Result of piracy

[femdomdestiny]

Just take a look at info at index page of this, website, that was definitely one of best femdom sites.

http://young-goddess.com/

[CurrentlySober]

And many more to come in 2012...

[porno jew]

did not adapt. died.

[TMM_John]

I get people from time to time saying they're going out of business due to piracy, tubes, laws, the planets aligning, etc. I always take a look at their website(s) and the vast majority of the time the site looks like it hasn't been updated in 5+ years. They have tours that look like they were created in 1999, if they even bother to list updates the most recent listings are from years ago, the content itself is years old, etc.

I have no idea if this applies to the site in question as I'm not familiar with it, but I see it all the time. It's much easier to blame something external rather than yourself, but reality is that those who are staying current, continuing to work & evolve, and fighting external forces as best they can are prospering. Is it a smaller number of people than it was years ago? Sure, but when something takes no effort, you have lots of people along for the ride. These days, it takes actual work.

(again, this is in no way specific to this particular site/company, it's just a general observation)

[raymor]

Originally Posted by porno jew

did not adapt. died.

How precisely does one adapt to having owner's earnings constantly stolen? May I steal your credit card number now that you've adapted?

[EukerVoorn]

John and Jew, are you producing porn content? If yes, then you know what it feels like having to deal with Russian content thieves/credit card frauds and maybe even when people still have reasonable sales, they might get completely fed up and decide to quit. OP writes that this was one of the best femdom sites. I understand every single word on that page. If making money means having to deal with thieves, stinking lazy incestious Russians and hypocrite payment processors, then the fun of making that money could vanish.

Back to my question, are you porn content producers... if no... shut up because you don't have a clue.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

John and Jew, are you producing porn content? If yes, then you know what it feels like having to deal with Russian content thieves/credit card frauds and maybe even when people still have reasonable sales, they might get completely fed up and decide to quit. OP writes that this was one of the best femdom sites. I understand every single word on that page. If making money means having to deal with thieves, stinking lazy incestious Russians and hypocrite payment processors, then the fun of making that money could vanish.

Back to my question, are you porn content producers... if no... shut up because you don't have a clue.

You're correct, I know nothing about the industry, I'm sorry (mostly for bothering to try to actually have a reasonable conversation on what used to be a webmaster forum).

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

You're correct, I know nothing about the industry, I'm sorry (mostly for bothering to try to actually have a reasonable conversation on what used to be a webmaster forum).

So what you're saying is that you're not a porn content producer, and that you're behind NATS. Then one day the pirates figure out what NATS is for and crack it and start sharing it through Oron and then when you express frustration about it, I'll tell you that it's your own fault because you didn't adapt.

[AdultEUhost]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Just take a look at info at index page of this, website, that was definitely one of best femdom sites.

http://young-goddess.com/

that sucks

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by porno jew

did not adapt. died.

Have fun "adapting" to SOPA cocksucker.

Its precisely because of people like you that the government finally has an excuse to regulate the internet to it's heart's content.

Try "adapting" to that.

.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

I get people from time to time saying they're going out of business due to piracy, tubes, laws, the planets aligning, etc. I always take a look at their website(s) and the vast majority of the time the site looks like it hasn't been updated in 5+ years. They have tours that look like they were created in 1999, if they even bother to list updates the most recent listings are from years ago, the content itself is years old, etc.

I have no idea if this applies to the site in question as I'm not familiar with it, but I see it all the time. It's much easier to blame something external rather than yourself, but reality is that those who are staying current, continuing to work & evolve, and fighting external forces as best they can are prospering. Is it a smaller number of people than it was years ago? Sure, but when something takes no effort, you have lots of people along for the ride. These days, it takes actual work.

(again, this is in no way specific to this particular site/company, it's just a general observation)

I know you have stated that you were only speaking in general and not in regards to this specific site but allow me to show that it doesn't apply here anyway.

http://web.archive.org/web/201011302...tour/index.php

The site did update and had good content.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Image => it says "JOIN NOW to DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING"
http://web.archive.org/web/201012010...ages/join2.jpg

http://young-goddess.com/

Well, the the pirates did what they were told to ...

[19teenporn]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

So what you're saying is that you're not a porn content producer, and that you're behind NATS. Then one day the pirates figure out what NATS is for and crack it and start sharing it through Oron and then when you express frustration about it, I'll tell you that it's your own fault because you didn't adapt.

