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JFK 12-10-2011 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620885)
Should the issue of "what to do with Putin" not be for the Russian people to decide?

Why does the West need to be meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country anyways?

They meddle everywhere else, why should Russia be any different ?:2 cents:

just a punk 12-11-2011 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18620528)
Putin runs russia, president or no president. medvedev was his puppet. everyone knows this.

That "everybody" is just clueless then. Surkov (Dudayev) rules Russia. He keeps Putin on a short leash because he and his "friends" from FSB have a TOP of deadly compromising materials on Putin.

Just FYI.

just a punk 12-11-2011 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620941)
Seriously! The USSR and communism was a failed ideology well before Gorbachev came into the scene. Matter of fact, if the USSR wasn't failing prior, you'd never even know who Gorbachev was/is.

The USSR collapse has started about 20-30 years before Gorbachev. As about who has behind him. Andropov was that man who pushed Gorbachev up.

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18621158)
Obviously there are nice Russian women, but if there going to mix it up with a foreigner shes got problems. I've met more then a few Americans/Canadians in Russia who've married Russian women and all their marriages are on the rocks or ended in divorce. Nothing wrong with fucking them as they're hot and will fuck on a drop of a dime, literally. They'll chew through you in a blink of an eye. Only Russian men can take that kind of abuse.

Almost everything you told above was right excepting this particular point. Yes, Russian women are not feel obsessed about foreign people (course if they are not prostitutes or conjugal swindlers) Believe me - your American and Canadian friends got exactly that whey were looking for - troubles.

As about a REAL RUSSIAN women, so they are the most devoted ones in the civilized World (I'm not talking about Muslim countries etc).

The Russian woman will easily sacrifice her career because of her husband and kids (I know a lot of such cases). Once again: the most of Russian women are very devoted to they husbands and they don't cheat on them. In a same time as Russian man cheat on their wives too much (sorry to say that).

For example, I'm married on my wife 18 years ago. We are both internet marketers, so we are working at home and see each other almost 24/7 during at least last 10 years. We are still love each other and I can't even imaging her cheating me with another man. I can't imagine her spending a lot of money on herself (she always trying to save money for the family) and I frequently have to insist to make her spending on herself.

I have old parents who need care (you know here in Russia we are helping to our parents instead of pushing them off into a nursing home), and my wife visiting them much often than me (I feel sorry about that because usually I have a lot of work). She's spending a lot of time driving my father to the doctors etc. She's cooking, cleaning etc.

Despite the fact that I have a lot of work at computer, I feel myself like a drone near her. And the same I can say about wives of my friends.

And forgot to add. As most of Russian women, my wife is beautiful. :pimp

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18621467)
These guys look serious to me.
And Putin's claims of western intervention -- rubbish.
All the red flags make this look like a home-brewed event.

Oh yeah, the Communist Party has a serious support here. Actually it's getting more popular every year because they are considered as a real opposition to Putin's government. Many people voted for them just because they don't want to vote for the Putin's United Russia. :2 cents:

http://img11.nnm.ru/8/c/c/4/a/7f6b69...3b536_prev.jpg

As about me personally, so I'm not a commie and never been.

d-null 12-11-2011 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18621654)
Oh yeah, the Communist Party has a serious support here. Actually it's getting more popular every year because they are considered as a real opposition to Putin's government. Many people voted for them just because they don't want to vote for the Putin's United Russia. :2 cents:

http://img11.nnm.ru/8/c/c/4/a/7f6b69...3b536_prev.jpg

As about me personally, so I'm not a commie and never been.


O MARINA 12-11-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18621158)
It actually goes much deeper then that. I'm your Average American with no Russian ethnicity who's spent a lot of time in Russia. I do business on a daily bases with Russians and actually know the culture/people well. Although, I prefer the Ukraine I can easily write a book on an American perspective on Russia or how to do business in Russia.

You have to understand their culture to understand the politics. Prior to 1991 the vast majority of Russians lived in type of serfdom throughout their history. They didn't have any rights as any direction in their lives was laced with a threat to do so. It's still prevalent in their culture today and why they're considered rude/direct/brash.

Anyway, due to their history or lack of democracy, they needed a Putin to transition them into a democracy. Meaning, they could not of transitioned from communism to democracy because the majority of Russians couldn't even grasp the meaning of the word democracy because they didn't have an actual example.

So the real question is - does Putin think the Russian public can truly transition to a full democracy? This guy has made billions and can leave Russia at any time and live like a king anywhere he wants. So why would he want to continue living a political life with an inherited risk? Because he's on an ego trip for power? - I don't think so. I am willing to bet he thinks the Russian people are truly not ready yet. A comparable example is when Roosevelt was elected 4x times as this got us out of the depression.

