What do YOU think is the coolest most innovative product a members area could have? - GoFuckYourself.com

Brad Mitchell · 02-05-2003, 01:25 PM

Hey!

Do you ever surf the inside of paysites? Have you seen any unique or unusual products that you think truly satisfy the surfers? Please spam me with the market's newest, most innovative members area content and plug-ins. Don't give me the same old stuff that we already know every members area SHOULD have (like videosecrets, pornication, etc)... give me something new to look at.

New video content? New photos? New stories?

Thanks for your help!

Cheers,

Brad

boldy · 02-05-2003, 01:27 PM

how about sinpictures.com ?

Brad Mitchell · 02-05-2003, 01:36 PM

OK, I'll start. http://www.cozyflash.com is pretty cool new content.

Brad

darnit · 02-05-2003, 01:54 PM

Bump.

Im very interested as well.....lets see whats out there!

x-vision · 02-05-2003, 01:58 PM

Did someone say new and innovative product for a members area??

It doesn't get any better than us!

P.S. Brad, I'd love to talk to you about our product sometime.

Raph · 02-05-2003, 02:00 PM

some kind of picture and video bookmark feature

Jak · 02-05-2003, 02:00 PM

We offer customized Strip Kittens girls for paysite members areas. Hit me up on ICQ if interested.

Jak

Mr.Fiction · 02-05-2003, 02:00 PM

I'm interested to know what's out there as well.

So much of the same picture/video/story/live plugins.

What's new?

nocostporn · 02-05-2003, 02:07 PM

gotjizz

the sweets plugins are kickass

californiapimp/netvideogirls plugin is good too

Brad Mitchell · 02-05-2003, 02:07 PM

Hey Mr. Fiction.. I'm emailing you something new...

darnit · 02-05-2003, 02:10 PM

Agreed the netvideogirls plugin is bad ass....not seen everywhere and members seem to love it as well...

any others? It would be a sad thing if there really wasnt anything new or innovative out there.....

darnit · 02-05-2003, 02:18 PM

http://nichemagazines.com/pproducts.html

these are pretty interesting.....

mpegposter · 02-05-2003, 02:30 PM

Screw plugins, people want MPEGs, trust me.

Compare recurring stats with plugin vs. plugin & downloadable or any level of combination, no contest.

I'd be glad to educate anyone looking to go more downloadable for their members area, since I'm a hound for good video content.

grumpy · 02-05-2003, 02:36 PM

naked babes, pics and video...that will do the trick

Brad Mitchell · 02-05-2003, 02:46 PM

Looks like this is a new plug-in launching later this week...

http://www.snmcontent.com/

Brad

vegasdude · 02-05-2003, 02:47 PM

call me crazy but quality downloadable videos...

not the same old shit plugins.... some paysites are based on plugins

Spunky · 02-05-2003, 02:48 PM

New members get put in a draw for Free Membership.

Nysus · 02-05-2003, 02:48 PM

Brad, you on ICQ? Would like to talk with ya.

My ICQ is 129060301

Cheers,
Matt

Nina · 02-05-2003, 02:52 PM

My favorite plug in ever is http://www.socalstreams.com .

And my members love it.

Rictor · 02-05-2003, 03:02 PM

I have been in lots of pay site members areas. If it's not exclusive content, I just leave, since I've seen it before. I look at the pics first, especially if they are previews of the various videos. Then I check out the exclusive videos.

Sometimes I'll read a couple stories if they aren't the same stories on every other site AND they are halfway decent.

I'll check out the live feeds too...but they are almost always crappy upsell feeds where you have to pay extra to get the girls naked OR they are boring taped porn.

Basically, it's the exclusive video that sells a site for me.

I like the members area of iinnocent.com, sweetcuties.com, sites like that. They don't try to add a lot of bells and whistles. I always liked the members area of Busty Amateurs too.

Brad Mitchell · 02-05-2003, 03:04 PM

Interestingly enough... this thread isn't so much for me as it is a favor for someone else. I always know that GFY is a great place to help point my friends and affiliates in the right directions when they have questions.

