12clicks - What part of the country / world are you currently roofing?

[stocktrader23]

Serious question, saw will76 yapping about it in another thread.

In before the haters.

[will76]

Serious question, saw will76 yapping about it in another thread.

In before the haters.

He roofs in the NorthEast US, why you looking for a job?

I just had him do one of my rental properties up there. Got to say I wasn't too impressed with the work though....




The funny thing is when I paid the invoice I didn't notice the fine print that my card was going to be charged for a new gutter too. Damn cross sales!

[stocktrader23]

He roofs in the NorthEast US, why you looking for a job?

I just had him do one of my rental properties up there. Got to say I wasn't too impressed with the work though....

Hate to tell you since you like to spar with him about business but if he's working New York he's probably a rich motherfucker. Just for the record and all.

[devilspost]

[B.Barnato]

Manual labor is nothing to be ashamed of.

[stocktrader23]

Manual labor is nothing to be ashamed of.

You really think his pasty ass is up on the roof doing the work?

[LeRoy]

Good money in roofing

[B.Barnato]

You really think his pasty ass is up on the roof doing the work?

No, roofing season is probably coming to a close.

[stocktrader23]

No, roofing season is probably coming to a close.

Still plenty of work going on, even in the NE.

[will76]

Hate to tell you since you like to spar with him about business but if he's working New York he's probably a rich motherfucker. Just for the record and all.

Northeast doesn't mean NY. He is in NJ. I also hear that Mojo owns the roofing company and Ronnie is just the foreman. Kind of like how it is with their adult stuff...


Waiting for Ronnie to get off of work so he can come chime in with his 1970's humor.

[stocktrader23]

Northeast doesn't mean NY. He is in NJ. I also hear that Mojo owns the roofing company and Ronnie is just the foreman. Kind of like how it is with their adult stuff...


Waiting for Ronnie to get off of work so he can come chime in with his 1970's humor.

Whatever, you don't have to own the company to make a ton of money. Anyhow, wondering where he's working at the moment, nothing more.

[will76]

Whatever, you don't have to own the company to make a ton of money. Anyhow, wondering where he's working at the moment, nothing more.

I'm sure he will chime in when he gets home and finishes his shift. Shouldn't be too much longer it's almost quitting time on the East Coast.

[devilspost]

I'm sure he will chime in when he gets home and finishes his shift. Shouldn't be too much longer it's almost quitting time on the East Coast.

[glamourmodels]

Luckily for you, our paths will never cross. You cant afford to be anywhere I am.
You're one of this world's mindless, faceless lemmings.
A nothing. A failure.
Of course you hate me as I am your opposite.
I'd laugh in your face and tell you this in person but I simply dont don't mingle with the bottom of society.

Posted via phone atop a roof somewhere in Jersey

[Kenny B!]

And I thought he was offering me roofies... son.

[Just Alex]

Oh shit, here we go again.

[will76]

must be a long day at the job site. still no Ronnie...

[Bill8]

Roofing sucks as a business, but it has a decent profit margin, compared to other sub-specialties.

It's not enjoyable, the risks are comparitively high, roofing labor is an endless pain in the ass, but the demand is high, and because it's not enjoyable it's a bit easier to carve out a market share.

The nice thing about roofing is it's more recession proof. People don't NEED to replace their carpets - but when the roof starts leaking, they need to fix it.

Frame carpenters, finish carpenters, installation plumbers and electricians aren't needed so much in this economy - but roofing is constantly degrading no matter what.

Lousy work tho.

[bean-aid]

installation plumbers and electricians aren't needed so much in this economy - but roofing is constantly degrading no matter what.

Lousy work tho.

Respectively disagree. If you have no electricity, you need an electrician. If your toilet or sink jams, bursts, etc. you need a plumber. Blue collar plumbing and electricians are probably one of the safest jobs today.

Good thing Ronnie can keep paying his mommy rent now

[stocktrader23]

Roofing sucks as a business, but it has a decent profit margin, compared to other sub-specialties.

It's not enjoyable, the risks are comparitively high, roofing labor is an endless pain in the ass, but the demand is high, and because it's not enjoyable it's a bit easier to carve out a market share.

The nice thing about roofing is it's more recession proof. People don't NEED to replace their carpets - but when the roof starts leaking, they need to fix it.

Frame carpenters, finish carpenters, installation plumbers and electricians aren't needed so much in this economy - but roofing is constantly degrading no matter what.

Lousy work tho.