The People IMO Pros/Cons:

Cons: Due to their past of serfdom/communism? - They're completely obsessed with material things. Everything in the US is cheap comparatively, as Russians take great pride showing what they got, especially the women. It's not uncommon to go to the local market and think a club must of just let out as you can smell the burning envy in the air.

Pros: Contrary to popular belief, Russians in general are not scammers, but the opposite. They are excellent honest hardworking business people who keep things uniquely simple. Ether you can or can NOT do it. They don't mix small talk with smiles and simplify business to the relevancy of turning on/off a light switch. When doing business in Russia they departmentalize everything, smiling or acting too friendly will make them think you're an idiot. Just act like what you're doing is painful, you'll be fine.

Cons: If you're outside the major cities/tourist areas, Russians don't like foreigners and can be very rude and short tempered. You'll need rhino skin if you decide to explore or ask questions/directions on your own. If you mind you're own business and keep your mouth shut, no one will fuck with you walking anywhere. Try that in any major US city.

Pros: Contrary to popular belief, Russians are not raging vodka drinking alcoholics. Matter of fact, 2/3 of the Russians I know don't even drink and the ones who do, it's more like a planed celebration for something and very traditional with a lot of food around.

Cons: Russian women. Trust me when I says this, just stay away from them unless you've been introduced by a friend. Even then, stay away from them. Obviously there are nice Russian women, but if there going to mix it up with a foreigner shes got problems. I've met more then a few Americans/Canadians in Russia who've married Russian women and all their marriages are on the rocks or ended in divorce. Nothing wrong with fucking them as they're hot and will fuck on a drop of a dime, literally. They'll chew through you in a blink of an eye. Only Russian men can take that kind of abuse.

I was going to blog about this anyway, so I thought just expand my reply.



wow
almost accurate, except the women part.

just a punk 12-11-2011 09:06 AM

Almost, because he has overlooked the fact that Russians is one of the most traveling nations over the World now. So many Russians visit other countries and hey can see the examples of "real democracy" by themselves. For example, I've been to the USA and I can say there is much less democracy than we have in totally non-democratic Russia.

P.S> Canada is not in my traveling list however - I'm not a village guy.

qwe 12-11-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18622009)
Almost, because he has overlooked the fact that Russians is one of the most traveling nations over the World now. So many Russians visit other countries and hey can see the examples of "real democracy" by themselves. For example, I've been to the USA and I can say there is much less democracy than we have in totally non-democratic Russia.

P.S> Canada is not in my traveling list however - I'm not a village guy.

how is it a village exactly ?

O MARINA 12-11-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18621651)
Almost everything you told above was right excepting this particular point. Yes, Russian women are not feel obsessed about foreign people (course if they are not prostitutes or conjugal swindlers) Believe me - your American and Canadian friends got exactly that whey were looking for - troubles.

As about a REAL RUSSIAN women, so they are the most devoted ones in the civilized World (I'm not talking about Muslim countries etc).

The Russian woman will easily sacrifice her career because of her husband and kids (I know a lot of such cases). Once again: the most of Russian women are very devoted to they husbands and they don't cheat on them. In a same time as Russian man cheat on their wives too much (sorry to say that).

For example, I'm married on my wife 18 years ago. We are both internet marketers, so we are working at home and see each other almost 24/7 during at least last 10 years. We are still love each other and I can't even imaging her cheating me with another man. I can't imagine her spending a lot of money on herself (she always trying to save money for the family) and I frequently have to insist to make her spending on herself.

I have old parents who need care (you know here in Russia we are helping to our parents instead of pushing them off into a nursing home), and my wife visiting them much often than me (I feel sorry about that because usually I have a lot of work). She's spending a lot of time driving my father to the doctors etc. She's cooking, cleaning etc.

Despite the fact that I have a lot of work at computer, I feel myself like a drone near her. And the same I can say about wives of my friends.

And forgot to add. As most of Russian women, my wife is beautiful. :pimp



Also - your post here is very right on. :thumbsup
Can't explain what you have lived to different cultures but I understand what you tried to explain. Values don't change. I know many loyal women like that who live here in Canada (20+ years) from my parents generations and they continue to live the same way. (Taking care of elders, don't spend on themselves).

O MARINA 12-11-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by qwe (Post 18622115)
how is it a village exactly ?



Settle! He means in comparison to Moscow, since he has never been he doesn't know what he is missing! It's bad enough SID from GFY already has been posting for 5 years how he wants to live in Canada.