Cheers,

Brad

Voodoo · 02-05-2003, 03:04 PM

Virtual Bukakke

roybucks · 02-05-2003, 03:10 PM

http://www.1-minute-aids-test.com

haha

Serge Litehead · 02-05-2003, 03:12 PM

in live chats pay girls to make members reccur, don't make members pay more for one on one - it should be included, like whichever member girl enjoys most, she could go with one on one with him/her - this will add more life on video chats. main point to innovation is interactivity and involvment.. once you keep your members happy and busy w/o extra cost for them you set.
i'm not sure how current numbers add up in scheme of paying girls, i guess they currently earn commisions from 1on1 plus low hourly, escaping such pattern might be expensive but thinking of the long-run could play a trick.

once that's done, next step is tight integration of such services with personals services (+atracting female members), giving members place to meet online and take it offline
by this time i expect video conferencing to be advanced enough and as fun as IRC used to be back in the days.

andi_germany · 02-05-2003, 03:17 PM

I actually saw a couple of sites that offer you newsgroup pictures as a feature.
Not just 1 newsgroup but many. This means a lot of pictures every day.

I think this is a kickass addition but it seems it has downsides too like content scanning, bandwidth costs etc. and possible legal problems but I am not sure about that.

Jak · 02-05-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Voodoo
Virtual Bukakke

We're the leaders in adult 3D virtual entertainment... we could create this if you wanted. Hit me up on ICQ for a free Strip Kitten and you can get an idea of how it all works.

Jak

darnit · 02-05-2003, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
I actually saw a couple of sites that offer you newsgroup pictures as a feature.
Not just 1 newsgroup but many. This means a lot of pictures every day.

I think this is a kickass addition but it seems it has downsides too like content scanning, bandwidth costs etc. and possible legal problems but I am not sure about that.

Here is a provider that offers that:

http://www.newsguy.com/webmasters.htm

dont know about the legal issues though. The content is probably unfiltered and may contain CP or something....but i honestly dont know that much about the guys program....

Libertine · 02-05-2003, 04:51 PM

Discount coupons for escorts.

kaylacam · 02-05-2003, 05:03 PM

www.xdigitals.com

This guy has some KILLER games with known names...

gothweb · 02-05-2003, 05:06 PM

I think the best member feature is real interaction with the girls, and you can't package that as a plug-in. ;)

pine · 02-05-2003, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Voodoo
Virtual Bukakke

So you're saying you want to stand around yanking with a bunch of other guys in a line...and then step up to the face for a brief instant to add your stream to dozens of others...and then go stand at the back of the room with all the other flaccid fellows?

Oh, what a lovely tea party.

I'll hafta pass.

[edit] Oh, wait...maybe you wanted to be the target?

KCat · 02-05-2003, 05:24 PM

Not exactly new & exciting...but an active message board is great for retention. How many times a day do you check in here? ;)

Brad Mitchell · 02-06-2003, 10:32 AM

C'mon fuckers you can do better than this!!

Brad

JayJay · 02-06-2003, 11:33 AM

BUMP

Keep em comming!

Voodoo · 02-06-2003, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pine

So you're saying you want to stand around yanking with a bunch of other guys in a line...and then step up to the face for a brief instant to add your stream to dozens of others...and then go stand at the back of the room with all the other flaccid fellows?

Oh, what a lovely tea party.

I'll hafta pass.

[edit] Oh, wait...maybe you wanted to be the target?

PINE[IMG]http://www.*********.com/images/smilies/jerkit.gif[/IMG]

CDSmith · 02-06-2003, 11:39 AM

Having an RPG engine installed, where members can create a character, log in, and have virtual sex in a computer game, with dialogue options, lots of hot 3d babes to choose from (or other members).

Would likely cost, but it would be cool. Very cool.

I wonder if anyone at Xamo.com can offer some input on this one.

flashfreak · 02-06-2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
OK, I'll start. http://www.cozyflash.com is pretty cool new content.

Brad

I've seen it...
I'm not trying to make them bad publicity but I think only a retard will pay $100/month for 40 cartoons.. I'm talking about "tres belles" or whatever they're calling it...
just my

omaz · 02-06-2003, 11:54 AM

Hey Brad,

Hit me up on icq 55291037 and i will hook you up with a demo of our live no upsell feeds.

