Great Documentary! "Burzynski". Dr. finds a cure for Cancer, FDA tries to put him in jail and steal

[vsex]

...his patents! This is the kind of government we have, totally out of control. The FDA and big PhRMA don't want to give up the trillions of $$ made on chemo pills etc.





or on Netflix streaming.

Watch it and send it to everyone you know. This shit has to stop.

[porno jew]

fraud and a crank. anyone who preys upon sick and suffering cancer patients is the lowest form of human scum and should be imprisoned and executed.

you should be ashamed or peddling this garbage.

links pulled for real.

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

fraud and a crank. anyone who preys upon sick and suffering cancer patients is the lowest form of human scum and should be imprisoned and executed.

you should be ashamed or peddling this garbage.

links pulled for real.

Watch the movie and then tell me it's wrong. All the proof is laid out in front of you.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by porno jew

fraud and a crank. anyone who preys upon sick and suffering cancer patients is the lowest form of human scum and should be imprisoned and executed.

you should be ashamed or peddling this garbage.

links pulled for real.

I didn't watch this (yet) but why are you stating that is a fraud and a crank?

Has this story already been disproved?

Serious question, I don't know one way or the other, just wondering why you have instantly poo-pooed it.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by vsex

Watch the movie and then tell me it's wrong. All the proof is laid out in front of you.

i've seen it, researched him, he's a fraud preying upon sick people for monetary gain. fuck you.

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i've seen it, researched him, he's a fraud preying upon sick people for monetary gain. fuck you.

well, show the proof. Just ranting doesn't prove anything.

[porno jew]

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/burzynski.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanisl...laston_therapy

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p.../patient/page1

http://www.burzynskiscam.com/

and on and on ... they guy as a piece of shit and anyone whom promotes cancer scams is a low life as well, sorry.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by vsex

well, show the proof. Just ranting doesn't prove anything.

http://google.com you are a big boy.

[potter]

awesome thread backfire!

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/burzynski.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanisl...laston_therapy

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p.../patient/page1

http://www.burzynskiscam.com/

and on and on ... they guy as a piece of shit and anyone whom promotes cancer scams is a low life as well, sorry.

None of that is proof, not even close. Sorry, I'll take the proof in the movie until shown otherwise. I'm not promoting cancer scams, i'm offering up a movie that shows actual proof and letting people decide for themselves.

[vsex]

Originally Posted by potter

awesome thread backfire!

just because porno jew doesn't accept proof does not make this a thread backfire. Some people just don't want to believe our gov't is so corrupt. Watch the movie and decide for yourself. It's not that hard to do.

[Slutboat]

could be bogus because of the placebo effect - but I saw his documentary and it looks very convincing

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

poo

i like that...

[wehateporn]

Here's a previous discussion on this from June

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1026...+document ary

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

could be bogus because of the placebo effect - but I saw his documentary and it looks very convincing

i hope you understand the difference between a documentary film and successful clinical trials, peer review and the scientific method.

if you don't well there is not much hope for you.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

could be bogus because of the placebo effect - but I saw his documentary and it looks very convincing

Intersting points on the Placebo Effect

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i hope you understand the difference between a documentary film and clinical trials, peer review and the scientific method.

if you don't well there is not much hope for you.

I hope you understand greed, disinformation and FDA/Big PhRMA Profits in the $billions that they don't want to let go of. If you don't, you are just burying your head in the sand. If this is fraud why has he never been convicted and why did the Gov't try to steal his patents? Really dude, I'm down for a debate (even tho' I didn't make the movie, just passing it on to people) but at least bring something to the table except judgement.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by vsex

I hope you understand greed, disinformation and FDA/Big PhRMA Profits in the $billions that they don't want to let go of. If you don't, you are just burying your head in the sand. If this is fraud why has he never been convicted and why did the Gov't try to steal his patents? Really dude, I'm down for a debate (even tho' I didn't make the movie, just passing it on to people) but at least bring something to the table except judgement.

ok so why can't any independent researcher can replicate his results? you understand how science works right?

[porno jew]

how come none of his research is published in peer reviewed journals? oh it just must be because of "the conspiracy." not because he is a fraud preying off sick and desperate people and families. of course not.

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

ok so why can't any independent researcher can replicate his results? you understand how science works right?

Yes, and the film addresses that. You said you watched it. No one followed his protocols and were administering much lower doses than he told them too. (And they show letters between him and the National Cancer Institute to PROVE it.) Protocols are used in science to be able to test results, if you don't use the same protocols, you end up with different results. Pretty common sense to me.