I love Oh Canada.

Kolargol 12-11-2011 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620793)
there really is no dictator, tyrant and anti-democratic impulse that you conspiracy kooks wont ally yourself with.

one day you might understand how that came to be. but since you guys seem a bit slow, probably not.

:thumbsup

my favorite argument is "they do it on their own soil". :helpme

Kolargol 12-11-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mromro (Post 18620570)
Let's see , Putin approval rating from 75% down to 50% approval rating. Yeah, Sure seems like he is hated by all the Russians.

Any one of these puppets we have in this country would die to have that kind of rating.

Dopes!

considering most of media independent from Putin have been destroyed or weakened and Kremlin controls almost all TV and press now - yes, it is Putin's failure.

Just Alex 12-11-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18622009)
For example, I've been to the USA and I can say there is much less democracy than we have in totally non-democratic Russia.

What? Because our cops don't let you drink vodka in public places?

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/d...1534610683.jpg

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA (Post 18622162)
Settle! He means in comparison to Moscow

Yeah exactly. Even the USA (not NYC, Vegas or LA of course) was looking very depressive after Moscow.

porno jew 12-11-2011 01:17 PM

typical russian scum.

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18622279)
What? Because our cops don't let you drink vodka in public places?

Actually everything is on the contrary. It's a very big problem to drink vodka on public in Russia, but in the USA you are ok doing this if the bottle is packed into the paper bag (hypocrites).

I still remember the case when we met a couple of the US cops on Elm street (right near he place Kennedy was shot) and asked them on where we can eat famous Texas steaks and drink bourbon, we got a detailed map and their kid explanation. I relay appreciate this because Russian police is not so kind about night drinking advices...

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18622333)
typical russian scum.

Typical porno jew clueless.

Frank21 12-11-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18619928)
However it seems they are very pissed at Putin. Seems kinda funny because it was only a few years back they praised him like he was the messiah.

Obviously everyone out side Russia already knew Putin was nothing more than a criminal thug. Did the Russians finally figure this out and are mad at him?

Serious question, what was the final tipping point that Russians finally became so anti-Putin? (I mean prior to him rigging this latest election)

This election had nothing to do with Putin but rather with the actual president of Russia wich is Medvedev, his weak leftish and Global governance attitude has reseulted in loss of confidence by the Russian people who want a sovereign Russia as it has always been.
The poor results in this election are proof that Russia wants the strong leadership of Vladimir putin and not the NWO puppet Medvedev.

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:37 PM

Putin and Medvedev are both on the Surkov's leash.

Just Alex 12-11-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18622351)
Actually everything is on the contrary. It's a very big problem to drink vodka on public in Russia, but in the USA you are ok doing this if the bottle is packed into the paper bag (hypocrites).

Whats so hypocritical about it? And its not legal everywhere. Most places you cant have open container - period. Big problem to drink vodka in public in Russia? :1orglaugh Get real. Maybe somewhere down town Moscow it is, but everywhere else? The real Russia is not Moscow and St. Pete. Outside of those two, thats what I call real Russia. And there you you find real "villages" that makes fucking Winnipeg look like Las Vegas.

O MARINA 12-11-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18622392)
Whats so hypocritical about it? And its not legal everywhere. Most places you cant have open container - period. Big problem to drink vodka in public in Russia? :1orglaugh Get real. Maybe somewhere down town Moscow it is, but everywhere else? The real Russia is not Moscow and St. Pete. Outside of those two, thats what I call real Russia. And there you you find real "villages" that makes fucking Winnipeg look like Las Vegas.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AXhWXW1FFe...s400/nyet!.jpg

O MARINA 12-11-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18622357)
Typical porno jew clueless.

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18622333)
typical russian scum.



http://ak.hkbeostar.net/wp/wp-conten...y/ne-pizdi.jpg

wehateporn 12-11-2011 06:42 PM

Vladimir Putin accuses US of being behind election protests
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-protests.html

It's similar to what we've been seeing in a number of other countries. The West are interfering with other nations. Now we're seeing thousands of fake YouTube and Twitter accounts appear just as they did in Libya. The West want to destabilize Russia; ideally create a revolution and then replace Putin with a leader who will not defend Syria/Iran and will sell resources to the West for dirt cheap. This will not benefit the people of Russia; Putin genuinely cares about the Russian people :2 cents:

It's a very similar system of interference as we've seen in Libya and currently Syria. There's a long history of this type of interference, as former Economic Hitman John Perkins admits




just a punk 12-12-2011 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18622392)
The real Russia is not Moscow and St. Pete.

