Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens

[Persius]

HONOLULU (AP) -- President Barack Obama signed a wide-ranging defense bill into law Saturday despite having "serious reservations" about provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.

The bill also applies penalties against Iran's central bank in an effort to hamper Tehran's ability to fund its nuclear enrichment program. The Obama administration is looking to soften the impact of those penalties because of concerns that they could lead to a spike in global oil prices or cause economic hardship on U.S. allies that import petroleum from Iran.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...LAT E=DEFAULT

[epitome]

It's for our own benefit. We can't let the terrorists win! 9/11 was only a decade ago!

[mynameisjim]

Where were all the anti SOPA freedom fighters while this was being debated?

I guess the internet generation cares more about their torrents than actual freedom.

But at least the people rose up and got Verizon to drop it's $2 charge. Martin Luther King would be proud.

[brassmonkey]

well more government bullshit keep your guns loaded.

[StickyGreen]

United Police States of America... so much for the Constitution and our rights...

[sperbonzo]

He had "serious reservations", but signed it anyway. BwaHaHa! Don'tchya just love politicians?



Illegtimi non carborundum!!




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[Radical Bucks]

We all know who is behind all the world politics, but no one wants to really admit it, or shall I say speak it out loud.

The world will go into a new World War if we do not get rid of these pieces of trash once and for all.
Iran is not the problem.

Give everyone a hint: They already believe anyone who is not of them are less than human and need to be removed from the fields. There will be a full scale sweep across the US rounding up our citizens and placing them in FEMA DEATH camps.

Now, they can do it lawfully and they control our gov and way of life.

[2012]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

He had "serious reservations", but signed it anyway. BwaHaHa! Don'tchya just love politicians?



Illegtimi non carborundum!!




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[2012]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

United Police States of America... so much for the Constitution and our rights...

They're keeping us safe. Always remember, if you see something, say something. The new definition of "terrorist" has been updated to include "internet hustlers" and/or "sinner".



"If tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -- Samuel Adams"



If you don't have any friends get one because if you don't have anyone to miss you when they snatch you up and insert you into the labor camps ( big debt to pay off ) nobody will know you're gone.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

He had "serious reservations", but signed it anyway. BwaHaHa! Don'tchya just love politicians?



Illegtimi non carborundum!!




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No fucking shit. The last paragraph is no better.

I may resolve to not discuss poli . . . current events any more.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by 2012

[2012]

The minimum wage TSA agent in charge of patrolling the internets "questionable" sites has just added everyone in this thread to the "no fly list". Congratulations asshole ! Happy New Year !

[Radical Bucks]

2012 will be far from a Happy New Year as all these new events unfold

[Overload]

Originally Posted by 2012

"If tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -- Samuel Adams"

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, YEAH! wise words

[Joshua G]

just more proof that obama is the most republican candidate on the card.

[2012]

Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

2012 will be far from a Happy New Year as all these new events unfold

[Caligari]

Your timing is impeccable;)

Originally Posted by 2012

[iMind]

I'm usually the first to point out Obamas' wrongs, but did a single person here actually read the article ?

"My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in the signing statement. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

fucking READ people....

[2012]

Originally Posted by iMind

I'm usually the first to point out Obamas' wrongs, but did a single person here actually read the article ?



fucking READ people....

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by iMind

I'm usually the first to point out Obamas' wrongs, but did a single person here actually read the article ?



fucking READ people....

That AP article is nothing but smoke and mirrors. It was crafted very carefully to portray exactly the opposite of what went down.

Obama is a traitor, and hypocrite. His only objection and the reason for his threatened veto was to ensure that the federal government didn?t completely hand powers over to the U.S. military.



?The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved?and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section,? said Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

?It was the administration that asked us to remove the very language which we had in the bill which passed the committee?we removed it at the request of the administration,? said Levin, emphasizing, ?It was the administration which asked us to remove the very language the absence of which is now objected to.?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by iMind

I'm usually the first to point out Obamas' wrongs, but did a single person here actually read the article ?



fucking READ people....