[BFT3K]

I NEVER trust entities (corps, politician, etc) who profit from one side, and then fight adamantly against all opposition, so I think I will watch this video soon. Can't hurt...

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by vsex

Yes, and the film addresses that. You said you watched it. No one followed his protocols and were administering much lower doses than he told them too. (And they show letters between him and the National Cancer Institute to PROVE it.) Protocols are used in science to be able to test results, if you don't use the same protocols, you end up with different results. Pretty common sense to me.

well surely more independent trials can be done to confirm his research? why are they not being done?

[porno jew]

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...urzynski1.html

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

how come none of his research is published in peer reviewed journals? oh it just must be because of "the conspiracy." not because he is a fraud preying off sick and desperate people and families. of course not.

I do not know. How come Dr. Dvorit Samid the person that tried to steal his patents in conjunction with the U.S. Gov't and Elan Pharmaceuticals was published using Burzynski's research on one of his antineoplastons in peer reviewed journals?

So you think there can be no place for a FDA/Big PhRMA conspiracy to keep the $$trilliions pouring in from chemo/radiation? Considering the FDA is paid over $500Million dollars a year in "Submmition Fees" by Big PhRMA?

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...urzynski1.html

Still not proof, it's a posting a web site. C'mon dude.

[porno jew]

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...urzynski2.html

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

well surely more independent trials can be done to confirm his research? why are they not being done?

Who should do them? The National Cancer Institute admittedly fucked up their clinical trials on his research. There are letters proving that.


I need to run out for a little while. I'll check in on this when I get back.

[porno jew]

if you don't know how peer review works, and what randomized and independent trials are, there is nothing to discuss here. enjoy your idiocy.

[femdomdestiny]

this guy found solution for cancer but was sabotaged:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife

[porno jew]

one more thing. his patients have been studied and the treatment was shown to have no effect on their cancer and most ended up dying.

In 1982, consultants to the Ontario (Canada) Ministry of Health visited Burzynski's clinic and reviewed records of twelve patients selected by Burzynski from among the thousands he had treated. According to the OTA report, the Canadian doctors "found no examples of objective response to Antineoplastons." In 1985, the Canadian Bureau of Prescription Drugs examined the records of Canadian doctors who had treated patients at Dr. Burzynski's clinic in Houston. Of 36 patients, 32 had died without showing signs of improvement. Of the remaining 4, one patient died after slight improvement, while one patient died after stabilizing for a year. The 2 remaining patients had widespread cancer.

more examples here http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Trea...laston-therapy

[Lucy - CSC]

There are actually quite a few people who have found very cheap ways of curing cancer. All of which have suddenly disappeared not murdered just their research stopped and removed from circulation. Cancer is one of the most expensive diseases to cure and is a 3 stage industry (Equipment, medicine then application). Most methods found to be effective have been very cheap.

DCA is a very cheap drug which seems to make tumours shrink. Main problem is that Pharma companies cant make any money from it.

[Lucy - CSC]

The drug is called DCA. Medical journals are also picking up on it.

Main problem is that it is 'cheap'.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...t-cancers.html

[Dcat]

Yes, the FDA has become the enforcement arm of BIG PHARMA.

Not only that, all those Breast, Prostate, (insert cause here) .. "Run for the Cure" fund-raisers use most of the money collected to lobby the FDA to crush any emerging cures. These charities don't want the gravy train to stop. The more sick people there are, the $$$-better-$$$ it gets. ..Something to think about before mindlessly giving to these so called "charities."


..of all the Millions, and Millions of donations collected over the years, has there ever been a cure for anything found??

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

one more thing. his patients have been studied and the treatment was shown to have no effect on their cancer and most ended up dying.

In 1982, consultants to the Ontario (Canada) Ministry of Health visited Burzynski's clinic and reviewed records of twelve patients selected by Burzynski from among the thousands he had treated. According to the OTA report, the Canadian doctors "found no examples of objective response to Antineoplastons." In 1985, the Canadian Bureau of Prescription Drugs examined the records of Canadian doctors who had treated patients at Dr. Burzynski's clinic in Houston. Of 36 patients, 32 had died without showing signs of improvement. Of the remaining 4, one patient died after slight improvement, while one patient died after stabilizing for a year. The 2 remaining patients had widespread cancer.

more examples here http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Trea...laston-therapy

So all of these Cancer survivors that are testifying in front of congress on his behalf are lying?

[vsex]

Originally Posted by Dcat

Yes, the FDA has become the enforcement arm of BIG PHARMA.