Have you been to Russia personally, or everything you know, you've got from CNN and FOX? :winkwink:

just a punk 12-12-2011 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18622705)
I've seen this many times with Americans/Canadians that work in Russia. They marry a Russian women with zero core relationship fundamentals, then try to merge ideals/culture with some of the most stubborn women on the planet, just to end in pure failure. It sure ain't pretty to watch, entertaining, but a pissed off Russian woman can be soulless cunt. Again, trust me, just stay away from them.

It's not a good idea to build up a correct opinion depending on your Americans/Canadians friend's cases. They are just losers. They were asking for troubles and they got them. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that if young good looking women marry a foraging gay (which usually must older), she's rather a prostitute or a swindler. Trust me.

P.S. Personally I know only one case of successful marriage between Russian woman (a cousin of my wife) and a German man (they are both live in France for years). In all other cases I know about, Russian women got divorced with their foreign husbands within a first year.

Just Alex 12-12-2011 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18623092)
Have you been to Russia personally, or everything you know, you've got from CNN and FOX? :winkwink:

Yes. Number of times and not just Moscow and St Pete.

d-null 12-12-2011 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18623109)
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that if young good looking women marry a foraging gay (which usually must older), she's rather a prostitute or a swindler.
.

a vy mozhyete napisat eto predlozheniye po russki? ya ne ponymayu

AtlantisCash 12-12-2011 02:18 AM

i hope no russians gets trapped in something simillar to this so called american-Arab- what the motherfuck ever spring bullshit, no doudt it's bad When your voting rights meant nothing, however there are more important things than going elections for each 4-5 years

i always respected Russian culture, i would rather live in there Putin runs the gov durring his lifetime rather than idiots in my country voted for this so called democraticly elected one.

So i hope dem Ruskies asking for a better option for their country, jus my :2 cents:

AtlantisCash 12-12-2011 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA (Post 18621938)
wow
almost accurate, except the women part.




i agree there are bunch of my countrymen ended marying russian or either mingle with them and we hear mostly positive comments.

i also head some russians friendsand knew Russian girls too, nice people...

just a punk 12-12-2011 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 18623132)
a vy mozhyete napisat eto predlozheniye po russki? ya ne ponymayu

Opps :) LOL course I meant "foreign guy" but not a "foraging gay" LOL

P.S. I haven't woke up completely when was writing that and "thanks" to to FF's syntax checker :upsidedow

crockett 12-12-2011 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18622705)
You miss understood my American perspective on Russian women as you assumed the worst. It's impossible for you to have a valid opinion, simply because you're not an American/Canadian or have/had a relationship here to compare too.

Just like the States, it's impossible to categorize all Russian women because there are simply too many variables, social cast, age, location, ethnicity, etc. This is why I say, stay away from Russian women when traveling for your first time..

Anyway, I'll tell my story and cover the basics (IMO) for non-Russians to understand Russia and the women. My opinion is based on travel/work for years outside the major cities and the actual suburbs in smaller cities in the south. Comparable to US cities like Memphis, Natchez, or Shreveport.

When in Russia I rent-out a dacha from a family I know well. The father runs/owns local retail markets as his son (US immigration lottery winner) runs a limo service in San Diego. The father has two daughters, one married with kids (28) and another divorced without (35) as they both work in their father business. All speak English well as they've been to the States, but live exceptional lives as proud Russians.

I met the father on my first trip in early 2006 form LAX to Moscow. As I spoke of my plans to import/export products he straight out told me, I must be crazy/stupid as we got hammered exchanging stories on a 13 hour flight. When we landed he gave me his number and told me to check-in every three days during my 6 week venture.

As all my preliminary contacts failed I was invited to come to his city. This instantly opened doors for me and learned I was extremely lucky to meet/know this guy. I think he actually took pity on me as he knew from the start I could of easily got myself in real trouble. In short, he was right, looking back knowing what I know now, crazy and stupid were actually very kind words.

Anyway, I know many Russian women well, due to the daughter first being my translator as preliminary business prospect in my field usually needed to go through a woman first. I soon discover, the better the business, the more educated the people, the more likely they speak some English.

IMO, contrary to popular belief, Russians may look European, but their culture is more Asian/Middle Eastern. Although, distinctly Russian the culture leans heavily towards a family based core. In short, kids and family are the core of true Russian culture. All things are based around family, as it's everything, without it you're nothing.

Therein lies the problem. Although, women born around 1991 have a more free thinking liberal attitude, outside the major cities it's still the same. If a Russian woman is not married by the time she is 25 things go downhill fast. By the time she reaches 30 and doesn't have any kids, not married, divorced with kids, she's fucked.