Some of the features include:

- 24/7 with over 20 different girls
- new shows start every hour
- Customizable interface
- the ability for surfers to enlarge the video 4x its normal size
- high frame rate with great video quality

http://www.livefeedsupplier.com

Dawgy · 02-06-2003, 11:56 AM

naked bukkake lensman pics

flashfreak · 02-06-2003, 11:59 AM

I forgot to mention my games

They're the most versatile games you'll ever find in the online adult biz.

You can change practically all in the games: the stripper pics, the interface, the preloader logo, the help text, the game rules (initial credit, max bet, min bet, number of stripping pics...), the sounds: all these are external files loaded by the game , jpgs, mp3s and text files.
Also the games have a TOP10 feature that will be populated only with your members scores, unlike leased games where the TOP10 is unique for all the paysites that lease the games.
This would be a great opportunity for you to approach your members, to start contests and giveaway prizes.

Another important thing: you pay once and they're yours for life, without the hassle of a monthly fee.

Hit me on icq (see sig) and I'll setup an account for you so you can preview the games.

FF

Mutt · 02-06-2003, 12:15 PM

movies, movies, movies ............ downloadable downloadable downloadable............ and if they're exclusive all the better.

exclusive videos and exclusive photos - it's the future.

No cartoon or game plugin ever kept a member a day longer. it's all about PORN - jerking off - to movies and photos of naked wimmins. Design means nothing, bells and whistles mean nothing - movies and photos. Whatever the niche that's what it's about. Live chat feeds also good for a certain segment of the porn surfing public but nothing close to movies and pix.

why doesn't quiet have a webmaster affiliate program? Because he doesn't need one

Snake Doctor · 02-06-2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nina
My favorite plug in ever is http://www.socalstreams.com .

And my members love it.

Good choice

KRL · 02-06-2003, 12:53 PM

We're getting a good response on Strip Player

Strip Player

And this Video Party concept is popular also

Video Party

Raven · 02-06-2003, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
OK, I'll start. http://www.cozyflash.com is pretty cool new content.

Brad

You beat me to it, Brad.
Cozy Flash IS an awesome product.

Rip · 02-06-2003, 01:10 PM

Drugs to prevent surfers from using bogus credit cards and bogus checking acounts

Jak · 02-06-2003, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
Having an RPG engine installed, where members can create a character, log in, and have virtual sex in a computer game, with dialogue options, lots of hot 3d babes to choose from (or other members).

Would likely cost, but it would be cool. Very cool.

We can do that. We've got 10 years in the mainstream game dev arena and a year in adult games. Anything you can imagine we can put together for you. Your budget is the only determining factor.

Hit my ICQ if interested. And thanks goes out to those who have contacted me already.

Jak

Thumbelina · 02-06-2003, 01:18 PM

High quality videos and interactive webcam girls........pros and amateurs

And adult videogames are fun as well once in awhile.

RAM · 02-06-2003, 01:28 PM

Upsells to our sites

chodadog · 02-06-2003, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by roybucks
http://www.1-minute-aids-test.com

haha

A friend of mine was actually looking into selling these in his local area and over the internet. He'd contacted the supplier, and gotten all the details. So he tried one out.

Comes up positive. So obviously, he's scared shitless, goes to the doctor as soon as possible to get a real test taken. His sister even flies over from overseas to be with him during the week 'cause he's that worried about it all. The test results came back, and luckily, he wasn't infected.

Imagine selling that to someone that was fairly high strung, and a little depressed, and didn't have a sister to come over and comfort him.

That product sucks ass.

02-05-2003, 01:25 PM	#1
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	What do YOU think is the coolest most innovative product a members area could have? Hey! Do you ever surf the inside of paysites? Have you seen any unique or unusual products that you think truly satisfy the surfers? Please spam me with the market's newest, most innovative members area content and plug-ins. Don't give me the same old stuff that we already know every members area SHOULD have (like videosecrets, pornication, etc)... give me something new to look at. New video content? New photos? New stories? Thanks for your help! Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-05-2003, 01:27 PM	#2
boldy Macdaddy coder Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: MacDaddy pimp coder Posts: 2,806	how about sinpictures.com ? __________________ MacDaddy Coder.