Respectively disagree. If you have no electricity, you need an electrician. If your toilet or sink jams, bursts, etc. you need a plumber. Blue collar plumbing and electricians are probably one of the safest jobs today.

Good thing Ronnie can keep paying his mommy rent now

All of the big companies and a lot of small ones are chasing storms. They pay better, there's virtually unlimited work in years like this and you can go from NY to TX when the winter sets in. Also, the people that aren't running a mom and pop don't do anything but organize, some of them have 100+ salesmen in multiple states with a manager and office for every location. I'm just wondering if he's working locally or storm chasing but since we have been sparring since 2003 he probably thinks I'm just fucking with him.

[Bill8]

Respectively disagree. If you have no electricity, you need an electrician. If your toilet or sink jams, bursts, etc. you need a plumber. Blue collar plumbing and electricians are probably one of the safest jobs today.

Good thing Ronnie can keep paying his mommy rent now

Installation plumbers and electricians do installations in newly built homes.

It's a specific subspecialty in the trade - with different protocols and work routines than the electricians and plumbers that work in occupied houses.

I specified installation.

[alias]

[will76]

Ronnie must have gotten home late and went right to bed. Poor guys, I know they get up at the crack of dawn. Bending over all day can't be good on the knees either. Hope he stays safe.

[BIGTYMER]

I just had my roof done two days ago. Cost 5k. Asphalt.

[B.Barnato]

You should show a little more respect for your betters.

[bean-aid]

You should show a little more respect for your betters.

Living in mommy's basement

[will76]

You should show a little more respect for your betters.

[will76]

Living in mommy's basement

Actually, Ronnie just sent me this picture. He had a long day at work and "unwinding" in mommy's basement, kicking a few beers back. Unfortunately, all he can afford is THE BEAST!!

[Paul Markham]

I think it's good 12clicks has another trade to fall back on. He's not got long left in porn and probably not made enough to retire. Might even just be his pert time work after a day on the roofs.

[stocktrader23]

So many haters.

[will76]

So many haters.

so little time.....

[crockett]

I used to have a neighbor years ago that was in the roofing business. The guy would work all day on roofs with his crews then come home and sit on top of his own roof and drink beer for several hours.

Was funny shit.

Now I understand why 12clicks is so fucked in the head.. He's fallen off the roof a few too many times.

[Bill8]

Well, there's no good provenance on the roofing claim, as far as I can tell.

But, running roofing companies is serious enough business, as would be owning shares in such a company.

What program is 12clicks associated with? I was never curious enough before to ask.

[DarkJedi]

no shame in being poor, but the way Ron puts down other people, he deserves the beating

[CaptainHowdy]

[Shotsie]

Installation plumbers and electricians do installations in newly built homes.

It's a specific subspecialty in the trade - with different protocols and work routines than the electricians and plumbers that work in occupied houses.

I specified installation.

There's four different types of electricians:


Lineman: the guys that work for the power companies. PECO, Con-Edison, PSEG, etc.

inside wireman: the guys who install the power, lighting, controls and other electrical equipment in commercial and industrial buildings.

Telecommunications: the guys that do data and phone, Verizon guys, etc. otherwise known as phone fags.

Residential wireman: specialize in installing all of the electrical systems in single-family and multi-family houses or dwellings.


But there's no subspecialty for doing service work, either one of the wiremen do that. If you can do commercial and industrial work you can handle anything residential. An apprenticeship for residential is only three years, everything is cake in a residential dwelling, it's all single phase 120/240 romex.

[Bill8]

There's four different types of electricians:


Lineman: the guys that work for the power companies. PECO, Con-Edison, PSEG, etc.

inside wireman: the guys who install the power, lighting, controls and other electrical equipment in commercial and industrial buildings.

Telecommunications: the guys that do data and phone, Verizon guys, etc. otherwise known as phone fags.

Residential wireman: specialize in installing all of the electrical systems in single-family and multi-family houses or dwellings.


But there's no subspecialty for doing service work, either one of the wiremen do that. If you can do commercial and industrial work you can handle anything residential. An apprenticeship for residential is only three years, everything is cake in a residential dwelling, it's all single phase 120/240 romex.

I'm not talking about what electricians call themselves, I'm talking about what they were called in my area when subcontracted out as part of residential contruction projects. There are probably regional differences in what such specialized teams are called, here they were called installers.

I hired them, I worked alongside them, I signed off on their work as the stages progressed, I paid them, I know that what I am talking about is not what you just described above - most of which is irrelevant to new home construction.

