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Vendzilla 11-12-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18555598)
Yep, that's the lame twist that was clearly being talked about.

A twist Obama used in a speech


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Cause and effect, eh? Like, record deficit beyond anything before, massive housing crisis, and a crooked congress? Yeah.... not those causes I suspect.
So you agree there is a problem and the present administration is doing what?


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No idea, maybe more regulation is bad, maybe a trade war would be bad or good, I'm not sure... maybe that's why Obama hasn't done something?
Given our debt with them and Obama even stating a problem, don't you think a good leader would do something? Congress is trying to!
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It's not convenient, that's what it is... you are wrong, other Presidents have worked with nato in various conflicts and went through the same exact steps.
And where does that make it right or to what mit was intended to limit his power? I bet you were bitching about no WMD's


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You do not have that information to know that.... we did not run two different situations to know this outcome. All we know is they went bankrupt, got all debt removed, they made money with the bailout money, paid some back, and were able to start over fresh with billions-trillions to start with. Shit, that's before the regulations... so again for all you know, they may have profited more or something totally different - but you don't know that, nobody does.
Yes I do know that, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_866903.html

This is why it's your opinion.

More than an opinion, fact

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Wow, aren't they smart... they figured out how it works. I have no problem with this.

Good, you finally agree Obama care is not going to work as promised and the funding they used to get it past the CBO was incorrect


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My ego doesn't judge your hate for Obama.
Then why is it the one thing you keep bringing up?

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18555601)
Again, he didn't meet your speech guidelines, however he still did thank the people - which you denied, he did name them, which you didn't believe, and now he didn't say it how you wanted him too.... wow man.

He gave credit to himself for killing Osama, not the people that risked their life.


Just because you can make things up, doesn't mean they are correct

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 18555637)
Yep, staging was weak ... This is Top Notch :

http://www.commondreams.org/headline...es/1030-02.jpg


You really are a moron aren't you, he gave credit, he never claimed any for himself, instead of I, he said we and named commands responsible.


February 11, 2009 8:43 PM PrintText Text Of Bush Speech

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty, and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment ? yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage ? your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other ? made this day possible. Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision, and speed, and boldness the enemy did not expect, and the world had not seen before. From distant bases or ships at sea, we sent planes and missiles that could destroy an enemy division, or strike a single bunker. Marines and soldiers charged to Baghdad across 350 miles of hostile ground, in one of the swiftest advances of heavy arms in history. You have shown the world the skill and the might of the American Armed Forces.

This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a noble cause. We thank the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland, who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of their own country. And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary (Donald) Rumsfeld, for General (Tommy) Franks, and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done.

The character of our military through history ? the daring of Normandy, the fierce courage of Iwo Jima, the decency and idealism that turned enemies into allies ? is fully present in this generation. When Iraqi civilians looked into the faces of our servicemen and women, they saw strength, and kindness, and good will. When I look at the members of the United States military, I see the best of our country, and I am honored to be your commander in chief.

In the images of fallen statues, we have witnessed the arrival of a new era. For a hundred years of war, culminating in the nuclear age, military technology was designed and deployed to inflict casualties on an ever-growing scale. In defeating Nazi Germany and imperial Japan, Allied Forces destroyed entire cities, while enemy leaders who started the conflict were safe until the final days. Military power was used to end a regime by breaking a nation. Today, we have the greater power to free a nation by breaking a dangerous and aggressive regime. With new tactics and precision weapons, we can achieve military objectives without directing violence against civilians. No device of man can remove the tragedy from war. Yet it is a great advance when the guilty have far more to fear from war than the innocent.

In the images of celebrating Iraqis, we have also seen the ageless appeal of human freedom. Decades of lies and intimidation could not make the Iraqi people love their oppressors or desire their own enslavement. Men and women in every culture need liberty like they need food, and water, and air. Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices. And everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear.

We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We are pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We have begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. And then we will leave ? and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001, and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men ? the shock troops of a hateful ideology ? gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the "beginning of the end of America." By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.

In the Battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists, and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people lay roads, restore hospitals, and educate all of their children. Yet we also have dangerous work to complete. As I speak, a special operations task force, led by the 82nd Airborne, is on the trail of the terrorists, and those who seek to undermine the free government of Afghanistan. America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.