They also said they wouldn't raid medical marijuana dispensaries. Look how that turned out. lol

Have you even read the NDAA law?

Who cares what Obama "says," read the damn law and realize that unless it's repealed it won't only be Obama's "administration" that will be able to enforce it. There are term limits, so obviously there will eventually be a whole new gang of crooks in power ready to exploit the NDAA even if Obama's administration doesn't.

And just because Obama "says" that his administration won't enforce that part of the law right now, what's to say that won't change? Why even have that part written in the law then in the first place?

I can't believe people are actually trying to defend this type of legislation, regardless of what Obama "says." We've been heading down the road to tyranny for a long time now and it seems to be coming to a culmination. It's sad that nobody seems to care.

[BIGTYMER]

I'm ashamed I voted for him.

CHANGE for the worse.

[Splum]

Its like watching a train wreck in slow motion... all the cars piling up occasionally exploding... it makes no difference who we vote for the American government is the most corrupt system in the history of the Earth.

Revolution will come... its inevitable... question is will we be alive to see it?

[2012]

[BIGTYMER]

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/t...of-war-part-i/

Still Ron Paul 2012!

[raymor]

It's an interesting turn of events.

From the AP article:

n a statement accompanying his signature, the president chastised some lawmakers for what he contended was their attempts to use the bill to restrict the ability of counterterrorism officials to protect the country.

So Obama's objection, as he signed it into law, was that the final version doesn't give him MORE authority to arrest and detain suspicious people. Interesting. I see on the ACLU site they are pretty upset, saying it's unconstitutional. Didn't Obama also say it was unconstitutional, but then sign it into law anyway? I remember hearing him do that as a state senator, saying a proposed law was an unconstitutional breach of individual rights, but then voting for it. Odd.

[raymor]

I had hoped that Obama would be able to inspire the country ala JFK, to put his charisma to work to inspire hope and a renewed effort toward greatness. I had hoped that would offset his inexperience.
I'm not seeing that with actions such as this.

Perhaps if his charisma had been combined with patriotism, as JFK exhibited, it would have had more of an inspirational effect. Perhaps it's hard to be inspired by someone who doesn't stand up for freedom and other American values, who sometimes appears to be apologizing for us, almost embarrassed to be an American. So sad. He seemed like he could have been a great leader. Perhaps after he had more experience he would have had the courage and know how to stand up for liberty. Or perhaps he's not lacking the courage and know how. Perhaps he just doesn't value freedom and liberty that much. I think he said he does NOT believe in the idea of American exceptionalism, of America trying to be a beacon of freedom.

[Dcat]

Jones breaks it down..



Love him, or hate him, the guy was absolutely correct on ALL of this.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

He had "serious reservations", but signed it anyway. BwaHaHa! Don'tchya just love politicians?



Illegtimi non carborundum!!




.

that struck me as well "serious reservations"................... he's bought and paid for

[Radical Bucks]

Revolution will happen, however the gov will end it fast by killing everyone with simple Martial Law orders to take back control with superior technology.

If you have more than 7 days of food supply you are considered a terrorist.
If you have waterproof ammunition you are considered a terrorist.

Most US citizens are stupid and ignorant sheep who will follow the lambs to the slaughter. This is going to happen very soon.

Now we can all see it very clear. No one will do a thing about it.

[CurrentlySober]

Crappy Poo Diarrhoea, Dudes!

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

If you have more than 7 days of food supply you are considered a terrorist.
If you have waterproof ammunition you are considered a terrorist.


Now we can all see it very clear. No one will do a thing about it.

Where did you get this info...would like to read a bit more about this?

And yes, you are right, most citizens are sheep and will give up to this POS government, but then again there are plenty of others who will not.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by iMind

I'm usually the first to point out Obamas' wrongs, but did a single person here actually read the article ?



fucking READ people....

Lucky for us he will be president forever and he never has went back on his word, like closing gitmo..............

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

If you have more than 7 days of food supply you are considered a terrorist.
If you have waterproof ammunition you are considered a terrorist.

So now I'm a terrorist? Where does this statement come from?