Dude, he's not saying that. He is behind nats, and he must defend his business.

If more and more people leaves the business, he loses his income. So that's why he must answer OP by leaving a subliminal message to eventual readers saying to stay or start new paysites and buy lots of nats licenses.

[CHARGER]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Image => it says "JOIN NOW to DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING"
http://web.archive.org/web/201012010...ages/join2.jpg

http://young-goddess.com/

Well, the the pirates did what they were told to ...

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

I get people from time to time saying they're going out of business due to piracy, tubes, laws, the planets aligning, etc. I always take a look at their website(s) and the vast majority of the time the site looks like it hasn't been updated in 5+ years. They have tours that look like they were created in 1999, if they even bother to list updates the most recent listings are from years ago, the content itself is years old, etc.

I have no idea if this applies to the site in question as I'm not familiar with it, but I see it all the time. It's much easier to blame something external rather than yourself, but reality is that those who are staying current, continuing to work & evolve, and fighting external forces as best they can are prospering. Is it a smaller number of people than it was years ago? Sure, but when something takes no effort, you have lots of people along for the ride. These days, it takes actual work.

(again, this is in no way specific to this particular site/company, it's just a general observation)

hmmm, not sure this is the right place for you to "some what" defend piracy. I'm guessing most all of your clients have pay sites and don't apreciate posts like this from a company they are paying for.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by porno jew

did not adapt. died.

Wow. Just, wow.

Here is a member of our community, a business that helped other businesses, pushed out of business thanks to theft and scumbag tube owners who casually let stolen content slip onto their sites, and thats all you can say?

With people like you sitting on their hands and spewing out stuff like that, its no wonder that tube site owners get away with everything.

Thanks for your support.

[2intense]

This message is hidden because porno jew is on your ignore list.

[epitome]

Am I the only one that understood exactly what John was saying in his post? And where did he defend piracy?

There are tons of companies doing fine in spite of piracy.

Any site that closes can blame it on piracy because it is an easy scapegoat. What if they were bad money managers? What if they didn't invest in the latest technology? What if...

[SmutHammer]

What if they made at leaste 1000x's as much because piracy didn't have such a big effect on the internet?

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Just take a look at info at index page of this, website, that was definitely one of best femdom sites.

http://young-goddess.com/

There's a HUGE femdom torrent website with so much pirated content it's not even funny. I was doing good with Fetish Dollars and then that femdom torrent side started releasing complete site rips and all...ugh.

[AnalProbe]

Typical freeporn downloader :

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

hmmm, not sure this is the right place for you to "some what" defend piracy. I'm guessing most all of your clients have pay sites and don't apreciate posts like this from a company they are paying for.

Jesus.

He isn't defending piracy. He is saying people like to blame piracy for their problems, when in all honesty, their problems stem from a shit site, a shit tour, shit content and laziness.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by anexsia

There's a HUGE femdom torrent website with so much pirated content it's not even funny. I was doing good with Fetish Dollars and then that femdom torrent side started releasing complete site rips and all...ugh.

Are you talking about femdom fetish torrents? terrible, I saw recently. Complete site rips and tons ov videos with hundreds of seeders.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Are you talking about femdom fetish torrents? terrible, I saw recently. Complete site rips and tons ov videos with hundreds of seeders.

Yeah that's the one. I'm not one to really bitch about piracy that much but damn...tubes are one thing but when you have a torrent website that has FULL site rips of almost every sponsor in one niche....fucking crazy.

[bns666]

too bad young-goddess.com never had an affiliate program, that would sell like crazy.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by AnalProbe

Typical freeporn downloader :

That was ACTUALLY ME! A Few years before I shave my hair into a mohawk!

how you find me, as a 'slim person'?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by epitome

Any site that closes can blame it on piracy because it is an easy scapegoat. What if they were bad money managers? What if they didn't invest in the latest technology? What if...

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Jesus.
He is saying people like to blame piracy for their problems, when in all honesty, their problems stem from a shit site, a shit tour, shit content and laziness.

Agreed. "Piracy" is just something fabricated so people can have something to blame.