From Pakistan to the Philippines to the Horn of Africa, we are hunting down al-Qaida killers. Nineteen months ago, I pledged that the terrorists would not escape the patient justice of the United States. And as of tonight, nearly one-half of al-Qaida's senior operatives have been captured or killed.

The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of al-Qaida, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.

In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused, and deliberate, and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th ? the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got.

Our war against terror is proceeding according to principles that I have made clear to all:

Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country, and a target of American justice.

Any person, organization, or government that supports, protects, or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent, and equally guilty of terrorist crimes.

Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups, and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction, is a grave danger to the civilized world, and will be confronted.

And anyone in the world, including the Arab world, who works and sacrifices for freedom has a loyal friend in the United States of America.

Our commitment to liberty is America's tradition ? declared at our founding, affirmed in Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms, asserted in the Truman Doctrine, and in Ronald Reagan's challenge to an evil empire. We are committed to freedom in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in a peaceful Palestine. The advance of freedom is the surest strategy to undermine the appeal of terror in the world. Where freedom takes hold, hatred gives way to hope. When freedom takes hold, men and women turn to the peaceful pursuit of a better life. American values, and American interests, lead in the same direction: We stand for human liberty.

The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in many ways ? with all the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement, intelligence, and finance. We are working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the threat, and our shared responsibility to meet it. The use of force has been, and remains, our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.

Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland ? and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.

The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory.

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 04:13 PM

Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more than to return home. And that is your direction tonight. After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war — after 100,000 miles, on the longest carrier deployment in recent history — you are homeward bound. Some of you will see new family members for the first time — 150 babies were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are proud of you, and your nation will welcome you.

We are mindful as well that some good men and women are not making the journey home. One of those who fell, Corporal Jason Mileo, spoke to his parents five days before his death. Jason's father said, "He called us from the center of Baghdad, not to brag, but to tell us he loved us. Our son was a soldier." Every name, every life, is a loss to our military, to our nation, and to the loved ones who grieve. There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray, in God's time, their reunion will come.

Those we lost were last seen on duty. Their final act on this earth was to fight a great evil, and bring liberty to others. All of you — all in this generation of our military — have taken up the highest calling of history. You are defending your country, and protecting the innocent from harm. And wherever you go, you carry a message of hope — a message that is ancient, and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah: "To the captives, 'Come out!' and to those in darkness, 'Be free!"'

Thank you for serving our country and our cause. May God bless you all, and may God continue to bless America.

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 04:15 PM

In comparison, Obama is just someone looking out for himself

porno jew 11-12-2011 04:17 PM

like bush wrote that himself. vendzilla takes stupidity to new levels. he's like the paul markham of political debate.

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18555662)
like bush wrote that himself. vendzilla takes stupidity to new levels. he's like the paul markham of political debate.

Um, you think Obama wrote his speech?
Before you post something, try thinking first, I know it's a new concept and we can always use the laugh at your lame attempts of humor, but it's getting old

TheDoc 11-12-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555645)
He gave credit to himself for killing Osama, not the people that risked their life.


Just because you can make things up, doesn't mean they are correct

He gave direct credit to the people that did it... it was quoted, it's in the video, and clearly you're just ignoring it..... saying I'm making it up, when he without question said it, does not make you correct, ignoring it does not make you correct - however it does make you bat shit crazy.

porno jew 11-12-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555669)
Um, you think Obama wrote his speech?
Before you post something, try thinking first, I know it's a new concept and we can always use the laugh at your lame attempts of humor, but it's getting old

possibly, but laughing at your dead brain never does. :1orglaugh

Barry-xlovecam 11-12-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
Opinion? ok, all these unions and states and big companies have figured out how to beast the system that the obamacare law brings and put the cost off on the tax payer, simple enough for you?
The person insured pays for healthcare always -- either directly, in reduced wages from his employer or the higher cost of goods -- the government pays for the uninsured at the Medicaid rate I think then there is Medicare and Medicaid.

So, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (AKA: Obamacare) depends on the uninsured getting insurance --- BWAAAAA! Why should the government (i.e.; the taxpayer) pay their way? There is Medicaid if they are too poor to pay. Apart from that, it is less socialistic than a single payer system. (Protecting health insurers and providers revenues).