Not only that, all those Breast, Prostate, (insert cause here) .. "Run for the Cure" fund-raisers use most of the money collected to lobby the FDA to crush any emerging cures. These charities don't want the gravy train to stop. The more sick people there are, the $$$-better-$$$ it gets. ..Something to think about before mindlessly giving to these so called "charities."


..of all the Millions, and Millions of donations collected over the years, has there ever been a cure for anything found??

QFT!

[porno jew]

the drug is moving into phase three trials. there is no grand conspiracy. although if you educated yourself on how clinical trials worked instead of surfing crank websites written by cro-magnon half-wits you might have understood that.

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

The drug is called DCA. Medical journals are also picking up on it.

Main problem is that it is 'cheap'.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...t-cancers.html

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by vsex

So all of these Cancer survivors that are testifying in front of congress on his behalf are lying?

you are extremely ignorant about the whole issue. am not going to write a primer on the scientific method and the such. you can use google.

[vsex]

Originally Posted by porno jew

you are extremely ignorant about the whole issue. am not going to write a primer on the scientific method and the such. you can use google.

Thanks for your input, you've really gained ground here on your views.

[wehateporn]

I guess this one comes down to how people view the Pharms; are they not for profit vocational companies, are they pure capitalists without morals or are they somewhere in the middle of the two?

Then what about doctors, have doctors now got capitalist incentives too or are they purely interested in a patient's recovery? Also if the Pharms are pure capitalists, are the good doctors just reading the information on drugs/vaccines that the Pharms have sent over or are they allowed to make their own decisions based on whether they trust the Pharms?

Those are the root beliefs that divide the members of GFY in many Big Pharma/Health debates

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I guess this one comes down to how people view the Pharms; are they not for profit vocational companies, are they pure capitalists without morals or are they somewhere in the middle of the two?

Then what about doctors, have doctors now got capitalist incentives too or are they purely interested in a patient's recovery? Also if the Pharms are pure capitalists, are the good doctors just reading the information on drugs/vaccines that the Pharms have sent over or are they allowed to make their own decisions based on whether they trust the Pharms?

Those are the root beliefs that divide the members of GFY in many Big Pharma/Health debates

Make it so the doctors don't get paid unless their patients are getting better or in good health. Isn't that how it's done in Japan or something?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Jakez

Make it so the doctors don't get paid unless their patients are getting better or in good health. Isn't that how it's done in Japan or something?

I believe you're looking in the right direction Jakez

[Si]

Sounds like an absolute crock of shit to me.

If this is true and it gets shot down by the FDA, because big pharma are too busy making money. The people who have come up with these cures should then pitch them to countries who provide free health care for their citizens.

They would absolutely tear the arm off these guys! Because they are sure to be looking for a cheaper soloution to a growing problem.

Most countries in the world didn't ban Smoking for the fucking fun of it. If they wanted more people with cancer they would let you smoke everywhere.

Another point that proves WeHateTruth and VSex are talking straight outta their fucking arse.

[Lucy - CSC]

Originally Posted by Si

Sounds like an absolute crock of shit to me.

If this is true and it gets shot down by the FDA, because big pharma are too busy making money. The people who have come up with these cures should then pitch them to countries who provide free health care for their citizens.

They would absolutely tear the arm off these guys! Because they are sure to be looking for a cheaper soloution to a growing problem.

Most countries in the world didn't ban Smoking for the fucking fun of it. If they wanted more people with cancer they would let you smoke everywhere.

Another point that proves WeHateTruth and VSex are talking straight outta their fucking arse.

The countries that have free health care buy from these companies and most MPs etc are paid off by them. Smoking was actually banned due to a rise in secondary smoke health claims against bars and pubs by staff and the companies having to pay out serious money to people who worked there and had later become ill.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Si

Sounds like an absolute crock of shit to me.

If this is true and it gets shot down by the FDA, because big pharma are too busy making money. The people who have come up with these cures should then pitch them to countries who provide free health care for their citizens.

They would absolutely tear the arm off these guys! Because they are sure to be looking for a cheaper soloution to a growing problem.

Most countries in the world didn't ban Smoking for the fucking fun of it. If they wanted more people with cancer they would let you smoke everywhere.

Another point that proves WeHateTruth and VSex are talking straight outta their fucking arse.

