If anyone thinks the shitstorm of an economy he inherited can be fixed with the wave of a wand, then they would be pretty stupid.

Actually, Obama thought he could, so there's your answer

After Reagan? So we get to wait until after Obama is done next term for you to judge him? Your chart isn't after Reagan, so your statement is a bit confusing being that we're talking about rates during his Presidency.

Which doesn't dispute the fact that Obama's unemployment numbers are better than Reagan's.

And Reagan didn't have to deal with a record number of others filibustering everything the came across the table... hell, Obama is actually kicking his ass when all factors are considered.

Reagan didn't have a problem working with the other side unlike Obama, he worked with Tip O'neill. Maybe if Obama did what he said about reaching across the isle instead of going back on his word so he could blame the gop for his fuck ups, things would be better?

Obama said "I think we should approach it the same way Tip O?Neill and Ronald Reagan did back in 1983. They came together"

If Obama is kicking ass? why is unemployment average for Obama about 9.5% and 4 million people are underemployed?

12 million more added to food stamps, gas prices have gone up 80% since he took office, or are you just referring to the 140,000 new government jobs to handle the
45,696 pages of new regulatory rules were added to the Federal Register?

You know that 7 members of his economic team have resigned?

Maybe you are talking about his foreign policy where China owns 1.17trillion of our debt, or maybe going into more countries with out congress with troops and drones.

Of course maybe you love the environment, because the he spent 26 billion on the EPA and plans to spend more.


OK, lets see, what are you going to say he's done? well there's the new bank regulations
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Wall Street firms ? independent companies and the securities-trading arms of banks ? are doing even better. They earned more in the first 2 1/2 years of the Obama administration than they did during the eight years of the George W. Bush administration, industry data show. [...]

The largest banks, including Bank of America, Citigroup and Wells Fargo, earned $34 billion in profit in the first half of the year, nearly matching what they earned in the same period in 2007 and more than in the same period of any other year.

Securities firms ? the trading arms of big banks and hundreds of other independent firms ? have fared even better. They?ve generated at least $83 billion in profit during the past 2 1/2 years, compared with $77 billion during the entire Bush administration, according to data from the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association.
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or maybe he got the healthcare bill passed
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Companies and Unions need to request waivers of the requirements for a $750,000 level of coverage and comprehensive services including vision, dental, and other services when they currently provide much lower levels of health insurance for their employees illuminates the central problem with the law. To paraphrase Jimmy McMillan: the cost is too damn high.

Most small companies can?t afford to provide comprehensive fee for service, unmanaged health insurance to their employees. If business can?t provide it now, the unaffordable of comprehensive insurance will be transferred to the taxpayers. Subsidies will be provided to the new insurance exchanges and we?ll have to borrow trillions of dollars more in the coming years to pay for it.

If Obamacare succeeds in its essential goal of providing comprehensive health insurance to another 30 million people, companies will be foolish not to put their employees into the newly created plans. Certainly all the companies and organizations that have requested waivers will be doing exactly that. They can?t afford comprehensive insurance now and won?t be able to afford it in 2014.

Maybe this is why whole states have opted out of obamacare?

Regardless of what Obama is or what has happened since he or whoever came into office, and pick any front runners at the time, they got a huge bag of flaming dog shit to fix. Sure the bag isent on fire now but hey.. it still smells like shit. If everyone cant look back to the late 90s as to now and not know why the US economy is where it is today... then well. There is no hope. :2 cents:

The other side isn't working with Obama, hence the record amount of filibusters. Even filibusters on things they've voted yes before, things they've tried to pass before, things Obama tried to work with them on, but they deny just about everything.

Obama's unemployment rate is lower than Reagan's with the same amount of time in office.

With more people in the Country than 20-30 years ago, you will have more unemployed people today, that's just natural.

Don't care how many have resigned.

Obama didn't create the China debt, he's just part of the reason it continues. And Congress did authorize the Nato operation already, I've shown you this already, several times, based on what Congress did sign with Nato - and other Presidents have used, and he did notify them too.... not that he has to.

Yep, bailouts that cover your bad debts mean you get to start fresh and make more money. Welcome to starting to understand part of the ows movement.

I love the healthcare bill.

Yep, they've negotiated for years for the deals they have, that's understandable. It's smart of the Obama admin to let those go through rather than deal with more delays and possible court issues, that unions would for sure start.

Sound good to me, I know the tax payer can afford it, we just need to get to pushing for cost regulations rather than pretending like moving forward is a bad thing, and cutting friv spending which will easily pay for it.

States think they have a right to opt out, thus some do - that's how our Country works until Congress says otherwise or agrees.



We can go into all the bat shit crazy shit Reagan did to fuck this Country if you like... record spending being at the top, savings and loans fuck up ie: bad bank deregs - that's the short and nasty list, before all the Reagan admin scandals of course.

Yep... right on par with Obama, just a different time period..

I gave facts, you gave opinions.

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I agree with that. And I would like to see him put together a real concept that will create jobs. Its a vicious cycle. No jobs so low demand. so business dont expand.

My suggestion is to modify all unused manufacturing facilities to build wind turbines. My understanding is that they are putting them up as fast as they can get the turbines. There is enough wind from texas to ND to power the entire country. Get energy costs down with massive wind turbines program. create jobs. spend money now to stimulate economy that will have a long term benefit.

Your an idiot for believing the whole fucking game anyway. :) Just sayin'.

Do you understand the King's English?

Re-read what I wrote. I blamed Congress as much as Obama. Congress has been big spenders, going back to Reagan. Reagan didn't want to spend all that money, he compromised with Congress. It's like blaming a rape victim for the rape.

And furthermore, you are right about the time thing. But it is ALOT longer than four years. This economy has been brewing for the last half century, since the beginning of the welfare state. The cumulative effects of paying hundreds of millions of people TRILLIONS of dollars to do nothing, has finally caught up with us. And there is hell to pay. We are now almost a carbon copy of a European socialist country. That is a fact. Reversing direction is not going to be easy.

Is this how you debate? Someone tells you something and rather than say why, you call them names? Just Saying?

In black and white. :2 cents:

Reagan didn't want to spend the money? You're not going to blame it on his alzheimer's are you? Do you understand how the legislative process works? Here, hopefully this isn't too complex for you to understand:




I like a good debate, but some of the shit that gets posted on this board is so insanely idiotic that it doesn't even warrant a thoughtful response. I'm not trying to single you out, but this post is just riddled with bullshit, it's completely ridiculous. Same type of uninformed, knee-jerk response without a shred of accurate information to back it up that gets posted twenty times a day here. Just blind ideology.

Well it is a fact that the Republicans did filibuster damn near everything. Even things they've agreed on and voted on before. What you posted is not fact - Obama has worked across the table, however the other side of the table has failed to work with him, and that is a fact.

It is a fact that Obama's unemployment rate is lower at the same time than Reagan's.

Both facts that have supporting links posted posted in this thread.

And it is a fact that Reagan helped create the banking problems of today and he did have record spending too.

It appears you're confused on what an opinion actually is.

Entering office at the start of the biggest recession since the Great Depression might have something to do with it.

The majority of that borrowed money went to fighting two, decade long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Criticize Obama on the economy all you want, but you really cannot knock the way he's been handling the war on terror.



http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov...t-becomes-law/

I don't know why they didn't just reinstate Glass-Steagall, but you can't say he did nothing as far as regulation.

Let me point out your opinions vs. facts.

Opinion - not fact.


Twisted fact... the same question could be asked to Reagan at the same period of time in office.


Twisted fact... this is the result of unemployment, not Obama.


Twisted facts... Obama didn't create the debt.

It's your opinion that Congress has to approve nato conflicts.


Opinion... the budget isn't that much for it and he cut part of the epa.


This is twisted gibberish, not any type of fact that makes a difference.


The why of these is pure opinion....




See that was simple, really you posted basically no facts and simply showed your hate for Obama, again.

Obama has been far less than adequate. He followed on the heels of the worst President since Grant and his reelection is being challenged by perhaps the weakest field in the history of the Republican party.

'Better than Bush' is hardly a strong legacy, and able to defeat Bachman/Romney/Cain etc isn't any better. He has perpetuated some terrible bush era policies like gitmo, failed to strengthen government regulations (look at what lack of energy regulation did in the BP gulf oil spill) and proven to be inept at passing real sweeping health care reform in the face of the insurance lobby.

The good news is he is still light years better than bush ever was. The bad news is so is anyone else, so it's not much of a compliment.

Nope... you saw them after Bush.

I agree in that I dont like bush all that much as a presient. the problem is that Obama is spineless, and a liar to boot.

Bush on the other hand was like, 'howdy, Im dumb, and I'm a burnt out coke head deserter, but I AM THE DECIDER, so do what I says bitch'

Being the president is (obviously) a tough job, but the problem with obama is he doesnt hold his word on anything.

I felt with bush, that he at least got what he wanted done, and didnt sugar coat the shit he fed you.

Ultimately the problem is that everyone KNEW the recession was coming, and we the people elected him on the premise that he'd stop wasting money on war, and spend time on the domestic economy. Obama has instead focus on killing terrorists.

I'm fine with killing terrorists in a good economy, everyone needs a hobby. but in a bad economy we should be focusing on getting back to the good.

he seems to give them credit constantly LOL

bad or good, people will still vote for him because what republicans have to offer is laughable..

I'd be interested in hearing that.

So you're blaming a president that's dead and the minority party for the current leadership's problems? Convenient!

If we had a good leader, he would place the blame on himself and not everyone else

Listen again, he never gave anyone credit by name, even to the group, just a small grouip of Americans, but he said "I" a hell of a lot.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

I use history to show that Reagan is one of the people that helped create the issues of today. It was not a minority party that created the issues of today or even a single party. The current leadership did not create the problems of actual issues of today. The truth is convenient.

Why would Obama or anyone blame themselves for issues they didn't create or continue to create? That just isn't logical.

He seems to say exactly who it is and thanks them, and says what we are thankful for, what they did, why they aren't named and even gave a shout out to the american people and the military.

"Tonight we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counter terror pros.... American people do not see them or know their names......We give thanks to the men that carried out this operation....they show the professional, patriotism, and courage that of those that serve our country.....families of 9/11, we have never forgotten your loss nor wavered in our commitment....they are all part of the generation that serve the burden of our country.....Today is achievement is a testament to the greatness of our Country..."

Opinion that Reagan worked with Tip O'neill?


Actually no, but nice spin, Reagans high was short lived and dropped as soon as he started working on it, when Obama started working on it, it stopped after it sank a little more and stayed there

Cause and effect


But he's not doing anything about China , Congress is passing the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011 to regulate or to prevent China from regulating its currency. China has come back and said that if we did that there would be a trade war. Yet Obama isn't getting behind it, why?

Conveinent to call them Nato conflicts, the spirit of the limits he has had been broken.




Whatg part did he cut , the personal hookers?
So you don't understand they made more money with the regulation that Obama put them on thatn they did being unregulated, where would you like me to send the hook on phonics?
Opinion? ok, all these unions and states and big companies have figured out how to beast the system that the obamacare law brings and put the cost off on the tax payer, simple enough for you?


I stated all sorts of fact, just because your ego can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there..

Ok, from what you posted, what department did it? What branch of the military?

It's not logical when they can blame others? Again, thats not good leadership.

A good leader would be fixing the problems, not adding to them

Sorry he didn't meet your award acceptance speech guidelines, I guess Obama should be watching the Hollywood awards more to get it right.

Now let's use some logic: He names the unnamed, says thanks to the men that carried out directly, and gives a quick bump to those that serve our country.

So he does thank people... which you said he didn't do, now you don't approve of how he thanked them and what he said. Nice twist btw.

Thankfully he doesn't go blurt out to the world which special operations team and under which command it happened and each of the intelligence members, then you would really have something to flip your lid about.


"Obama ~ Tonight we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counter terror pros.... American people do not see them or know their names......We give thanks to the men that carried out this operation....they show the professional, patriotism, and courage that of those that serve our country.....families of 9/11, we have never forgotten your loss nor wavered in our commitment....they are all part of the generation that serve the burden of our country.....Today is achievement is a testament to the greatness of our Country..."

He should have been humbled by the those that put their lives at risk, instead he used I and MY direction, like he shot Osama himself

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA



https://youtube.com/watch?v=QTcL6Xc_eMM

Yep, that's the lame twist that was clearly being talked about.



Cause and effect, eh? Like, record deficit beyond anything before, massive housing crisis, and a crooked congress? Yeah.... not those causes I suspect.



No idea, maybe more regulation is bad, maybe a trade war would be bad or good, I'm not sure... maybe that's why Obama hasn't done something?

It's not convenient, that's what it is... you are wrong, other Presidents have worked with nato in various conflicts and went through the same exact steps.


You do not have that information to know that.... we did not run two different situations to know this outcome. All we know is they went bankrupt, got all debt removed, they made money with the bailout money, paid some back, and were able to start over fresh with billions-trillions to start with. Shit, that's before the regulations... so again for all you know, they may have profited more or something totally different - but you don't know that, nobody does.

This is why it's your opinion.

Wow, aren't they smart... they figured out how it works. I have no problem with this.



My ego doesn't judge your hate for Obama.

Again, he didn't meet your speech guidelines, however he still did thank the people - which you denied, he did name them, which you didn't believe, and now he didn't say it how you wanted him too.... wow man.

But Vendzilla is right .. He did not name them by their name, unlike `Scooter' outing Valerie Plane with Dick Cheney go ahead..

Obama should have outed them as well, then lie.

Yep, staging was weak ... This is Top Notch :

http://www.commondreams.org/headline...es/1030-02.jpg

where did you see that?