I don't know a single person/company actually harmed by it in any way. I'm sure everyone just had a bad run of business luck and/or should have updated their sites more. In fact, everyone I know is making money like it's 1999 again. Only slackers are losing money these days.

One show of the success of the current state of the industry will be at the AVN and INTERNEXT shows next month. Compare them with one about 7 or 8 years ago and you'll clearly see that everyone who isn't there now, and all the shrunken booths and displays, are a direct result of poor business and old tours.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

hmmm, not sure this is the right place for you to "some what" defend piracy. I'm guessing most all of your clients have pay sites and don't apreciate posts like this from a company they are paying for.

I'm not defending piracy. Not in the least, let alone "some what". Since this board loves to read whatever they like into anything that's said, I'll simply leave it at that.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by 2intense

This message is hidden because porno jew is on your ignore list.

wow that hurts third world sigwhore.

[BNMedia]

I feel the pain of Young Goddess. They were a great site and they indeed did appear to provide regular updates as all good sites should.
However, their monthly subscription prices while being very competitive clearly did them selves no favour. YG had one of the cheapest monthly signup options that I remember, which is fine if the number of people actually signup make it worth while.
I tried that approach and it doesn't work.

I've been battling piracy like everyone else and sometimes the thought does cross my mind like "fuck it, I can't be arsed any more!" But I am determined not to let the bastards get the better of me and it often becomes a game. A cat and mouse game that I'm not prepared to lose, chasing one guy round for weeks getting dmca notices sent out several times a day, even on Christmas day.

I've stepped up my personal battle and I've resorted to:
a) banning visitors from Russia using GeoIP and Strongbox
b) Having Throttlebox installed to monitor what every member downloads and limit users that appear to be excessively downloading or ripping!

Both of these tools have become invaluable and have already helped counteract the issues that I've been facing.
It's unfortunate that legitimate users may get caught up in the battle, but I personally do not want to spend Christmas next year chasing Russian file sharers, nor pay the 60 Mbps bandwidth overage which I am facing this month!

Yes this month has been one of the worst months ever for me dealing with fraud and piracy. However, sales have been good this month and the incentive to fight continues.

Call this adapting or simply taking precautions, there are ways of dealing with it. Where there's a will there's a way!

[Jim_Gunn]

As a content producer I totally understand the frustration of sites and studios feel due to piracy. But in reference to the young-goddess shutdown in particular, I will add this: I know for a fact that there is at least one and probably more than one fetish/bondage/s&m producer who is shooting every week and doing record business with their site(s) and C4S stores all in spite of the economy and overall culture of free nowadays. So it is possible to succeed in today's market, especially with this type of niche content.

[femdomdestiny]

young goddess also never had network of affiliates.

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by epitome

Am I the only one that understood exactly what John was saying in his post? And where did he defend piracy?

There are tons of companies doing fine in spite of piracy.

Any site that closes can blame it on piracy because it is an easy scapegoat. What if they were bad money managers? What if they didn't invest in the latest technology? What if...

I got out of Johns post the same as you. He did not defend piracy one bit! With so many years in the business and especially as a service provider to pay sites (birds eye view, just like a host) his views are certainly informed.

Nobody is saying business is easy, it never has been. Sometimes a good ride is just that.. good while it lasts. Growing businesses require constant work and development, especially after long periods of time. And not a one of us is saying piracy hasn't cost us all a fortune in revenue. It certainly has.

Brad

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Nobody is saying business is easy, it never has been. Sometimes a good ride is just that.. good while it lasts.

Get real Brad.

No one with a firm grip on reality has a problem with being derailed by superior competition. But a good many of us have a HUGE problem competiting with free versions of our own fucking websites.

You're supposed to be one of the good guys here and even you're selling hosting to those cocksuckers

When SOPA (or something even more extreme) goes down, the pirates and those amongst us who played ball with them will be the ones truly to blame.

.

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Get real Brad.

No one with a firm grip on reality has a problem with being derailed by superior competition. But a good many of us have a HUGE problem competiting with free versions of our own fucking websites.

You're supposed to be one of the good guys here and even you're selling hosting to those cocksuckers

When SOPA (or something even more extreme) goes down, the pirates and those amongst us who played ball with them will be the ones truly to blame.

.