You have to pay for healthcare in a civilized society the alternative is to have people dying in the streets. I don't think the Chinese healthcare model http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...-care_in_China is for us ...

In any event, the individual ends up paying. And if you think that the government can just print money -- that amounts to a devaluation of your assets. Inflation sounds so more palatable but in truth inflation is the cruelest hidden tax.

I think that most noticeable price increases are connected to higher oil costs -- yet we subsidize the oil industry's costs -- are we shielding our cost or insuring the profits of big oil? Everything else is almost flat or deflated (e.g.; real estate values).

When you are getting fucked it's nice to know who is fucking you.

TheDoc 11-12-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
A twist Obama used in a speech

Another lame pointless twist...


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
So you agree there is a problem and the present administration is doing what?

Off topic.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
Given our debt with them and Obama even stating a problem, don't you think a good leader would do something? Congress is trying to!

You act as if he is blocking it and stopping it. You're just not happy he's not standing up and praising it, well not that you've heard at least.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
And where does that make it right or to what mit was intended to limit his power? I bet you were bitching about no WMD's

Iraq was not a nato started conflict. His power is limited exactly how all Presidents powers are limited with war.



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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
Yes I do know that, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_866903.html

This is why it's your opinion.

More than an opinion, fact

Lame very off topic twist... notice the article says nothing about regulations or obama's regulations making profits higher. Again, your opinion is not fact.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
Good, you finally agree Obama care is not going to work as promised and the funding they used to get it past the CBO was incorrect

I never said it would work as they expected, I've always said I'm glad they did something and didn't care what they did. I want to 100% socialize all medical costs, exactly like Canada has it. I know it can work, I've seen it work, and I don't really care if you or anyone else doesn't like it, if it costs more or not, or whatever bullshit excuse you can think of - I 100% support it, without question.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555642)
Then why is it the one thing you keep bringing up?

Because your hate blinds you. It makes you twist the truth within your head so it matches the truth your hate created for you.

TheDoc 11-12-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555653)
You really are a moron aren't you, he gave credit, he never claimed any for himself, instead of I, he said we and named commands responsible.

Being that you think Obama took credit, here are all the I's in Obama's speech.

"Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden"

"shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority"

"I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden"

"I met repeatedly with my national security team"

"I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action"

"Tonight, I called President Zardari"

"I know that it has, at times, frayed."


Oh and here's the thanks to the actual people....

"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores.
"


Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_856122.html

MaDalton 11-12-2011 05:21 PM

when i read Bush speech i am not sure if i should cry or laugh.

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18555728)
The person insured pays for healthcare always -- either directly, in reduced wages from his employer or the higher cost of goods -- the government pays for the uninsured at the Medicaid rate I think then there is Medicare and Medicaid.

So, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (AKA: Obamacare) depends on the uninsured getting insurance --- BWAAAAA! Why should the government (i.e.; the taxpayer) pay their way? There is Medicaid if they are too poor to pay. Apart from that, it is less socialistic than a single payer system. (Protecting health insurers and providers revenues).

You have to pay for healthcare in a civilized society the alternative is to have people dying in the streets. I don't think the Chinese healthcare model http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...-care_in_China is for us ...

In any event, the individual ends up paying. And if you think that the government can just print money -- that amounts to a devaluation of your assets. Inflation sounds so more palatable but in truth inflation is the cruelest hidden tax.

I think that most noticeable price increases are connected to higher oil costs -- yet we subsidize the oil industry's costs -- are we shielding our cost or insuring the profits of big oil? Everything else is almost flat or deflated (e.g.; real estate values).

When you are getting fucked it's nice to know who is fucking you.

Obama made the healthcare system worse

I woluld like see all that oil in Bakken used more http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/04/news...kken/index.htm

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18555744)
Being that you think Obama took credit, here are all the I's in Obama's speech.

"Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden"

"shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority"

"I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden"

"I met repeatedly with my national security team"

"I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action"

"Tonight, I called President Zardari"

"I know that it has, at times, frayed."


Oh and here's the thanks to the actual people....

"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores.
"


Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_856122.html

OK, so who did he thank? List please

kronic 11-12-2011 05:29 PM

I seriously don't know why you waste your time Doc. Obama could wake up tomorrow with an irrefutable cure for all cancers and the Republican's would twist it somehow, not give him credit and even find blame.