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[BFT3K]

Get your sandwich shoes ready people - the end is near...

[Joshua G]

Obama is just a much more attractive & well spoken george bush.

I LOL when my dem friends think he is much better then any republican.

[Coup]

round em all up

[Vjo]

According to the article above from the op, Congress wanted the no-trial detention and President Obama only signed after lawmakers removed it.

"The administration also pushed Congress to change a provision that would have denied U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism the right to trial and could have subjected them to indefinite detention. Lawmakers eventually dropped the military custody requirement for U.S. citizens or lawful U.S. residents.

"My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in the signing statement. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation.""

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...LAT E=DEFAULT

[ThunderBalls]

John McCain is the one responsible for adding the amendment in the first place.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

John McCain is the one responsible for adding the amendment in the first place.

Yep, and it is time to get his ass out. He has been nothing but a flip flopper on issues here in Arizona.....he is all for or all against an issue as long as it keeps his corrupt ass in office.

Hopefully next time around, the people will get rid of him.

As a matter of fact, this entire nation needs to get rid of "ALL" these corrupt old timers and get some new people in office with ideas, who are going to work for the people and not against people.
The politicians in office now are not doing a damn thing for the people or this nation, their main concern is lining their corrupt pockets...plain and simple.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Terrorism achieves its goal; When the fear of terrorism limits the freedoms of its intended victims.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

John McCain is the one responsible for adding the amendment in the first place.

In other words, the last election turned into a lose/lose.

[Vjo]

Amen to both of the two preceding posts.

It's like Massachusetts and Ted Kennedy. When you have a big name like that the voters put you in cause they think it brings home the pork, even if the guy is really kind of rediculous on some of his ideas.

Like North Carolina and Jessie Helms. McCain now that he was close to the presidency will win forever in AZ as long as he runs (sadly for us all).

And to the post above this, where indeed IS all this terrorism everyone is fearing. It has been over 10 years since 911. There was more terrorism in the 90s with McVeigh and the 1993 WTC basement bombing. So now 20 years later they are passing all these laws.

Paranoia will destroya.

[PornoMonster]

It is NOT Right or Left. It is Government control.
Listen the left want big Gov, the right wants Gov Power.
They BOTH are bad.

Both sides want your Money, just they have different ways of spending it.

[BIGTYMER]

You all ready for 4 more years?

His base will be out in droves voting for their boy. Just like when the new Jordans came out...

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Yep, and it is time to get his ass out. He has been nothing but a flip flopper on issues here in Arizona.....he is all for or all against an issue as long as it keeps his corrupt ass in office.

Hopefully next time around, the people will get rid of him.

As a matter of fact, this entire nation needs to get rid of "ALL" these corrupt old timers and get some new people in office with ideas, who are going to work for the people and not against people.
The politicians in office now are not doing a damn thing for the people or this nation, their main concern is lining their corrupt pockets...plain and simple.

I agree, but the way the system is setup the new young politicians eventually become bought and sold by lobbyists and their corporate money. Get lobbyists and money out of politics and 90% of the problem would be solved.

[Vjo]

Then again, maybe they have a legit reason for getting tough with real terrorists. I doubt the avg Joe is gonna be marched off to camps. That is also Paranoia. People suddenly missing? The whole thing is a lil too paranoid.

Do you get out of paying taxes if you are in a camp?

Who feeds your dog?

Who gets control of the house in your name? Who mows?

These are just four basic questions.

It isnt that simple to march people off anywhere.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Then again, maybe they have a legit reason for getting tough with real terrorists. I doubt the avg Joe is gonna be marched off to camps. That is also Paranoia. People suddenly missing? The whole thing is a lil too paranoid.

Exactly how the average German citizen thought in 1933.

[baddog]

I'd just like to take this time to thank those of you that were so fucking blind you voted for Obama. Really appreciate it.

[Radical Bucks]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So now I'm a terrorist? Where does this statement come from?

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You need to read s.1867 all of it, i have read it. http://youtu.be/QAL6ATLv77c -also watch this video.