This sets a precedence of competition amongst the younger women outside the major cities. It's almost like a major fishing competition as the man is a trophy prize. Most women usually grab the first catch not wanting to risk the alternative, later to find out they married a loser.

This is also why most Russian women (usually) up to 30 keep themselves in great shape or always dress their best because you'd never know when you might get a bite or an opportunity to climb the social cast latter. It's actually comical to watch as Desperate housewives and Sex in the City were/are incredibly popular shows is Russia as women try to mimic the attitudes and episodes.

Does this mean all Russian women are like that? No, of course not, but if they're talking to you, a foreigner, I'd be willing to bet the majority are exactly like that. I've seen this many times with Americans/Canadians that work in Russia. They marry a Russian women with zero core relationship fundamentals, then try to merge ideals/culture with some of the most stubborn women on the planet, just to end in pure failure. It sure ain't pretty to watch, entertaining, but a pissed off Russian woman can be soulless cunt. Again, trust me, just stay away from them.

Long reply, but was going to add it to my blog.

I dated a Russian chick for some time and she wasn't crazy bad like you describe. Well technically she was from the Ukraine but her Mother was Russian. She wasn't Americanized either as I met her after she had only been here 2 or 3 months.

sambucas 12-12-2011 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18621654)
Many people voted for them just because they don't want to vote for the Putin's United Russia.

Which is fraud. You are given the privilege to express your opinion and vote with your mind and heart for the party that you think will make things better. Voting for any party just to block United Russia is a fucking scam, anyone who voted 'for any party against UR' should be ashamed of them selves.

sambucas 12-12-2011 05:32 AM

None of the videos I've seen that supposedly show election fraud in favor of United Russia have impressed me. There was one video on which some journalists clame that they have received a phone call 2 days before the election saying that there will be a massive drop in of fraudent ballots for United Russia and exactly where it will take place. So they went there and caught on camera people who were dropping off the ballots. Well isn't it a simple set up designed to smear United Russia? But it made some people come out and protest. I guess it's their right. But I can't belive how anyone can be stupid enough to believe that it's actually United Russia behind this.


just a punk 12-12-2011 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18623335)
A bit prejudges? It's an absolute valid opinion because it's fact.

Of course not, and I even don't want to discuss it with you. It as absurd as if I start argue with you about living in California. That will look at least stupid, right?

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18623335)
It's not just foreigners because Russia has one of the highest divorce/single mother rates in the world.

Yes. But you don't know WHY EXACTLY Russia has one of the highest single mother rates in the world. I don't think you know the right answer however.

wehateporn 12-12-2011 06:33 AM

Here we go :upsidedow

Russia billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov to challenge Putin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16138739


just a punk 12-12-2011 06:46 AM

You know, I would vote for that guy.

sambucas 12-12-2011 07:06 AM

I wonder if it will get through but it has been reported that it's Pro Putin protest going on in Moscow right now. It has been said that some 25 k people are attending. Not sure if it's true.

just a punk 12-12-2011 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sambucas (Post 18623577)
I wonder if it will get through but it has been reported that it's Pro Putin protest going on in Moscow right now. It has been said that some 25 k people are attending. Not sure if it's true.

Yes and no. All these "pro-Putin" actions are being organized by "Nashi" that use young people from near regions (not from Moscow) for money.

So their actions are real, but not voluntary. Just take a look at this video where the "Nashi" guys chant "Medvedev! Pobeda (Victory)!" but they are hiding their faces from camera. Because they feel shame for doing this and they don't want their friends and relative see them praising Putin and Medvedev:



Here is another group of young people used by "Nashi" - the students. These are not even being paid:



These are saying it openly: "we DO NOT support Putin and his party!" As you can see, they have nothing to be ashamed for, so they don't hide. Note the girl on 2:10 who said: "if I'd know it's for United Russia, I'd never been here!"

WTFBucks 12-12-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18623591)
Yes and no. All these "pro-Putin" actions are being organized by "Nashi" that use young people from near regions (not from Moscow) for money.

So their actions are real, but not voluntary. Just take a look at this video where the "Nashi" guys chant "Medvedev! Pobeda (Victory)!" but they are hiding their faces from camera. Because they feel shame for doing this and they don't want their friends and relative see them praising Putin and Medvedev:



Here is another group of young people used by "Nashi" - the students. These are not even being paid:



These are saying it openly: "we DO NOT support Putin and his party!" As you can see, they have nothing to be ashamed for, so they don't hide.

Now this video is interesting


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