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10-16-2011, 07:38 AM | #351 | |
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I never understood it as that. I honestly don't care if youre still receiving the money. I care about the affiliates not being paid. And how people are treating affiliates. I understood it as you took down the affiliate program and not the paysites, the paysites generate the money, the affiliate program is for handling affiliate payouts. The only thing you did was cut out payments to affiliates. There is no operating costs of an affiliate program. The costs are in the paysite, especially considering the affiliate program would be on the same server. So it's a matter of 350 a month. So youre telling me that you aren't being paid 350 a month, so you took down the affiliate program. How about taking down the paysites considering they're not paying you? Im just trying to make some sense of this
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Seems expensive.
I bet I would do it much cheaper.
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10-16-2011, 07:41 AM | #355 |
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just a thought
why not just simply make the sites ccbill?
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that program owe me around $50
Please, keep that money as an act of charity. it's my pleasure.
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10-16-2011, 07:56 AM | #357 | |
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Just messed up. You need to pick who you do business with better It sure it crazy that they can't afford the affiliate software bill when theyre making more than myself and im growing While I no longer really think youre the one at fault here, the fact that you've been sitting here defending the website closing and their actions, as if theyre broke and have no other options. Well it makes you look bad because what theyre doing can only be looked at as one thing, ripping people off. Thats the only real issue i have. |
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Which is kind of hard to believe personally. Let's say the whole program does 12 new joins a day (conservative considering all the other sites they have). 12 * $30 = $360 Then let us say the program has double that in rebills per day which is reasonable considering how popular it once was. 24 * 30 = $720 That adds up to $1080 a day in revenue. Even if every single sale were affiliate sales that would still leave $540 per day after paying affiliates. $540 * 30 = $16,200 per month. 12 sales a day too high? Let's just say 7 sales a day then. 7 * 30 = $210 new sales / day 14 * 30 = $420 in rebills / day $630 / day $315 / day after paying 50% to affiliates. $315 * 30 = $9,450 per month After paying affiliates. Doesn't make sense to me unless about $5,000+ a month isn't enough for them to live on or the numbers are radically different (to many people it isn't but then again they probably have many affiliates who live on a lot less too) . It'd be interesting if Biggy would publish the numbers. At least it would give any affiliates who are actually losing money and upset an explanation. Don't get pissed that the numbers are wrong, Biggy. I'm just trying to come up with something here because the real numbers aren't known. |
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Yeah, I guess all the $ I made in the past should be ignored, like when she went hardcore.
I guess in her prime, when that site was a CASH MACHINE, and affiliates got paid each and every time, we should ignore that as well. Let's just ignore the entire successful history of that site. I am very thankful for the run I had with them. |
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ive known biggy for almost 8 years now.. i talked to him last night bout the whole melissa issue, he wasn't getting paid yet he came here to be everyone's punching bag. he wasnt in control of the payments or the $. if he was, people would have gotten paid.
there is no point in getting worked up with this because shane or melissa won't change their mind on this. the $ is gone and that's just part of the biz i guess. i lost low $xxxx cause of this but in the end i made a TON of money from melissamoney. thanks for taking cock melissa links are easy to remove and change, and its time to move on
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It appears this way now, I wasn't drilling him, I was simply asking questions to help myself make sense of this. I did end up making a little more sense of it and it appears Shane and Melissa are a couple of low lives who will do anything to avoid getting real jobs.
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10-16-2011, 08:15 AM | #367 |
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Money earned from the program goes to Shane.
Shane does not pay Biggy. Biggy, third party "operator", pay affiliates out of own pocket. Biggy confirms that Shane will not be paying Biggy. Biggy has no choice but to close "program." That it? Not sure why Biggy is getting ragged on. Sounds like he got fucked the most. Shane/Melissa are to blame and all we can do is move on. Melissa was hot, the time/money I spent promoting her has been recouped many times over. It's a shame, but arguing over an unfortunate situation isn't going to pay anyone. Good luck everyone, remember that any ONE sponsor is but one piece of your large puzzle. If you haven't been screwed yet, you will at some point. Enjoy the fruits while they are good, always be prepared to pick from the next tree.
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Money earned from the program goes to Shane. Shane does not pay Biggy. Biggy, third party "operator", -updates site, runs wm support. Shane pays affiliates out of own pocket. Biggy confirms that Shane will not be paying affiliates. Biggy has no choice but to close "program." |
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10-16-2011, 08:22 AM | #370 | |
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duh! Her name is Melissa not Sue. j/k, i know what you saying.
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For me it's still a black mark on him because of the association. If he is as innocent as he states it's a shame but I have to look out for myself too just as he claims to be doing by shutting down the affiliate program but leaving the sites and processing up. All too often does this sort of thing happen where certain players try to weasel out of taking any blame with various excuses and claims. We've seen it again and again. Affiliates aren't getting paid, site is up. That's the bottom line. Nothing personal. It's my own judgment call. To each their own. Good luck to all parties involved.
