wehateporn

So you do remember now, Bin Laden the official Al Qaeda leader was in the news pre-911

Maybe I'm taking too much for granted, but I'd suggest doing a bit of research before posting to disagree

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uno

It was the "Summer of the Shark". Clearly the sharks were in cahoots with al qeada and the news coverage was in code.

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wehateporn

I haven't got time to spoon feed right now, but I might have during the week

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porno jew

illuminati nanobots have taken over the brain of barack obama and now he is a mind controlled puppet who will trigger ww3 in order to user in the global new world order police state.

i would back up my theory with proof, references and facts but too busy now sorry.

wehateporn

Here's a quick example from 1999 http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...054517,00.html

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porno jew

yeah there were articles about bin laden/al qaeda before 911 no shit.

wehateporn

There were lots, I used to read newspapers back then every day, pretty much from start to finish. Back in the days when I believed what I read

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Oh here we go again!

wehateporn

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

Dec 1998: A Time magazine cover story entitled "The Hunt for Osama," reports that bin Laden may be planning his boldest move yet - a strike on Washington or possibly New York City. [Time, 12/21/98]

Late 1998-Early 2000: On at least three occasions, spies in Afghanistan report bin Laden's location. Each time, the president approves an attack. Each time, the CIA Director says the information is not reliable enough and the attack cannot go forward. [New York Times, 12/30/01, more]

Sept 1999: A US intelligence report states bin Laden and Al-Qaeda terrorists could crash an aircraft into the Pentagon. The Bush administration claims not to have heard of this report until May 2002, though it was widely shared within the government. [CNN, 5/18/02, AP, 5/18/02, Guardian, 5/19/02]

Jan 2000: George Bush Sr. meets with the bin Laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group. He also met with them in 1998. Bush's chief of staff could not remember that this meeting took place until shown a thank you note confirming the meeting. [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/01, Guardian, 10/31/01]

Summer 2000: A secret military operation named Able Danger identifies four future 9/11 hijackers, including lead hijacker Mohamed Atta, as a potential threat and members of Al Qaeda. Yet none of this is mentioned later in the 9/11 Commissions' final report. When questioned, the 9/11 commission's chief spokesman initially says that staff members briefed about Able Danger did not remember hearing anything about Atta. Days later, however, after provided detailed information, he says the uniformed officer who briefed two staff members had indeed mentioned Atta. [New York Times, 8/11/05, more]

Sept 2000: The think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC) writes the blueprint for a global "Pax Americana." Written for the Bush team before the 2000 election, Rebuilding America's Defenses is a plan for maintaining global US preeminence and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests. The plan shows Bush intends to take control of the Persian Gulf whether or not Saddam Hussein is in power. It advocates the transformation of the US military. But, "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbour". [BBC, 2/14/07, Sunday Herald, 9/7/02, read report, more]

2000 - 2001: The military conducts exercises simulating what the White House later says is unimaginable: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One imagined target is the WTC. [USA Today, 4/19/04] Another is the Pentagon. [Military District of Washington (Army), 11/3/00]

Jan 2001: After the elections, US intelligence agencies are told to "back off" investigating the bin Ladens and Saudi royals. There have always been constraints on investigating Saudis. [BBC, 11/6/01, more]

Spring 2001: Military and government documents are released that seek to legitimize the use of US military force in the pursuit of oil. One article advocates presidential subterfuge in the promotion of conflict and "explicitly urge[s] painting over the US's actual reasons for warfare as a necessity for mobilizing public support for a conflict." [Sydney Morning Herald, 12/26/02, more]

May 2001: US security chiefs reject Sudan's offer to turn over voluminous files about bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Sudan has made this offer repeatedly since 1995. [Guardian, 9/30/01, more]
May 2001: The US introduces "Visa Express" program allowing any Saudi Arabian to obtain visas through their travel agent instead of appearing at a consulate in person. [US News and World Report, 12/12/01] Five hijackers use Visa Express to enter the US. [Congressional Intelligence Committee, 9/20/02]

May-Aug 2001: A number of the 9/11 hijackers make at least six trips to Las Vegas. These "fundamentalist" Muslims drink alcohol, frequent strip clubs, and smoke hashish. Some even have strippers perform lap dances for them. [San Francisco Chronicle, 10/4/01, Newsweek, 10/15/01]

June 13, 2001: Egyptian President Mubarak through his intelligence services warns the US that bin Laden's Islamic terrorist network is threatening to kill Bush and other G8 leaders at their July economic summit meeting in Italy. The terrorists plan to use a plane stuffed with explosives. [NY Times, 9/26/01]

June 28, 2001: CIA Director George J. Tenet has been "nearly frantic" with concern. A written intelligence summary for national security adviser Condoleezza Rice says: "It is highly likely that a significant al Qaeda attack is in the near future, within several weeks." Rice will later claim that everyone was taken by complete surprise by the 9/11 attack. By late summer, one senior political appointee says, Tenet had repeated this threat "so often that people got tired of hearing it." [Washington Post, 5/17/02]
July 10, 2001: A Phoenix FBI agent sends a memorandum warning about Middle Eastern men taking flight lessons. He suspects bin Laden's followers and recommends a national program to check visas of suspicious flight-school students. The memo is sent to two FBI counter-terrorism offices, but no action is taken. [New York Times, 5/21/02] Vice President Cheney says in May 2002 that he opposes releasing this memo to congressional leaders or to the media and public. [CNN, 5/20/02]