02-05-2003, 01:36 PM	#3
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	OK, I'll start. http://www.cozyflash.com is pretty cool new content. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-05-2003, 01:58 PM	#5
x-vision Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: virtual reality Posts: 1,013	Did someone say new and innovative product for a members area?? It doesn't get any better than us! P.S. Brad, I'd love to talk to you about our product sometime. __________________ Get the VirtualFX 2D to 3D TV Converter or 3D Glasses for your PC. Great affiliate and resale programs available. http://www.realistixxx.com/

02-05-2003, 02:00 PM	#6
Raph Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 439	some kind of picture and video bookmark feature __________________ Raph

02-05-2003, 01:54 PM	#4
darnit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teh Interweb Posts: 2,439	Bump. Im very interested as well.....lets see whats out there!

02-05-2003, 02:00 PM	#7
Jak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ripenedpeach.com Posts: 1,143	We offer customized Strip Kittens girls for paysite members areas. Hit me up on ICQ if interested. Jak

02-05-2003, 02:00 PM	#8
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I'm interested to know what's out there as well. So much of the same picture/video/story/live plugins. What's new?

02-05-2003, 02:07 PM	#9
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	gotjizz the sweets plugins are kickass californiapimp/netvideogirls plugin is good too __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

02-05-2003, 02:10 PM	#11
darnit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teh Interweb Posts: 2,439	Agreed the netvideogirls plugin is bad ass....not seen everywhere and members seem to love it as well... any others? It would be a sad thing if there really wasnt anything new or innovative out there.....

02-05-2003, 02:18 PM	#12
darnit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teh Interweb Posts: 2,439	http://nichemagazines.com/pproducts.html these are pretty interesting.....

02-05-2003, 02:30 PM	#13
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Screw plugins, people want MPEGs, trust me. Compare recurring stats with plugin vs. plugin & downloadable or any level of combination, no contest. I'd be glad to educate anyone looking to go more downloadable for their members area, since I'm a hound for good video content. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

02-05-2003, 02:36 PM	#14
grumpy Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 9,870	naked babes, pics and video...that will do the trick __________________ Don't let greediness blur your vision \| You gotta let some shit slide icq - 441-456-888

02-05-2003, 02:46 PM	#15
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Looks like this is a new plug-in launching later this week... http://www.snmcontent.com/ Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-05-2003, 02:47 PM	#16
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	call me crazy but quality downloadable videos... not the same old shit plugins.... some paysites are based on plugins __________________ Did you fucking talk to me??! Who the fuck told you to talk to me??!"

02-05-2003, 02:48 PM	#17
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	New members get put in a draw for Free Membership. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

02-05-2003, 02:48 PM	#18
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Brad, you on ICQ? Would like to talk with ya. My ICQ is 129060301 Cheers, Matt

02-05-2003, 02:52 PM	#19
Nina Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 2,687	My favorite plug in ever is http://www.socalstreams.com . And my members love it.

02-05-2003, 03:02 PM	#20
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	I have been in lots of pay site members areas. If it's not exclusive content, I just leave, since I've seen it before. I look at the pics first, especially if they are previews of the various videos. Then I check out the exclusive videos. Sometimes I'll read a couple stories if they aren't the same stories on every other site AND they are halfway decent. I'll check out the live feeds too...but they are almost always crappy upsell feeds where you have to pay extra to get the girls naked OR they are boring taped porn. Basically, it's the exclusive video that sells a site for me. I like the members area of iinnocent.com, sweetcuties.com, sites like that. They don't try to add a lot of bells and whistles. I always liked the members area of Busty Amateurs too.

