Good times tonight my friend!

gfy now is like trying to have a team party after a losing season..
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Tube sites put 75% of webmasters and sponsors out of business.

Your voice mail should be humming with my husbands plea for a return phone call....Why your guys want to stick us for our paper??

we are talking about right and wrong here...not bulls shit risk department red tape which can be used to steal from hard working creative small biz owners...

You do see whats happening, and you have some obligation to help right the wrong

There was a time when I could launch a program and within 2-3 weeks have 1500 new affiliates sending me traffic. Those days are long gone. The times they have a changed Senor Farber.

bump for netbilling to pay..

You're living in the past. :1orglaugh

There were times when I could shoot a girl off a casting and make $6,000 clear for 30 minutes work. Those days are long gone. Killed by you being more worried about getting 1500 new affiliates, than keeping customers buying. By giving into 1500 new affiliates demanding so much free content they killed 90% of themselves.

People hate me for telling them the truth. I love that. :thumbsup

With hindsight it's clear to see why online porn has declined as fast as it rose.

The rise was very much matched by the decline of offline porn sales. The claims that millions now could access porn who were previously denied was wrong. Those "previously denied" had magazines or were in countries where they could buy DVDs. What ever actual growth there was, wasn't what many claimed.

What ever we are all guessing.

The "millions" some claim to have made, were just tapping into an existing wealth. Do not look to the manufacturing end of porn for an idea of the porn market. Look at the retail end, the shops, the phone companies. Those serving the end user, not those serving the retail end.

Then the desire, by sponsors, of getting affiliates at all cost. Building a massive, expensive wall between the buyer and the seller. What ever affiliates demanded was seemingly given.

The lowering of standards of the product. Say what you like, few sites reach the top levels of porn. Most of it is churned out cheap rubbish. I'm talking the level that Perfect Gonzo was, Alsscan, Met Art, Party Hardcore. Mostly because no one was able to spend or would spend the money required.

The ease of getting into the online porn business. At the bottom all you needed was a computer and Internet connection. You wouldn't make a fortune, but you could be one of Eric's 1500 new affiliates demanding lots of free content to submit to TGP sites. The saturation of the supply side meant a smaller slice of the cake for everyone. The cake never grew as fast as was required to accommodate the growth of people wanting a slice out of it.

Scum were able to rise to the top. In all sorts of ways, cross billing, card banging, misleading tours, etc. And for everyone of them they had "1500" affiliates sending them traffic. To get a slice of the scam cake.

Then cheap BW. Was the nail in the coffin.

So now free is so much better than buying for our former customers. Yes Manwin may have 20, 40, 60 million hits a day. but it converts at the worse level ever. Because buyers have learned paying for porn is a mugs game.

Still a few more years to wring out a few more dollars and if you keep your costs very low. you'll be fine. Or if it's a part time job, fine.

But don't listen to me. Listen to the no nicks fools working from home.

I think Paul is right.

You do know that's an instant banning offense. Nice knowing you. :1orglaugh

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/
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Hi,

I have nothing to do with your account and my staff has been working with your husband and you. I hope you get your issue resolved with the bank. It is out of our hands.

There is a little more to the story as you well know, and certainly any rational intelligent human being knows there are 2 sides to every story...

It is a new year, and despite our shall we say misfortune of hooking up with your "BANK"

we hold no grudge and are not bitter, because even with the cruddy shit that transpired we have since had great things happen to us, so we will not re hash the crud from 2011 but you should consider this...

The next time one of your clients calls you multiple times out of desperation and anger because they felt they were railroaded...be humane enough to return the call or send an email.

If you are honest with yourself you know you could have returned a phone call...that would have meant a lot and would have showed us that you were sympathetic to our misfortune....

No hard feelings, we really respected and appreciated the relationship, but we are on to greener pasteurs...best of future luck to you, your staff, and your company

Any peckerwood with a computer and $5 a month hosting is now a porn webmaster is what happened. Oh yeah, tubes too!

