ( i know it's against ICANN T+C) , or is he in my opinion and his own sarcastic opinion a net-nazi.

02-05-2003, 06:18 PM	#2
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02-05-2003, 06:24 PM	#3
exspamr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,427	guess he has nothing better to do with his time... loser

02-05-2003, 06:29 PM	#4
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	could this be backlash for being a hardcore spammer?

02-05-2003, 06:38 PM	#5
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	rooster, no it's not. I bought a domain that used to be used by a russian spammer (apparently).. i have asked repeatedly what I have done, but there is no mention of any spam (because I haven't done any). he was alerted because the domain used to be owned by a spammer, now he realises that he got it wrong he is fixated that it's purely about the whois info.. Of course it would make sense if I had been a hardcore spammer. The guy who started it all just emailed my abuse@registrars complaining about it again.. Try and visualise what you think this guy would look like, and how and what his website would be like.. Now see how close it matches http://www.fastlink.com

02-05-2003, 06:43 PM	#6
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Buying domains previously owned by scammers can be a nightmare. Idiots won't believe you, even when you show them the registration date. Wait until your bandwidth provider decides that they don't believe you, even when the new registration date is right there in WHOIS. It happens.

02-05-2003, 09:26 PM	#9
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	looks like they can't really do shit, but they sure can complain and waste registries time a lot.

02-05-2003, 09:34 PM	#10
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	GoDaddy has the option to make your information private. Maybe your registrar can do the same thing.

02-05-2003, 11:54 PM	#12
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	In letter #3, he mentions spammers, and from the context I get the feeling it is a real sore issue for the guy. He's full of shit in saying he is just doing it to get the records correct. He's either after you because of spam or something else. My guess is he's an antispammer crusader and he's looking to bust your chops. That or he somehow feels he is a victim of some other business activity associated with your domain. He's trying to play dumb with you and get you to correct your information for a reason. Because his agenda is to find out your real name, real address, real phone numbers etc etc. Why is he doing that? Hard to say, my guess is he wants to harrass you, intimidate you, maybe serve you legal papers?

02-06-2003, 12:02 AM	#13
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	Since you have all his personal info, tell him that you'll report him to his employer for stalking you online. That guy is an asshole, too bad he has so much time on his hands.

02-06-2003, 12:04 AM	#14
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	He doesn't need a reason to get your domain deleted for false whois information. It is required that you have all accurate information in whois. They don't need any reason to make you update the information and if you don't update it, they can delete it without your consent. It's just the rules.

02-06-2003, 12:47 AM	#17
Kick Ass Chat Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,057	You bought a domain from a russian spammer ????

02-06-2003, 02:14 AM	#19
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	Swordfish: He's definitely an anti-spam crusader, but he's insistent that it's just because the whois information is incorrect. He assumed that I'd been involved in spam, and now that he realises i wasn't can't find the courage to go back and say he was wrong. Although from his emails he is pretty insistent that it was purely about the whois. I just really don't want to change my whois because it will feel like they've won here's the last and what sounds like final installment from him http://www.anystop.com/lawson5.txt I like how he mentions calling the Police on me, and how he can't see how he's a net-nazi