"How long have you had the cure? How many people have died because you waited so long to give us the cure?" etc. etc. etc.

It'd be the same thing if the economy turned tomorrow. The Republican's would take credit (because THEY put things in place 30 years ago) and blame Obama at the same time (it would have worked SOONER if YOU hadn't screwed things up).

I'm still waiting to hear Vendzilla's claim that Obama said he could wave a magic wand and fix the economy but I'm not holding my breath.

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18555750)
when i read Bush speech i am not sure if i should cry or laugh.

Laugh or cry, at least he gave credit to where credit was deserved. I never cared much for Bush, But at least he didn't act like this was all about him

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kronic (Post 18555758)
I seriously don't know why you waste your time Doc. Obama could wake up tomorrow with an irrefutable cure for all cancers and the Republican's would twist it somehow, not give him credit and even find blame.

"How long have you had the cure? How many people have died because you waited so long to give us the cure?" etc. etc. etc.

It'd be the same thing if the economy turned tomorrow. The Republican's would take credit (because THEY put things in place 30 years ago) and blame Obama at the same time (it would have worked SOONER if YOU hadn't screwed things up).

I'm still waiting to hear Vendzilla's claim that Obama said he could wave a magic wand and fix the economy but I'm not holding my breath.

I stated the present condition of the US and present administration, if you have a problem with that, please tell me where I'm wrong, because Doc has been only giving me excuses like Obama does, people get a little tired of that

kronic 11-12-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555756)
OK, so who did he thank? List please

we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation


Did you miss that or conveniently ignore it? Or that doesn't satisfy you?

Not admitting something this silly only makes you look irrational and doesn't lend yourself or your party any credibility. People get a little tired of THAT.

MaDalton 11-12-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555761)
Laugh or cry, at least he gave credit to where credit was deserved. I never cared much for Bush, But at least he didn't act like this was all about him

and i dont give a shit about who personally killed Osama. but i give a shit about someone lying about WMDs, starting 2 wars, leaving 2 devastated countries that are worse off than before and claiming it a victory.

but i am sure in your eyes thats also Obamas fault somehow

kronic 11-12-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555765)
I stated the present condition of the US and present administration, if you have a problem with that, please tell me where I'm wrong, because Doc has been only giving me excuses like Obama does, people get a little tired of that

Since I know you SAW my post, I'll ask for it again...

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Originally Posted by kronic
I'm still waiting to hear Vendzilla's claim that Obama said he could wave a magic wand and fix the economy


Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18555730)
Another lame pointless twist...




Off topic.




You act as if he is blocking it and stopping it. You're just not happy he's not standing up and praising it, well not that you've heard at least.




Iraq was not a nato started conflict. His power is limited exactly how all Presidents powers are limited with war.





Lame very off topic twist... notice the article says nothing about regulations or obama's regulations making profits higher. Again, your opinion is not fact.




I never said it would work as they expected, I've always said I'm glad they did something and didn't care what they did. I want to 100% socialize all medical costs, exactly like Canada has it. I know it can work, I've seen it work, and I don't really care if you or anyone else doesn't like it, if it costs more or not, or whatever bullshit excuse you can think of - I 100% support it, without question.




Because your hate blinds you. It makes you twist the truth within your head so it matches the truth your hate created for you.

I show you facts and all you have is trhe bullshit card, okay, or that I hate Obama, well I do, but I haven't interjected opinion much here., too many facts you ignore.

You even ignored that the banks are doing great under the law that Obama put them under and that doesn't worry you?

I'm done, I spoke my peace, if you guys want to keep your blinders on and ignore whats going on, so be it.

kronic 11-12-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18555772)
and i dont give a shit about who personally killed Osama. but i give a shit about someone lying about WMDs, starting 2 wars, leaving 2 devastated countries that are worse off than before and claiming it a victory.

but i am sure in your eyes thats also Obamas fault somehow

When Obama gave that speech, HE had no idea who killed Bin Laden. I don't know if he even does now.

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18555772)
and i dont give a shit about who personally killed Osama. but i give a shit about someone lying about WMDs, starting 2 wars, leaving 2 devastated countries that are worse off than before and claiming it a victory.

but i am sure in your eyes thats also Obamas fault somehow

I never liked any of the wars, but wait, you claim 2 countries, do you know how many we are in now?