Installation trades for residential contruction come and go in a series of waves as a house is being built. The subbing companies set up specialized teams that move from house to house, and thats pretty much all they do, is installation in new construction. It's a trade subspecialty.

Have you done it? That kind of work? Installations in new residential houses.

And right now those teams are mostly out of work. There is only a fraction of that kind of work going on as there was during the oughts residential home boom.

I don't understand why you are bringing up a bunch of other electrician specialties that have nothing to do with what is being discussed. We started out talking about roofing. Typical roofing is a residential specialty - roofing for commercial buildings is another speciality that typically requires a fairly different set of skills and laborers.

Not that commercial building hasn't crashed as well, but I wasn't talking about that.

[lazycash]

Well, there's no good provenance on the roofing claim, as far as I can tell.

But, running roofing companies is serious enough business, as would be owning shares in such a company.

What program is 12clicks associated with? I was never curious enough before to ask.

Um, 12clickscash.com

[crockett]

Um, 12clickscash.com

His cunning usage of "12" is an obvious attempt to show he is better than the rest of us that can only count to 10 with our 5 fingers on each hand. 12 clicks was of course born with 6 fingers on each hand.

[B.Barnato]

Really hope he gets paid overtime for weekend work.

[fuzebox]

Omg haven't seen stocktrader23 on here forever...

[stocktrader23]

Omg haven't seen stocktrader23 on here forever...

I had to take a job as a roofer.

[Shotsie]

I'm not talking about what electricians call themselves, I'm talking about what they were called in my area when subcontracted out as part of residential contruction projects. There are probably regional differences in what such specialized teams are called, here they were called installers.

I hired them, I worked alongside them, I signed off on their work as the stages progressed, I paid them, I know that what I am talking about is not what you just described above - most of which is irrelevant to new home construction.

Installation trades for residential contruction come and go in a series of waves as a house is being built. The subbing companies set up specialized teams that move from house to house, and thats pretty much all they do, is installation in new construction. It's a trade subspecialty.

Have you done it? That kind of work? Installations in new residential houses.

And right now those teams are mostly out of work. There is only a fraction of that kind of work going on as there was during the oughts residential home boom.

I don't understand why you are bringing up a bunch of other electrician specialties that have nothing to do with what is being discussed. We started out talking about roofing. Typical roofing is a residential specialty - roofing for commercial buildings is another speciality that typically requires a fairly different set of skills and laborers.

Not that commercial building hasn't crashed as well, but I wasn't talking about that.

Well, the guys you're describing would be residential wireman, otherwise known as romex jockeys. The kind of contractor that you're talking about that does mostly ground up residential work on tract homes for big builders like Toll Brothers or Hovnanian typically does service work as well. I was pointing out the fact that licensed electrical contractors usually do any type of work that they can handle, whether it's service work or ground up work doesn't really matter to them, money is money. Any electrician that can do ground up work can do service work as well, a contractor isn't limited in the types of jobs he can take, and he certainly isn't going to turn down work if he's slow. The same guys that wire those tract homes are the same guys that might come to your house to troubleshoot some lights that aren't working or install a ceiling fan, that's all I was pointing out.


To answer your question though, yes, I have wired a couple houses.

[bushwacker]

LMAO! My uncle owns a roofing company, and he could buy and sell some of you ten times over.

[stocktrader23]

well, the guys you're describing would be residential wireman, otherwise known as romex jockeys. The kind of contractor that you're talking about that does mostly ground up residential work on tract homes for big builders like toll brothers or hovnanian typically does service work as well. I was pointing out the fact that licensed electrical contractors usually do any type of work that they can handle, whether it's service work or ground up work doesn't really matter to them, money is money. Any electrician that can do ground up work can do service work as well, a contractor isn't limited in the types of jobs he can take, and he certainly isn't going to turn down work if he's slow. The same guys that wire those tract homes are the same guys that might come to your house to troubleshoot some lights that aren't working or install a ceiling fan, that's all i was pointing out.


To answer your question though, yes, i have wired a couple houses.

guys, this is getting ridiculous!

[will76]

LMAO! My uncle owns a roofing company, and he could buy and sell some of you ten times over.

My uncle is a janitor and can buy and sell most of you.... your point ?

[bushwacker]

My uncle is a janitor and can buy and sell most of you.... your point ?

Touche!

[Warren]

My uncle is a janitor and can buy and sell most of you.... your point ?

Webmasters are bought and sold every day, probably more then domain names lol.

[will76]

Touche!

[Slappin Fish]

12clicks a roofer....there is no money in billing.