He was probably including embassy troops.

That is misinformation...the 150 number are troops being left to protect our embassy.

China... The hawks that surrounded Bush were looking for a reason, any reason, to get rid of Saddam in Iraq, get more of a foothold in that area of the world and then they could start to shift their battle groups etc towards China.
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Isn't that kinda like putting all the blame on the fire department because they could have done a better job of extinguishing a fire someone else started?


I noticed. But (not surprisingly as well) you're using your usual flawed examples to make your point.

There's plenty of things Obama can and should be criticized for such as wasting his first two years on a flawed health care plan, appointing Wall Street stooges as economic advisers, caving in to the opposition too easily and so on.

But the economy was already deep-sixed before he took office and he inherited Bush's wars.


Not at all. I see him as barely adequate, at best, but certainly far better than McCain or any of the current Republican alternatives.


For Iraq it sure as hell does as well as for squandering Clinton's budget surplus. Conversely he did the right thing by attacking Afghanistan and the blame for the housing bubble goes to him only in part.


Hey. It made for a nice break from my video editing :thumbsup

Actually, I wouldn't put it past the headcase in charge up there to do just that.

No, it's kinda putting the blame on the fire department for trying to put out a fire, but instead creating a bigger fire. The fact that you got the simple analogy completely wrong speaks wonders about your intelligence.


For my examples to be flawed, you'd have to prove they were flawed. Simply stating it doesn't make it so.:winkwink:

So you ignore the fact that he continued the wars with exponentially more money as well as bring the economy to its knees? Or are we conveniently ignoring facts here because it's obama?




Far better, maybe not.. But better than the alternatives.



Monetary and fiscal mismanagement, continuing Bush's stimulus and bring them to a whole new level? No, let's ignore that. Again, thanks for playing.

Fires usually get bigger before they're finally extinguished. More so when the arsonists are still on the scene and tugging on the firemen's arms.


Instead of repeating myself re your examples, I'll just point out that commonsense argues the same.


Staying in Afghanistan made, and continues to make, sense. Like I said, Bush did the right thing going in there.

As for Iraq, you can't just stop a war - any war - on a dime.


You're close enough on that one ;)


Obama never claimed to be a disciple of the Austrian school of economics, McCain either.

Problem is, Obama ain't doing the Keynesian thing right and that's primarily because he's getting bad advice from "Little Timmy" Geithner and the other Wall Street stooges he saw fit to appoint as advisers.

And on that score I do fault him.

Of course, having to contend with all those baggers and blue dogs in congress ain't helping him any either.

Both touching and irrelevant. Unfortunately, my analogy hit close to him while yours was way out there.




Why don't you just say "I'm full of shit". It'll be a lot easier than me telling you to prove it, and you posting this nonsense as a rebuttal.




No arguments there.

Which is why they're both economically deficient. Moreso Bernanke than either of them.

I disagree. The problem is, Bernanke and Obama ARE doing the keynesian thing right and it proves time and time again that Keynesian theories are a load of bullshit and are only marginally effective or rather less ineffective when an economy is running both a budget and trade surpluses.

No different than when Bush was president going against the left. Just a switch of the status quo.

You are correct the time limits on withdrawal was established by President Bush's administration and the Iraq's. President Obama is simply following that policy.

HA HA! Thanks :thumbsup

LOL @ that

The "war" was won in the first 24 days...then the occupation began.

I wasn't talking about embassies, but military bases. When they announced that US troops would be withdrawing from city x and y, they simply redrew the city limits and kept all troops in place.

fixed that for ya :)

For some reason we tend to fear large countries with large military forces. China's military is feared because they are huge. However, they lack a blue water navy - meaning they don't have bases around the world to support naval operations outside of their sphere of influence.

China is also less interested in helping North Korea. NK has become a huge pain in the ass, one that they cannot control, and if I recall correctly China has problems with North Koreans entering China illegally - North Korean illegal immigrants.

Our moves in the Middle East has nothing to do with China. We already have enough bases in the Pacific.

What happens when people realize Iraq was used as training grounds for a home grown military force.

These troops will be used to control the population of the USA and keep everyone in line on the home front.

attention to all republicans: after the last 3 years of "bring the troops home", you now have to be against this - according to your presidential candidats. i am now looking forward to read how you blame Obama for actually doing what you wanted and instead insisting that he leaves the troops in iraq

Seeing as how you give credit to Obama for all the good, and blame Bush for all the bad, I'd call you a hypocrite if you weren't so damn stupid.:1orglaugh

Also, it's a great idea to bring all the troops home so they can be among the unemployed.. Good move.. Instead of sending them to Mexico or something where they could be useful. As usual, stupid democrats.

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Why would they be unemployed?

because they were getting paid for their mission in the middle east. How does that work when they come back abroad and what do they do exactly?

Uhm... they go back to their base and finish their service.

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I was under the impression that their service was complete. And what about those that are done? Where do they go?

Really?

These people are enlisted until their term is up. Their "job" is to be in the army, navy, etc.

You've never heard of those big things called military bases that are full of military people marching around - with all the buildings and jeeps and planes and trucks and tanks and firing ranges and obstacle courses and all the mean people yelling?

That's pretty much where they go.

only idiots would question your obvious intelligence. :2 cents:

and he called me stupid - hillarious

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The troops coming home with nothing to do can join the OWS movement.

No, you're definitely a moron, I think that was proven. I wasn't aware of such an influx of troops going back to military bases. I also wasn't aware what so many of these guys would do after their service was up. But good try:winkwink:

They do what every peace time army does...train and prepare for their next engagement.

Even with such an influx of soldiers coming home? I suppose that was the question, no matter how out of proportion my bitch MaDalton made it out to be.

Those that do not want to reenlist or have their retirement time in will get out and those that are career oriented will stay in and they are a relatively high percentage.

Makes sense, I suppose it was self explanatory. Great news that the troops will make the holidays. Them hopefully they all get sent to Mexico.

Sup Dave! Hows my favorite khazar faggot doing today?

Says the idiot who complains about govt jobs. :1orglaugh

The U.S. maintains a standing military and our troop levels did not increase in any significant number...if at all...during the past ten years...so the returning troops will not be discharged because they are no longer needed...unlike some previous conflicts.