So get your facts straight

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kronic (Post 18555777)
When Obama gave that speech, HE had no idea who killed Bin Laden. I don't know if he even does now.

So you don't that was kind of important? You know, knowing some of the facts?

Barry-xlovecam 11-12-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555755)
Obama made the healthcare system worse ..

How were you personally affected?

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kronic (Post 18555774)
Since I know you SAW my post, I'll ask for it again...

He got his stimulus package, the main goal, at least thats what we were promised was to save and create jobs, over 80% of the funds when to government spending and programs, read my first post before weighing in with a question.

kronic 11-12-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555781)
So you don't that was kind of important? You know, knowing some of the facts?

lol, I go back to my cancer analogy.

It was KEPT from him. They didn't tell. He didn't ask. You think he should have NAMED the guy that put a bullet through his brain so the entire Muslim world could put out a bounty on his head? Are you serious?

porno jew 11-12-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555786)
He got his stimulus package, the main goal, at least thats what we were promised was to save and create jobs, over 80% of the funds when to government spending and programs, read my first post before weighing in with a question.

facepalm.jpg

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18555782)
How were you personally affected?

I'm lucky, I'm healthy

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kronic (Post 18555787)
lol, I go back to my cancer analogy.

It was KEPT from him. They didn't tell. He didn't ask. You think he should have NAMED the guy that put a bullet through his brain so the entire Muslim world could put out a bounty on his head? Are you serious?

a seal team would have been the right thing to say. But instead he gave credit for his actions

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18555788)
facepalm.jpg

Hey Troll, no replies?

porno jew 11-12-2011 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555794)
Hey Troll, no replies?

it's obvious you don't even know what modern economic stimulus is and how it works. you are ridiculous.

it's like talking string theory with a retard. have no idea why people waste their time tbh.

kronic 11-12-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555792)
a seal team would have been the right thing to say. But instead he gave credit for his actions

OMFG...

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Originally Posted by kronic (Post 18555769)
we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation


Did you miss that or conveniently ignore it? Or that doesn't satisfy you?

Not admitting something this silly only makes you look irrational and doesn't lend yourself or your party any credibility. People get a little tired of THAT.

The men who carried out this operation = A SEAL TEAM!

You're calling other people trolls? I hope for your sake that that's what you're doing here, because if you're not, you're just ignorant. If you're NOT ignorant, you're sure making yourself look it in here.

I'm now going to take my own advice to Doc because I'm tired of talking in circles.

"Conspiracy theorists don't have any answers, only questions."

Barry-xlovecam 11-12-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555791)
I'm lucky, I'm healthy

For how long ...
Do you have any private health insurance?
Who is going to be paying your bill?
You were in the Navy you say so the VA will pay -- How is that funded?
It's a Veteran's Benefit so who pays?
The taxpayer -- I don't begrudge the benefit.
But VA Medical coverage is an entitlement -- end of discussion ...

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18555801)
it's obvious you don't even know what modern economic stimulus is and how it works. you are ridiculous.

it's like talking string theory with a retard. have no idea why people waste their time tbh.

please tell me how it's lowering the unemployment rate like it was promised to do, or are you too fucking retarded to know it's been above 9% since then?

MaDalton 11-12-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555778)
I never liked any of the wars, but wait, you claim 2 countries, do you know how many we are in now?

So get your facts straight

you know exactly what i am talking about, dont try to troll me

Vendzilla 11-12-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18555810)
For how long ...
Do you have any private health insurance?
Who is going to be paying your bill?
You were in the Navy you say so the VA will pay -- How is that funded?
It's a Veteran's Benefit so who pays?
The taxpayer -- I don't begrudge the benefit.
But VA Medical coverage is an entitlement -- end of discussion ...

I have private insurance, but if needed I could use the VA, never have.

So end of discussion, although I really don't understand what that had to do with anything

porno jew 11-12-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18555811)
please tell me how it's lowering the unemployment rate like it was promised to do, or are you too fucking retarded to know it's been above 9% since then?

you don't even know basic definitions of words, theories. how can anyone argue anything with you? what you think very basic words mean is incorrect. that's why any debate with you is retarded. you are very very dumb.


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