July 24, 2001: Larry Silverstein's $3.2 billion 99-year lease of the WTC is finalized. Silverstein hopes to win $7 billion in insurance from the destruction of the WTC towers. [NY Times, 02/16/03, Newsday, 09/25/02]

July 26, 2001: Attorney General Ashcroft stops flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment. [CBS, 7/26/01] He later walks out of his office rather than answer questions about this. [AP, 5/16/02, more]

Late July 2001: The US and UN ignore warnings from the Taliban foreign minister that bin Laden is planning an imminent huge attack on US soil. The FBI and CIA also fail to take seriously warnings that Islamic fundamentalists have enrolled in flight schools across the US. [Independent, 9/7/02, more]

Summer 2001: Intelligence officials know that al Qaeda both hopes to use planes as weapons and seeks to strike a violent blow within the US, despite government claims following 9/11 that the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks came "like bolts from the blue." [Wall Street Journal, 09/19/02, CNN, 9/12/02]

Summer 2001: Russian President Putin later says publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US of suicide pilots training for attacks on US targets. [Fox, 5/17/02]

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence agents go to Washington to warn that a major attack is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan later backs away from it. [CS Monitor, 5/23/02]

Aug 5-11, 2001: Israel warns US of an imminent Al Qaeda attack. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

Aug 6, 2001: President Bush is warned by US intelligence that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners. The White House waits eight months after 9/11 to reveal this fact. [New York Times, 5/16/02] Titled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US," the intelligence briefing specifically mentions the World Trade Center. Yet Bush later states the briefing "said nothing about an attack on America." [CNN, 4/12/04, Washington Post, 4/12/04, White House, 4/11/04, CNN, 4/10/04, Intelligence Briefing, 8/6/01, more]

Aug 22, 2001: Top counter-terrorism expert John O'Neill quits the FBI due to repeated obstruction of his al-Qaeda investigations and a power play against him. He was the government's "most committed tracker of bin Laden and al-Qaeda." The next day he starts a new job as head of security at the WTC. He is killed weeks later in the World Trade Center during the 9/11 attack. [New Yorker, 1/14/02]

Aug 24, 2001: Frustrated with lack of response from FBI headquarters about detained suspect Moussaoui, the Minnesota FBI begins working with the CIA. The CIA sends alerts calling him a "suspect 747 airline suicide hijacker." Three days later an FBI Minnesota supervisor says he is trying to make sure that Moussaoui does not "take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center." [Senate Intelligence Committee, 10/17/02] FBI headquarters chastises Minnesota FBI for notifying the CIA. [Time, 5/21/02] FBI Director Mueller will later say "there was nothing the agency could have done to anticipate and prevent the [9/11] attacks." [Senate Intelligence Committee, 9/18/02, more]

Sept 10, 2001: A particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. "Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill." [Newsweek, 9/13/01] "A group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns." [Newsweek, 9/24/01, more]

Sept 10, 2001: Former president Bush is with a brother of Osama bin Laden at a Carlyle business conference. The conference is interrupted the next day by the attacks. [Washington Post, 3/16/03]

Sept 10, 2001: Defense Secretary Rumsfeld announces that by some estimates the Department of Defense "cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." CBS later calculates that 25% of the yearly defense budget is unaccounted for. A defense analyst says, "The books are cooked routinely year after year." [DOD, 9/10/01, CBS, 1/29/02] This announcement was buried by the next day's news of 9/11.

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porno jew

so do i but to say there was a massive propaganda push is just not true.

guess you could say there was a massive tom wolfe propaganda push in 1998 as well by those standards.

TheSquealer

Ok... lets get this straight. Because Bin Laden (Don't remember Al Queda before 9/11) was periodically in the news as it related to the embassy bombings, WTC attack 1, his terrorist bases etc... that was all just propaganda for... 9.11?

Huh?

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wehateporn

See above, I had to delete some as it wouldn't fit in one post

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wehateporn

Correct

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porno jew

can't have a thread without youtube "proof" i guess.

i enjoy adam curtis but the connections he makes among his data points are sometimes tenuous to just plain wrong. his docs are enjoyable to watch though.

wehateporn

Right, time for Media Guy, get in here, I've debated 9/11 far too many times

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wehateporn

I'll find it on Daily Motion for you next time

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Brujah

Yeah yeah, but when does the next Boxxy video come out?

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TheSquealer

I'm confused. You believe the mainstream media now? Or not? To use your logic, everything in the video is a lie.

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porno jew

thanks for clearing that up.

wehateporn

The video is for those who have their trust in the mainstream media, I had already read the same info elsewhere. The video is not for me, but I saw it as useful to pass to you with it being from the 'trusted' BBC

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TheSquealer

you are giving me what you openly believe to be a link to an untrusted news source, which is a video saying al queda doesn't exist as an example of propaganda used prior to 9/11 to prove al queda exists?

damn you make this confusing.

