50 fucked affiliates

ok, next time I will check with you before posting. If I would have known this matter was closed to your satisfaction I wouldn't have started this thread. :upsidedow


btw 64 - 2 :thumbsup

Actually there were several other people in that thread that were getting fucked by fleshlight and were still talking about it. So while that thread was closed, the fact of the matter is that fleshlight is fucking more than just the original "op". He might be fine with getting fucked and looked at it as resolved, apparently others were not ready to bend over and take it up the ass and still wanted to talk about it.

Further more, these type of situations are "topics of discussion" for affiliates to talk about with other affiliates, how we get screwed time and time again by these companies. I guess you missed the title "affiliates, what do you think... "

If this is a topic you don't think is worth talking about any longer, I am sure you can find the door. However, it seems like you want to stay and continue to share your wisdom with us...

Eric closed the thread Will not me. Talk to him if you think it was closed prematurely.

Eric closed the thread because it was resolved between the OP and FleshLight.... ok well mainly because Fleshlight is an advertiser here and I am sure they contacted him.

I was informing you that your comment above was not correct. There were a lot more people involved than just the op and no one else seemed to be satisfied. Just because Eric closed that thread, doesn't mean that other affiliates can't discuss what happened.

lolol 62-2

i wonder who the 2 are?

Pretty interesting as those can't be all affils voting 70-2. That's almost unheard of for a poll.

Obviously it must be 70 trolls, and the 2 new FNCash employees. lol.

Indeed, troll solidarity! hehe Good to see :thumbsup

Trolls of a feather stick together or something like that. :)

I have contacted them and got an account just yesterday i believe it was. 2 sale's only and i get a free fleshlight. Now that i see they are that kind of company to treat their affiliates like complete monkey shit and hold earnings. Fuck em. I'm pretty sure 98% of affiliates are going to stay away if they see this thread/threads.

2000$ isn't much, but if you could have stated proof and a non update of TOS after x amount of years matuloo has sold for them.. That's something you take to court... You don't do that shit.

i think they (FN) fucked up....

Not allowing your affiliates pages to show up in the search engines would require your affiliates to block googlebot or add all pages that include the word 'fleshlight' to robots.txt... Like that's ever gonna happen. In the other thread KlenTelaris used the following analogy to demonstrate how ridiculous Fleshlights entire position is:

It's not trademark infringement as he never pretended to be Fleshlight or a representative or agent of Fleshlight. His fleshlight review site (in other words: him writing his opinion on fleshlight) is covered by the fair use clause.

Yes, and every one of those companies could tomorrow change its TOS to include that you now need to send a picture of yourself rubbing chocolate sauce over your butt cheeks whilst licking tabasco off of a baseball bat as proof of identity in order to get paid.

The fact that they could do something or claim they have the right to do something does not make it a good business decision.

I agree with you 100%. I they want to own the domain simply transfer domain but let the webmaster host and run the site that's what we did. Reality is there is no harm in the copyright in doing this from what I've been told

I have heard this from other sponsors as well.. I think it was femjoy I asked if I can register a domain to promote one of their sites and they said I could they just wanted to own the domain.. I passed on the offer but its good to know that is an option.

The poll is a good thing. :thumbsup

nice job will

It's nice to see someone that understands this. This has fuck all to do with TOS and the fact that they gave explicit permission is just more proof of their idiocy. From the start his site was legal. The fact that they gave permission would make any site legal. I absolutely guarantee you that withholding funds that were rightfully his until he gave up his valuable property is illegal and they would lose in court.

I don't get how he never pretended to be fleshlight. He has the trademarked term fleshlight in his domain name and he's selling fleshlights!

When it comes to trademark rights it's pretty bleak since it's entirely enforced through private lawsuits. To my knowledge there are no clauses that automatically means an enforcer has no grounds in court.

Anyways, I don't really want to argue semantics because either way they're pieces of shit.

That's like me giving an affiliate permission to remove a watermark and then sue them for copyright infringement after they've made me 10s of thousands.

The fact he's not the only affiliate they fucked over makes me pretty pissed off. What even irks me more is they defended their position by pointing to their 'new' terms and conditions. When they owe everyone an apology for scamming their affiliates by giving them permission then later making legal threats.