02-05-2003, 03:04 PM	#21
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Interestingly enough... this thread isn't so much for me as it is a favor for someone else. I always know that GFY is a great place to help point my friends and affiliates in the right directions when they have questions. Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-05-2003, 03:04 PM	#22
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	Virtual Bukakke __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

02-05-2003, 03:10 PM	#23
roybucks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 235	http://www.1-minute-aids-test.com haha

02-05-2003, 03:12 PM	#24
Serge Litehead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind the scenes Posts: 5,190	in live chats pay girls to make members reccur, don't make members pay more for one on one - it should be included, like whichever member girl enjoys most, she could go with one on one with him/her - this will add more life on video chats. main point to innovation is interactivity and involvment.. once you keep your members happy and busy w/o extra cost for them you set. i'm not sure how current numbers add up in scheme of paying girls, i guess they currently earn commisions from 1on1 plus low hourly, escaping such pattern might be expensive but thinking of the long-run could play a trick. once that's done, next step is tight integration of such services with personals services (+atracting female members), giving members place to meet online and take it offline by this time i expect video conferencing to be advanced enough and as fun as IRC used to be back in the days. __________________ SilverCrocodile.com Adult web design since '05

02-05-2003, 03:17 PM	#25
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I actually saw a couple of sites that offer you newsgroup pictures as a feature. Not just 1 newsgroup but many. This means a lot of pictures every day. I think this is a kickass addition but it seems it has downsides too like content scanning, bandwidth costs etc. and possible legal problems but I am not sure about that.

02-05-2003, 04:51 PM	#28
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Discount coupons for escorts. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

02-05-2003, 05:03 PM	#29
kaylacam Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Less camgirl than porn chickie...conveniently located in Porn Central. Posts: 2,745	www.xdigitals.com This guy has some KILLER games with known names... __________________ SPANK! Kayla Quinn http://www.TushyCash.com

02-05-2003, 05:06 PM	#30
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I think the best member feature is real interaction with the girls, and you can't package that as a plug-in. ;) __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-05-2003, 05:24 PM	#32
KCat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PNW Posts: 2,204	Not exactly new & exciting...but an active message board is great for retention. How many times a day do you check in here? ;) __________________ ~ 300+ FHGs, 100,000 pics to use plus a rockin' Video of the Day download! ~

02-06-2003, 10:32 AM	#33
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	C'mon fuckers you can do better than this!! Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-06-2003, 11:33 AM	#34
JayJay Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,739	BUMP Keep em comming!

02-06-2003, 11:39 AM	#36
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Having an RPG engine installed, where members can create a character, log in, and have virtual sex in a computer game, with dialogue options, lots of hot 3d babes to choose from (or other members). Would likely cost, but it would be cool. Very cool. I wonder if anyone at Xamo.com can offer some input on this one. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

02-06-2003, 11:54 AM	#38
omaz Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: MI Posts: 72	Hey Brad, Hit me up on icq 55291037 and i will hook you up with a demo of our live no upsell feeds. Some of the features include: - 24/7 with over 20 different girls - new shows start every hour - Customizable interface - the ability for surfers to enlarge the video 4x its normal size - high frame rate with great video quality http://www.livefeedsupplier.com __________________ Give your members what they want...NO UPSELL live feeds with chat<br> icq 55291037

02-06-2003, 11:56 AM	#39
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	naked bukkake lensman pics __________________ the revolution is coming.

02-06-2003, 11:59 AM	#40
flashfreak Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cloud number 9 Posts: 4,396	I forgot to mention my games They're the most versatile games you'll ever find in the online adult biz. You can change practically all in the games: the stripper pics, the interface, the preloader logo, the help text, the game rules (initial credit, max bet, min bet, number of stripping pics...), the sounds: all these are external files loaded by the game , jpgs, mp3s and text files. Also the games have a TOP10 feature that will be populated only with your members scores, unlike leased games where the TOP10 is unique for all the paysites that lease the games. This would be a great opportunity for you to approach your members, to start contests and giveaway prizes. Another important thing: you pay once and they're yours for life, without the hassle of a monthly fee. Hit me on icq (see sig) and I'll setup an account for you so you can preview the games. FF __________________ SEO Mogul \| ICQ: 163671223

02-06-2003, 12:15 PM	#41
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	movies, movies, movies ............ downloadable downloadable downloadable............ and if they're exclusive all the better. exclusive videos and exclusive photos - it's the future. No cartoon or game plugin ever kept a member a day longer. it's all about PORN - jerking off - to movies and photos of naked wimmins. Design means nothing, bells and whistles mean nothing - movies and photos. Whatever the niche that's what it's about. Live chat feeds also good for a certain segment of the porn surfing public but nothing close to movies and pix. why doesn't quiet have a webmaster affiliate program? Because he doesn't need one __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!