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wehateporn

That wasn't an example of Propaganda, I had moved on from the examples. It was a link from what I saw as one of your trusted news sources, which points out that Al Qaeda/Bin Laden is mainly based on propaganda, so hence all of the pre-911 Bin Laden stories were also propaganda

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TheSquealer

Why is it "my" trusted news source? Arguing that all news about Bin Laden before 9/11 was propaganda is silly being that he was training terrorists and launching terrorist attacks prior to 9/11. Even Al Jazeera wouldn't dispute that. He publicly declared Jihad against the West and US in 1996. Thats not in dispute either.

Are you saying Bin Laden wasn't a terrorist?

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wehateporn

We completely disagree on this, this could go on all night. Al Qaeda is controlled by the West, Al Jazeera is controlled by the West, it was all smoke and mirrors to use as an excuse for war. I'm sure you won't agree, which is fair enough, but I'll need to leave it at that for now

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porno jew

again another false claim you can't back up.

wehateporn

Sounds like you haven't watched it before? You only need to watch it for 30 minutes and you'll quickly get the idea

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TheSquealer

You're not following the "logic". Al Jazeera is very "anti west" in its news. Always the first to show the beheadings, Bin Ladens messages, other Al Queda messages and so on. The go to network for terrorists. Al Queda is controlled by the West, therefore Al Jazeera is also controlled by the West.

Please pay attention.

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porno jew

of course i watched it before. post proof that it is controlled by the west. no youtube videos allowed.

unlike you i just don't blindly believe what is claimed in some youtube video.

wehateporn

Once you've spent enough time researching the agenda, you can quickly work these things out for yourself, you don't need to be looking stuff up, the majority of things that flash up in the news can be quickly understood. The first question we ask is "Why are they telling us this?" You no longer take news at face value. No one told me that Al J was Western controlled, but it's perfectly clear when you watch it. Maybe there is 'proof' out there, maybe not. Once one has a good grasp of the agenda (of the Bankers) you can quickly identify their fruits

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porno jew

how is one supposed to research and discover something that doesn't exist?

you never seem to grasp that.

porno jew

i don't take news at face value. haven't since i was a teen. i read it critically. just like i read alternative media critically.

wehateporn

Read the UN agendas, there are many documents available online. Also look through the documents of the major Think Tanks. Find as many quotes/interviews from/with the Globalist Bankers. Get to the root, that you're best chance of finding what's really going on

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porno jew

so i am supposed to find proof that al jazeera is controlled by the west in UN reports? is quotes from the power elite?

you drunk or high right now?

wehateporn

Once you've learned the agenda, from much research, you'll know what to expect in advance, you'll see the agenda being played out in the mainstream media, then you notice that Al Jazeera also sprouts the same/similar propaganda to the Western media. If it's a coincidence it's an unlikely one

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TheSquealer

Conspiracy theorists hand out homework assignments like no one i've ever seen.

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porno jew

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

A delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence.[1] Unlike hallucinations, delusions are always pathological (the result of an illness or illness process).[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, dogma, poor memory, illusion, or other effects of perception.

Johnson-Laird suggests that delusions may be viewed as the natural consequence of failure to distinguish conceptual relevance. That is, the person takes irrelevant information and puts it in the form of disconnected experiences, then it is taken to be relevant in a manner that suggests false causal connections. Furthermore, the person takes the relevant information, in the form of counterexamples, and ignores it.[24]

wehateporn

The mainstream media is there to guide you, it's an important branch of government, you will not find the truth there, you'll just get shepherded around

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porno jew

i told you i don't trust anything the msm media says moron.

wehateporn

You trust more of it than you like to think you do

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porno jew

that quote is fake btw. there is no source for that.

but i know critical thinking isn't your strong point, you are a good little sheep unquestioningly swallowing anything the "alternative" media spoon feeds you.

porno jew

maybe one day your thinking will evolve beyond a simplistic either/or worldview. at this rate though, maybe not.

wehateporn

Maybe one day your arguments will be solid enough that you don't have to resort to continuously attacking the messenger

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porno jew

what am i supposed to do? most of what you post is demonstrably false and when called on it you tell me to try and find facts that don't exist.

wehateporn

You mean we disagree

I hate posting this stuff, I only do it out of duty, I have a strong sense of moral duty, to keep chipping away at the propaganda. If enough other people were posting the same I'd retire from it, but I can see that the majority of people have been completely misled.

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TheSquealer

You see yourself as a sort of prophet, leading the sheep away from the lion?

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V_RocKs

This thread sux

porno jew

what part of everything you post usually has no sources, is made up or taken out of context don't you understand?

guess i can say the moon is actually a spaceship out of moral and ethical duty but does not mean it's true.

wehateporn

I believe if there were enough people doing what I'm doing now, we could beat this propaganda, I'm not a prophet, I'm just doing what I believe everyone else should be doing. If we all did our little bit, it would be a whole lot harder for the Elite to get away with their crimes. I can do my part, but I can't force everyone else to do theirs

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