..........

is he personally selling them? Or is he linking to the original products affiliate program, something as defined as an 'affiliate program'

That makes it even more pathetic / hilarious. I feel bad for this guy, I would be livid.

that is because you are an honest, stand up guy and you weren't trying to fuck your affiliates out of income. I am sure FleshLight could have thought up the same solution I did, that you have also used, but their objective wasn't trademark protection, but simply trying to get out of paying those affiliates sales.

I am not an attorney but I asked the question... does giving permission publicly for affiliates to use your "trademark" and then allowing said affiliates to continue to use said trademark for 6 years, does that nullify any claim they have to now enforce "trademark infringement".

Like I said I'm not an attorney, but seems like if you tell people its ok to do and let them do it for several years, then you lose the ability to pull the "infringing" card against them in the future.

Yes, two separate things.

He had a right to his domain from the beginning, with or without permission, because it is an opinion site. As long as he doesn't represent himself as the owner / spokesperson for Fleshlight he was fine legally. Sure, they could have not taken his traffic but he would still own his domain and could put ads or monetize it another way.

The fact that they gave anyone permission to use the domain makes this much worse. That means sites with names like fleshlightgirls.com would be OK, even though they just posted pictures of girls using Fleshlights on men or something. Without permission fleshlightgirls.com would be infringement. Once you give permission for someone to use your trademark in this way you lose the right to protect it from such use. They blackmailed him with threats of not paying him his own money in an effort to take over his domain which is illegal. From what was posted above it looks like the unfounded claims of infringement might even be actionable on top of that.

They are shitty all around, they are wrong about his site infringing and even if he wasn't covered under that part of the law the permission makes them wrong again. At this point they are as backasswards as you can get in an argument and should be ashamed of themselves. I would bet hard earned money that they knew all of this before they held his money, they just didn't expect him to fight them on it.

So, 3 people out of 95 actually believe what they're doing is okay? Pretty lopsided results so far :1orglaugh

A trademark is the property of the owner. So, affiliates are embarking on a very dangerous journey to register domains containing it.

Only an idiot would post 100% INCORRECT information when the entire thread is full of proof that the information is incorrect.

bullshit, for all the reasons already stated

i received my FN Cash approval the day before/day of this shit hitting the fan. won't be using it now...unless they make it right

i see no reason why a company in our industry with an "un-tube-able", hard product needs to make such a harsh (and two-faced) maneuver.... well, i do but i'll let someone else say it.

Their product might be "un-tube-able" but they have been one of the biggest advertisers on legal and illegal tube sites since day one, not to mention their ads fly on beasty sites and worst.

where are they with their shitty crappy crying blah blah empty dumb still again and again the fucking brain blocked responses?

It appears that their people have been given orders not to respond further.

all the more reason why the whole legality stance falls on its face

Ignoring this makes them look even worse.

bump for fuck fncash

What was that again?

not sure what they can say. probably better off ignoring it and hoping it goes away or crying to the mods to try to get this thread deleted.

fleshlight is royally fucking affiliates, this was a BAD MOVE - they hired some new tool whose goal is to increase profits, but who doesn't think farther than his big fucking nose - therefore he forgets, fleshlight was built because OF affiliates!! idiot!!

links pulled, there are tons of other sex toy companies to promote, fuck fleshlight and their money hungry capitalists that care about profits and not the people who helped them build their empire!

The question is who are the six program owners and reps who voted that it was okay? If they don't work for FNCash then it'd be good to know because chances are they will be fucking affiliates soon enough too.

When will Fleshlight reply?

According to poll they are fucking affiliates,95% of ppl voted for it....

As quoted from another board.

I hope whoever was responsible for this is fired at FNcash but sadly, I doubt it.

Unfortunately, I think it was the owner and I don't think he realizes what an ass he has made of his company in the eyes of affiliates.

Dumb-De-Dumb, business as usual. :321GFY

You of all people should know better than to make such a blanket statement. A trademark is more than just a term, it is also a matter of usage. Also if consent was given, which it appears it was.

Guess what i voted ?

This is pure bullshit !
What makes me sad is that lots of sponsors will start pulling stuff like this as sells decline.
Fuck off...

Start pulling links now for people who you suspect will do this. It's not to hard to see who is an asshole and who isn't just by spending a couple minutes reading their posts. You can't call them all but you can call most. Who are some competitors to FNCash by the way?