Well there is still alot of business being done on here, once you wade through all of the BS. Maybe a GFY biz only forum would be good?

you mean the BS of threads like this one ?

yeah you go play on your own little biz board and you can start up your 'why arent their any business threads ' there

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Have you seen the thread by CurrentlySober about the free tube from Pimproll?

170+ replies and everyone is all over it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Like we need more people giving away more free porn. Like we need a hole in the head.

Yes still a lot of business done, by giving away more free porn. Will wait to see how that all prospers without selling ad space to dating, cams and penis pills.

No "good people" were banned

Shut up.

I love to talk about business, always have.

What do you think is going to thrive in 2012 or die?

hahahahahahahahahahaha

A job hopping board whore has no business talking to Mitch like that.
Shut the fuck up and go start another thread explaining who you're working for this week.

If I knew the last thing I would do is tell people, let them find out when it's too late. :thumbsup

I believe Dave made you an offer to make money with hosted tube, but I assume you will not take him up on it or you would lose your favorite thing to complain about. :winkwink:

Its always been the case, I started as many with 10pics and freehosted site on Porncity in 1997, the difference is that I like everyone else back then were making great money.

I do think AVN/GFY could use a little house cleaning though, like this thread for example, you have two business people in TMM John and Mojo Brad trying to offer some business advice and discussion but its reduced to a middle school type response that they support piracy and fairly sure neither hold that position and likely said fuck it I have better things to do then argue like middle schoolers.

Same thing happened when hosted galleries came out. etc. :2 cents:

For guys selling traffic to dating, webcam, penis pills Tubes are great. They don't spend on the content only an advert. If they had to provide the content, which diluted their sales, they would be pissed off. More than pissed off, they would be flaming mad, especially if their free tubes with their free products were being used to sell advert to paysites.

I'm old enough to remember when porn was sold to guys who wanted to jerk off. Now it's their to let guys boast they have a billion impressions a day to sell. Yes the days when porn made real money. Still Tempus fugit. I'm happy to have made my money, still make a good living and got a pension to see me through the rest of my days.

If Dave offered me a free hosted tube, I don't remember it. If he would offer it, I would take it, supply the domain and leave it for me to personally jerk off to it every day. Courtesy of Dave.

As for feeding it traffic, working on it, etc. To earn a scraping after buying traffic from people, I don't think so. Maybe when the sites close, not any time soon, maybe I will put them on the four working domains. His servers, his site, etc and let the traffic we get come to it. will inform affiliates of course.

Will still moan that free porn is replacing paid porn.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1052204 <- he wants hire you! :winkwink:

Hey look! Tube Boy is chiming in.

Actually, I do agree with your first observation here.


You're right, that was really dumb.


"Half the industry" at the time (more than that really) had no interest in doing business with fucking thieves.

Odd that someone would see that as a bad thing.


Who's to say that most of them weren't doing both?

As for them recouping losses from freeloading leechers, that's not only right, it's smart.


Agreed.


You mean out of work, don't you? As in like fewer customers with disposable income.


And by "adapt or die" I take it that you mean to do business with or (even worse) to actually become illegal tube scum themselves.

Some of us here would rather suck off a canine than do such. Your mileage may vary.


Still? As in that they never had an understanding of how this industry works?

You're kidding, right?

Or do you think that up until a couple of years ago they were all just plain lucky and now all of a sudden their luck has run out?


I would say definitely on both counts.


This place has always been swiming with trolls, nothing new there. The trolls stand out more nowadays because there are fewer genuine players left. Additionally, some people are called out for good reason.


True.

But happily we still have a few 'important' figures such as yourself and porno jew amongst us :)
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Exactly.

If you were banned, it was because you couldn't follow the rules. It really is that simple. They are not that hard to follow. If you were BANNED FOR LIFE, it was because you were given three strikes (often times more) and you still could not seem to muster any self control and follow the rules. You more than EARNED your ban.

:2 cents:

this is why you 10 years behind even the most stupid webmaster

you are so confused with the whole concept of adult that all you can do is just blurt out whatever shit comes into your head

the guy with a billion impressions is making money paul

you are not paul

see the difference you clown :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh