Judge halts welfare applicant drug testing in Florida

[epitome]

An Orlando federal judge on Monday temporarily blocked the state from drug testing welfare applicants in a case involving a Central Florida father, rejecting many of the state's claims of why the probes are legal.

Luis W. Lebron, a 35-year-old University of Central Florida student who served in the Navy, applied with the Florida Department of Children and Families for emergency cash assistance this summer to help raise his 4-year-old son.

The drug testing ? a campaign pledge by Gov. Rick Scott ? began July 1 for applicants trying to get cash assistance througha program called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

From July through September, more than 21,000 applicants have been approved for welfare, and only 32 have tested positive for drugs ? although the department notes another 1,597 filled out the paperwork for benefits but then declined to take the drug test.

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[porno jew]

next they should sterilize the idiot voters who clamor for this shit.

[epitome]

Hey, I support welfare drug testing!

Not the stupid piss test anybody can pass though. Let's get some bulk discounts on hair testing! ... and also randomly test people 48 hours after they get their money.

[blackmonsters]

I think the judge probably asked himself this question :

Why just test welfare people?

Why not test :

- Social Security recipients
- government grant recipients?
- Medicaid recips
- unemployment benefits recips
- Pell Grant recips
- G.I. Bill recips
- People who claim "Earned Income Credit"
- People who use the Public Defender(that's gov money)
- politicians that get money from that box on your tax return(check if you want $1 to go to...)

[epitome]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I think the judge probably asked himself this question :

Why just test welfare people?

Why not test :

- Social Security recipients
- government grant recipients?
- Medicaid recips
- unemployment benefits recips
- Pell Grant recips
- G.I. Bill recips
- People who claim "Earned Income Credit"
- People who use the Public Defender(that's gov money)
- politicians that get money from that box on your tax return(check if you want $1 to go to...)

At least four of those things are things where people work to get them.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I think the judge probably asked himself this question :

Why just test welfare people?

Why not test :

- Social Security recipients
- government grant recipients?
- Medicaid recips
- unemployment benefits recips
- Pell Grant recips
- G.I. Bill recips
- People who claim "Earned Income Credit"
- People who use the Public Defender(that's gov money)
- politicians that get money from that box on your tax return(check if you want $1 to go to...)

Why not just test everyone renewing their driver's license.

[epitome]

Welfare is supposed to help you cover your basic needs. If you have enough money to buy drugs you don't need welfare.

(I also support drug testing of the bailed out bankers)

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by epitome

At least four of those things are things where people work to get them.

But they ain't working when they get them!
Just like people on welfare.

And besides that, you are assuming that people on welfare didn't work and pay
taxes before their life hit the skids and they needed welfare.

As far as those people are concerned, they paid into the system while they were working
just like everybody else. But now that they are on the skids they are accused
of never working or even paying a dime in taxes. That would be a lie.

[Mr Pheer]

Require 5 hours per month of community service from all welfare applicants that arent disabled, and watch the number of applications drop. Forget the drug testing.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Require 5 hours per month of community service from all welfare applicants that arent disabled, and watch the number of applications drop. Forget the drug testing.

But will we do that to people who collect unemployment too?
There are many people who have been on that for 2 years now.

It's not an issue of "what is right for them to do"; but an issue of "Why just them?"

That's where the judge drew the line : "Why just them?"

[BIGTYMER]

I'm all for drug testing welfare recipients. They should test them after they check their citizenship.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But will we do that to people who collect unemployment too?
There are many people who have been on that for 2 years now.

It's not an issue of "what is right for them to do"; but an issue of "Why just them?"

That's where the judge drew the line : "Why just them?"

Unemployment runs out. Those extensions are over. With unemployment you have to apply to jobs. With welfare you have to sit there and wait for your next check.

I don't care if people do drugs. I do care if they are doing them while on welfare. Get a job and afford the drugs yourself.

Unemployment insurance is just that. Insurance. It is based on what you made and paid in. Welfare is not.

How about we stop drug testing and make welfare only 40 weeks or whatever unemployment is. Will that make you happy?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by epitome

Unemployment runs out. Those extensions are over. With unemployment you have to apply to jobs. With welfare you have to sit there and wait for your next check.

I don't care if people do drugs. I do care if they are doing them while on welfare. Get a job and afford the drugs yourself.

Unemployment insurance is just that. Insurance. It is based on what you made and paid in. Welfare is not.

How about we stop drug testing and make welfare only 40 weeks or whatever unemployment is. Will that make you happy?

But what does applying for a job have to do with whether or not they are using drugs
while getting government money?

And where do you get the idea that people on welfare don't apply for jobs?

There are people on welfare and food stamps that work everyday.
They just work for shit money :


http://www.socialdesign.org/welfare/...h/abrief1.html



We've heard this stuff from politicians who lie like hell to get elected, so we have
to look at the facts to find the truth.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by epitome

Unemployment runs out. Those extensions are over. With unemployment you have to apply to jobs. With welfare you have to sit there and wait for your next check.

I don't care if people do drugs. I do care if they are doing them while on welfare. Get a job and afford the drugs yourself.

Unemployment insurance is just that. Insurance. It is based on what you made and paid in. Welfare is not.

How about we stop drug testing and make welfare only 40 weeks or whatever unemployment is. Will that make you happy?

WRONG
YOU do NOT have to Apply for jobs.
I have friends on unemployment, and they have NOT applied for a job in two years.
They go online, click a button that say YES or NO, I looked for a job. If they click YES, Money gets loaded onto a card.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

WRONG
YOU do NOT have to Apply for jobs.
I have friends on unemployment, and they have NOT applied for a job in two years.
They go online, click a button that say YES or NO, I looked for a job. If they click YES, Money gets loaded onto a card.

Well that is lame and has to change. Its been about a decade since I've been on it and in MD they actually audited enough people so you didn't try to get away with that shit. I got audited once. They call the places you say you applied to if it was your turn for an audit.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by epitome

Well that is lame and has to change. Its been about a decade since I've been on it and in MD they actually audited enough people so you didn't try to get away with that shit. I got audited once. They call the places you say you applied to if it was your turn for an audit.

Yep, I have been saying this for a long time. I remember when my brother had to take a paper around to places, and they had to sign it. like 1985 or something, every week he had to have like 5 or 7 places to qualify for that weeks benifits.
As you know a gov worker would only police a few cases, get paid a Huge amount and also be eligible for lifetime benifits after a short time of working, so that is why they say it cost more to police it.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But what does applying for a job have to do with whether or not they are using drugs
while getting government money?

And where do you get the idea that people on welfare don't apply for jobs?

There are people on welfare and food stamps that work everyday.
They just work for shit money :


http://www.socialdesign.org/welfare/...h/abrief1.html



We've heard this stuff from politicians who lie like hell to get elected, so we have
to look at the facts to find the truth.

Sorry but you can't convinced somebody that lived in Baltimore City otherwise.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yep, I have been saying this for a long time. I remember when my brother had to take a paper around to places, and they had to sign it. like 1985 or something, every week he had to have like 5 or 7 places to qualify for that weeks benifits.
As you know a gov worker would only police a few cases, get paid a Huge amount and also be eligible for lifetime benifits after a short time of working, so that is why they say it cost more to police it.

Its been awhile but I think I only had to do two a week. And similar to the internet you only had to call in to voice prompts. I also remember I had to go to some stupid job hunting seminar or some shit that was a waste. They had "job centers" around the state where you would go to do it. 50 people in there looking at a list of 20 jobs. I just ended up going to a temp agency that got me a job that hired me once they could without paying the huge headhunter fee. I got so restless not working.

[devilspost]

Rick Scott owns the company that gets paid to do the test, it is really a welfare program for him and his wife. Here is how it works, if you apply for the program you have to come up with the $30 to pay Rick's drug test company, if you are clean the state reimburses you. Also it is unconstitutional, against the 4th amendment.

[Fletch XXX]

just another way for them to make money has nothing to do with drugs or welfare

[pornguy]

If they get Money for nothing and that money comes from the People then yes they should be tested for Drugs, and Alcohol and Tobacco.


why in the hell should the people pay for those vices.

[TheDoc]

Take a few minutes and learn a little bit about Welfare....

Great read - The Other America: Poverty in the United States - It shows how the welfare programs dropped the poverty level 12%.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...lchangehomele/

Speaking of welfare programs, ever wondered what they are? Food stamps, Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Public housing, WIC, School lunch program, Medicaid, Workers compensation and... Unemployment.

The unemployed had a job, thus paid for the services they use, and hopefully will again in the future. Many are employed and use it for assistance, and yes a big block get direct payment help.... you can check the url below to see the breakdown, a little less than half is used for kids.

Welfare is 13% of the budget, with unemployment added in... so the real "welfare" % paid out is pretty damn low.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...et_2012_4.html


And for some reading... http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Inequality&Health.htm

The stats in are rather shocking, it's a hell of a study.

"Two recent studies, published in April in the BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL, examine all 50 states within the U.S. Each study defines a measure of income inequality and compares it to various rates of disease and other social problems. It is the gap between rich and poor, and not the average income in each state, that best predicts the death rate in each state. States with greater inequality in the distribution of income also had higher rates of unemployment, higher rates of incarceration, a higher percentage of people receiving income assistance and food stamps, and a greater percentage of people without medical insurance.

"Interestingly, states with greater inequality of income distribution also spent less per person on education, had fewer books per person in the schools, and had poorer educational performance, including worse reading skills, worse math skills, and lower rates of completion of high school."

[rip raster]

it's too bad that drug testing can't differentiate between prescription drugs and non prescription drugs, and I am sure that you will find a large percentage of welfare recipients that are on some kind of prescription narcotic for legitimate reasons.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by epitome

Welfare is supposed to help you cover your basic needs. If you have enough money to buy drugs you don't need welfare.

(I also support drug testing of the bailed out bankers)

I have a thought out plan on how inmates should live and work in a self-contained environment.

It would save money, train workers for once they get out, keep them busy and tired so they aren't getting into fights, being active would help them stay healthy which could cut medical bills, and it's a fair deterrent for lazy fucks. It could actually be peaceful and quite rehabilitating.

But hey, cable TV and cheeseburgers at the jailhouse canteen are a much better idea!

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by pornguy

If they get Money for nothing and that money comes from the People then yes they should be tested for Drugs, and Alcohol and Tobacco.


why in the hell should the people pay for those vices.

We should also force them to give up red meat...it's bad for you...oh and for sure refined sugar, enriched flour and preservatives...

then we can educate those lazy welfare bums on how to eat healthy...nothing but good ol' fruits and vegetables, whole grains and maybe some chicken once in awhile...

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by epitome

Sorry but you can't convinced somebody that lived in Baltimore City otherwise.

Some people accept real facts and move on in life and others reject real facts and just
make them up to fit their emotions.

[Phoenix]

change it to workfare...if done right, some people could get on the job training as well for a real trade or something to help them move on in life.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Sly

I have a thought out plan on how inmates should live and work in a self-contained environment.


keep them busy and tired so they aren't getting into fights, being active would help them stay healthy which could cut medical bills, and it's a fair deterrent for lazy fucks. It could actually be peaceful and quite rehabilitating.

ironically sounds like the daily routine of your average worker bee.

[2MuchMark]

Rick Scott is probably a coke head.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Phase out all government sponsored social programs. The fraud and waste is killing our economy.

[Rochard]

Somewhere along the lines we have started to abuse the US Constitution.

We are talking about the Four Amendment here:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This means the government cannot come into your house without a proper reason to search you, your body; Even your car. However, this does not mean the government cannot search you without having a reason. For example, the government searches all people - and baggage - getting on an airplane even though they have no reason to suspect you of anything.

In this case, no one is searching anything. They are taking a drug test to see if they have been taking illegal drugs. It's not like the government is busting down the door looking for drugs or searching their car.

Just like it's reasonable to search someone to get on a plane, it's reasonable to demand that the US Government not be funding drug users on the tax payer's dime.

[BFT3K]

The Republitards are the kings of class warfare and hypocrisy...

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1042423

Let's drug test all politicians, elected officials, and every CEO from every company that has ever received a government bailout.

Let's start with the governor of every state, followed by every CEO on Wall Street, then we can worry about the poor welfare recipients.

The GOP is for smaller government my ass - they want to be in ever private aspect of your life, from birth control to religion, to every fucking thing!

[CIVMatt]

Funny how some people who were screaming civil rights over the new Michigan drug checkpoints are so in favor of this.

[Barry-xlovecam]

[F]lorida's monthly benefit of $303 ranked 43rd in the nation. That is still the maximum benefit today for a family of three, according to Don Winstead, deputy secretary of the Florida Department of Children and Families, which determines eligibility for welfare payments, also known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. ...

Florida's welfare rate is lowest In nation (Lower rates, tougher rules cited)
Sun Herald ^ | 09/19/07 | KAREN BRANCH-BRIOSO
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898909/posts

Who the fuck would want to live on that if they had any choice?

[thickcash_amo]

We want the government to be involved, we don't want them to be involved....I don't think this plan is what we need, but maybe a reform of the social programs that are bleeding our country dry.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Some people accept real facts and move on in life and others reject real facts and just
make them up to fit their emotions.

You meant to say some people have real life experiences and don't wait for others to feed them info. Become a section 8 landlord or property manager for a year and then get back to me.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by **********

Rick Scott is probably a coke head.

Probably. I can't stand Skeletor and can't wait for my chance to try and vote him out pf office. He is a fraud.

I still support welfare drug testing though.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by devilspost

Rick Scott owns the company that gets paid to do the test, it is really a welfare program for him and his wife. Here is how it works, if you apply for the program you have to come up with the $30 to pay Rick's drug test company, if you are clean the state reimburses you. Also it is unconstitutional, against the 4th amendment.

Thought it was a friend? Scott is a fraud who presided over the company that received the largest Medicare fine ever. I can't wait until he is gone.