You're completely missing my point... And took that specifically out of context. Perhaps its my fault for posting on my phone instead of on a keyboard where I can do 125 words a minute. She obviously didn't have the business accumen to continue competing and took it as far as she could. It's already been said the tour was never updated and she didnt have an affiliate program. I would venture to say that's just the start of a long missing list that also included no cascade, alternate billing options and likely an unsustainable price point with low volumes and exclusive content.

Brad

[femdomdestiny]

so how to fight this? http://femdom-fetish-torrents.org

Also,one more site is going down: shoekittens.com

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

so how to fight this? http://femdom-fetish-torrents.org

Also,one more site is going down: shoekittens.com

According to the local pirate contingent here the answer is to adapt or die (i.e. sell penis pills and such)



.

[Dirty Dane]

That's a shame.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by AnalProbe

Typical freeporn downloader :

That guy is hilarious!

[PenisFace]

Well this royally sucks.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Jesus.

He isn't defending piracy. He is saying people like to blame piracy for their problems, when in all honesty, their problems stem from a shit site, a shit tour, shit content and laziness.

You have a point, it's not just piracy that can effect business. An affiliate program can be worthwhile with great content, hardworking & decent honest people working for it & the affiliates, yet affiliates can be put off through people created problems with vindictive comments about the model or program

It's not always the content thieves that can destroy & do harm to a business, but in the case of young-goddess.com, it was considering the amount that was stolen & was seen on rip sites

Originally Posted by porno jew

wow that hurts third world sigwhore.

I've adapted & still think you're an ass

@ the thread, awful news, I hope 2012 proves good for all businesses

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

You're completely missing my point... And took that specifically out of context. Perhaps its my fault for posting on my phone instead of on a keyboard where I can do 125 words a minute. She obviously didn't have the business accumen to continue competing and took it as far as she could. It's already been said the tour was never updated and she didnt have an affiliate program. I would venture to say that's just the start of a long missing list that also included no cascade, alternate billing options and likely an unsustainable price point with low volumes and exclusive content.

Brad

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Jesus.

He isn't defending piracy. He is saying people like to blame piracy for their problems, when in all honesty, their problems stem from a shit site, a shit tour, shit content and laziness.

The real problem for paysites isn't piracy. It needs to be looked at a lot deeper to find the real cause for the decline. IMO it was this.

Free porn.
Attitude towards customers.
Entry level for paysites and affiliates.
Piracy.

Free porn was always a thing that lost sales. It hit offline first and it would always grow, If BW got as cheap as it is today, then Tubes were inevitable. Look at traffic stats on piracy sites and Tubes to see where your customers have gone to.

Attitude towards customers has generally been poor in online. This led to card banging, cross sales and crap sites. People thinking they could buy some good scenes for the tour and crap stuff for the members area. We've all heard and read stories of how easy it is. Treat repeat customers badly, often enough and you lose them.

Entry level for paysites and affiliates it all took was a computer and a connection to be in the business. To open a paysite in 2005 wasn't nearly expensive enough, to open a good one was. But there were 100s of crap ones. John, it costs money to buy a decently designed tour, decent content and keep updating it. Then you're working at the beck and call of affiliates. Not that easy if you're not a big dog.

Piracy yes it's hurt the business. But look at the street from the other side.

You're a habitual buyer of online porn. You've had your card ripped, cross sold, bought memberships to sites where it was tough to cancel a membership or just a site with a nice tour ad samples and a crappy members area. In general you've been kicked in the balls too often.

Do you;

A Keep buying memberships?

B Find a few great sites and stick with them?

C Find Pornhub and Youjizz and stick with them?

D Instead of buying a membership and risk getting another kick, find the pirated site and download that for free?

We all know what many have chosen and we only have ourselves to blame.

And yes John people will always find other things to blame it on. Now a lot think it's the economy, even though online spending is booming. Ultimately it's easier than accepting the blame. Of course it solves nothing.

[czarina]

sorry to hear your site is gone

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The real problem for paysites isn't piracy. It needs to be looked at a lot deeper to find the real cause for the decline. IMO it was this.

Free porn.
Attitude towards customers.
Entry level for paysites and affiliates.
Piracy.

AFAIK free porn and piracy are exactly the same thing

So here is my list:
1) Piracy
2) Attitude towards customers
3) Quality of content
4) Lacking additional services like live video/webcam etc