They lost on the science with smoking, they managed to suppress the truth for years (Melon Institute), they used to pay for all kinds of fake science to prove smoking was fine. Now they just put Cancer straight in the vaccines, look at recent vaccine inserts "this product has not been tested for carcinogenicity or fertility impairment" (as if you wouldn't test for something so important, it's just so as people don't sue)

Here's Dr Maurice Hilleman speaking about Cancer-causing SV40 being dished out in vaccines. Dr Maurice Hilleman is credited with saving more lives than any other scientist of the 20th century. Robert Gallo described him as "the most successful vaccinologist in history".

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

The countries that have free health care buy from these companies and most MPs etc are paid off by them. Smoking was actually banned due to a rise in secondary smoke health claims against bars and pubs by staff and the companies having to pay out serious money to people who worked there and had later become ill.

Good points Lucy

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by vsex

Thanks for your input, you've really gained ground here on your views.

answer my questions idiot?

why do they find no significant cancer reduction when they studied his patients? multiple times.

(since you can't figure it out for yourself, with any treatment, even if they ate shit as a treatment, some are going to improve, some will stay the same, some will get worse, thus explains the patients at congress. it doesn't mean anything statistically nor prove the efficacy of his "treatment.")

why no acceptance in peer reviewed journals?

why no independent tests can replicate his findings? if the tests were done incorrectly surely they could just do them again with a higher dosage? why is that not being done? three different groups all tried to replicate his findings and couldn't. were they all incompetent or part of the conspiracy?

(also i am unable to find any copy of these supposed letters outside of the documentary. if you can find them, please share).

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Si

Sounds like an absolute crock of shit to me.

If this is true and it gets shot down by the FDA, because big pharma are too busy making money. The people who have come up with these cures should then pitch them to countries who provide free health care for their citizens.

They would absolutely tear the arm off these guys! Because they are sure to be looking for a cheaper soloution to a growing problem.

Most countries in the world didn't ban Smoking for the fucking fun of it. If they wanted more people with cancer they would let you smoke everywhere.

Another point that proves WeHateTruth and VSex are talking straight outta their fucking arse.

exactly. so why are these miracle cures not embraced by places like cuba where the pharma lobby has no control?

could be a little issue to do with lack of replicable proof and proof of efficacy.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by porno jew

how come none of his research is published in peer reviewed journals? oh it just must be because of "the conspiracy." not because he is a fraud preying off sick and desperate people and families. of course not.

You should check out the history of what happened with peptic ulcers. I think there was even a documentary on it or maybe it was just something 20/20 or some news show like that years ago...

Couple guys came up with data etc that is was typically caused by bacterium as opposed to eating spice foods, stress etc (early 80s I think it was). Which of course flew in the face of the accepted norm and the medical/scientific community ridiculed them for it. And of course the pharmaceutical companies didn't exactly like that idea either since they made tons of cash with their antacids etc... But it was eventually proven that they were right years later... Government launched a campaign to inform doctors etc (late 90s think).. What happened after that??? Acid reflux was "invented" so the companies could rebrand their products and keep selling them. Oh.. And the guys won the Nobel Prize in Physiology in 2005 for that work.

Point being... You can't trust the medical/scientific community a lot of the time as they take the current science as absolute fact when in reality, we know so little that everything should be looked at as potentially being invalid.

[porno jew]

sure. i understand about the power of corporations and the corruption of government as well as the structure of scientific revolutions but that has nothing to do with a treatment simply unable to pass peer review or its experimental results confirmed independently.

Originally Posted by Tempest

You should check out the history of what happened with peptic ulcers. I think there was even a documentary on it or maybe it was just something 20/20 or some news show like that years ago...

Couple guys came up with data etc that is was typically caused by bacterium as opposed to eating spice foods, stress etc (early 80s I think it was). Which of course flew in the face of the accepted norm and the medical/scientific community ridiculed them for it. And of course the pharmaceutical companies didn't exactly like that idea either since they made tons of cash with their antacids etc... But it was eventually proven that they were right years later... Government launched a campaign to inform doctors etc (late 90s think).. What happened after that??? Acid reflux was "invented" so the companies could rebrand their products and keep selling them. Oh.. And the guys won the Nobel Prize in Physiology in 2005 for that work.

Point being... You can't trust the medical/scientific community a lot of the time as they take the current science as absolute fact when in reality, we know so little that everything should be looked at as potentially being invalid.

[porno jew]

it is shameful that anti-vac kooks are taking an obvious joke out of context - from a man whose vaccines have saves countless lives - and using it to push their ignorant and harmful agenda.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Here's Dr Maurice Hilleman speaking about Cancer-causing SV40 being dished out in vaccines. Dr Maurice Hilleman is credited with saving more lives than any other scientist of the 20th century. Robert Gallo described him as "the most successful vaccinologist in history".