I still support welfare drug testing and it is not a fourth amendment violation. Installing cameras in the homes of welfare recipients would be. Having a qualifier for aid is not a violation. Don't want to be tested? Don't apply for welfare.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Funny how some people who were screaming civil rights over the new Michigan drug checkpoints are so in favor of this.

I didn't hear about those checkpoints but it sounds like two completely different things. Did the government hand you free money at the checkpoint?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by epitome

Probably. I can't stand Skeletor and can't wait for my chance to try and vote him out pf office. He is a fraud.

I still support welfare drug testing though.

How about CORPORATE welfare recipients, like the bankers and wall street CEOs? How about the oil and pharmaceutical company CEOs? How about we drug test all elected officials? What about alcohol and prescription drug abuse testing for all too? Where does it end?

You want to go after the poor and powerless, then let's go after the rich and powerful too!? They're the ones who get the most money from the government!

Might as well keep the government small and out of EVERYBODY'S life, no?

[epitome]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How about CORPORATE welfare recipients, like the bankers and wall street CEOs? How about the oil and pharmaceutical company CEOs? How about we drug test all elected officials? What about alcohol and prescription drug abuse testing for all too? Where does it end?

You want to go after the poor and powerless, then let's go after the rich and powerful too!? They're the ones who get the most money from the government!

Might as well keep the government small and out of EVERYBODY'S life, no?

I said I support testing them too in an earlier post. If you need other peoples money for nothing, prove you are worthy. As soon as you're self reliant again I don't care if you celebrate with a kilo of coke.

[devilspost]

Originally Posted by epitome

Don't want to be tested? Don't apply for welfare.

That is the point of this idiotic law to make it difficult to receive help. It is racist at its core and a humiliation tactic.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...da-much-money/

Preliminary results from the state?s first round of testing, however, has seemingly proven both of those claims false. Only 2 percent of welfare recipients failed drug tests, meaning the state must reimburse the cost of the $30 drug tests to the 96 percent of recipients who passed drug tests (two percent did not take the tests). After reimbursements, the state?s savings will be almost negligible, the Tampa Tribune reports:

Cost of the tests averages about $30. Assuming that 1,000 to 1,500 applicants take the test every month, the state will owe about $28,800-$43,200 monthly in reimbursements to those who test drug-free.

That compares with roughly $32,200-$48,200 the state may save on one month?s worth of rejected applicants.

Net savings to the state: $3,400 to $5,000 annually on one month?s worth of rejected applicants. Over 12 months, the money saved on all rejected applicants would add up to $40,800 to $60,000 for a program that state analysts have predicted will cost $178 million this fiscal year.

[shimmy2]

massa scott sez no mo drug testz?? i submitting my online application brb...

party @ my place next weekend i'm buying up all the chicken at sav-alot and aldi!

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by shimmy2

massa scott sez no mo drug testz?? i submitting my online application brb...

party @ my place next weekend i'm buying up all the chicken at sav-alot and aldi!

LOL, I do buy my Bonless Chicken Breasts at Aldi's. Aldi's is great for some items!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Some people accept real facts and move on in life and others reject real facts and just
make them up to fit their emotions.

And some people make up shit because their feelings were hurt they got kicked off a network for trying to run a tube site on shared hosting.

[BFT3K]

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by epitome

Hey, I support welfare drug testing!

Not the stupid piss test anybody can pass though. Let's get some bulk discounts on hair testing! ... and also randomly test people 48 hours after they get their money.

Sure, because if they do drugs they shouldn't be alowed to have like food and stuff............................................. ............................................

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But they ain't working when they get them!
Just like people on welfare.

And besides that, you are assuming that people on welfare didn't work and pay
taxes before their life hit the skids and they needed welfare.

As far as those people are concerned, they paid into the system while they were working
just like everybody else. But now that they are on the skids they are accused
of never working or even paying a dime in taxes. That would be a lie.

100% agree with this.

I'm quite certain that some of those people on the dole in the US were doing really well 3 years ago and they too wanted to stop all welfare, social security, medicare etc.......
That was before they hit rock bottom. Now they need it to survive. I'm sure they sing a different tune now.

If it weren't for a few government programs in place my family would have been 100% fucked when my dad died in 1969.
His medical bills cleaned him and my mom out and he went bankrupt, then he died. Leaving a wife and two kids behind.
Now............... he was far from a dead beat, he was the first guy to bring VWs into the United States way back when. He was very well off and paid into the government coffers his entire life and luckily when he wasn't there the programs he'd paid into were.

Just sayin'

[DAMNMAN]

So the government has to pay for the drug tests and waste our money on that to. On top of pay the guy who can't find a job. That's classic!!!!

[Coup]

Drug test the planet.