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10-16-2011, 08:26 AM | #372 |
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It's always boo hoo poor me, when they take your money, but the sites are still up. Someone is paying the hosting. Wow, they're facing bankrupcy, bummer. How was it a while back when they were up to their asses in hundred dollar bills. Times are tough all over, so let's all go rob someone. And Paul, you are dead wrong in this thread.
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10-16-2011, 08:27 AM | #373 | |
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In the real world, people don't resort to stealing. They get a fucking job, or second job or third job to pay their personal bills. What Melissa and Shane are doing here is using the affiliate's money to pay their bills so they don't have to go out and work to make the money... booo fucking who. I don't feel sorry for them one bit, between the both of them they could easily WORK enough to cover their bills and wouldn't need to steal. This is no different then if I worked for a company and didn't make enough in my pay check so instead of getting a second job I just stole money from the register. THEFT! But like Epitome said, in this case it is a civil matter and she would need to be sued.
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10-16-2011, 08:30 AM | #374 | |
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then get a fucking job! Don't steal from the people who helped make you millions! Again, he sucks at being a "punching bag". He is coming across as an arrogant prick, that is doing himself no favors.
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This is why we get screwed time and time again. It's attitude like this. Epass enabled lots of people to easily transfer money, so even though people got screwed it enabled a lot of people to do business easier. ibill allowed membership sites to make millions of dollars, they should be thankful for the time they spent using them to make that money. programs go "out of business" and stop paying revshare, we should all say thank you for the opportunity.... etc etc etc You might as well just tell everyone in the future when their business declines or times get tough, first step fuck your affiliates and/or business partners. They will thank you for the opportunity they had. Fuck that, why can't people just upheld their end of the deal for once and not STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED MAKE THEM ALL OF THAT MONEY. It's not how much she helped make you, it's how much YOU helped make them... and this is the way they repay you. And... if you did want to donate to them because you liked them then by all means do so if you wish, but it shouldn't be a force "donation" by everyone. Some of their affiliates might be in worst situation than they are and obviously they don't give a flying fuck. Quote:
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He came in here to defend his companys name that was named in this thread. Not to be a punching bag. lol
He also defended a couple that stole from a ton of affiliates. I think biggy makes enough money where this all seems like small stuff and thats what gives him this why not let the poor couple have more attitude. While he did convince me that it's not him being a main part of it, definitely didn't come to this thread like I would have if i was in his position. I would have came in here saying "what they did was not right but its their choice and not mine, im giving myself distance from them, while they are still friends, i can assure you i wont be doing business with them at any time again and you can trust that i would never treat my affiliates like this" instead he said, well the thousands they make off this network a month isn't enough, it makes sense that they did this (and i may have even mentioned the idea to them) Somebody needs to work on their PR considering it now appears as if you'd do the same thing if you werent making what you used to be making. |
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But I also did say they ran out of $, and this is what happens when people run out of $. Go back and re-read everything, including my posts. Then I responded to some other random comments people posted, and now people just assume I am on their side since I am disagreeing with them over other smaller comments, so as you get lost in the little things, their perception of the big picture is now totally changed, so let me say it one more time. Not paying affiliates is wrong. will76 - is a known idiot. dude will argue anything until he's blue in the face, not even going to attempt to go there haha or read his posts tbh. |
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a lot of idiots here who love drama, they aren't even owed $. its ridiculous. and the ones that are owed, are for the most part saying good things. |
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That is true but while some people aren't owed, I think alot of untrusting affiliates who have been screwed one too many times effects alot of people, especially other solo girl program owners. For example, if I moved my program over to my own merchant account like I one day plan on doing, the first thing people will be doing is questioning it because of moves pulled by people like Shane & Melissa. So I really think it hurts alot of us.
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From an affiliate's perspective: 1. Avoid all risk, bind and limit yourself to one company, and run a non-optimized limited set up, while you compete with the people who keep all options open. 2. Take on risk, open your horizons on promotional products, don't limit yourself at all, and probably take on more $ and more losses, while being more diversified. Show me a very successful company, and then tell me they don't have problems they have to manage around (non-payments, lawsuits, etc). Anyone who agrees with #1 is flawed. If you sign up to be wholly risk-averse, then you are limiting yourself in big big ways. Maybe they have been burned and its an emotional argument, but they surely are not helping themselves #win into the future. They can argue until they are blue in the face but they are on their way out. This is definitely a business for the lions. It's about taking a punch in the gut and moving forward. Look at what I have to deal with at this thread alone. You see me running away or hiding or not taking my shots? |
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stealing is stealing, no excuse. I guess we should all forgive JJ of SOBV, he also made people a ton of money before stealing affiliate's money.
I guess next time someone robs a bank they should use the I'm broke, behind on bills, and need food to feed my kids. And I'm a hot chick with nice tits excuse
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This situation sucks. I know it's an old deal for biggy and he would never have structured it that way today. I've always had to be 100% in control of the dollars( in partnerships) for reasons like this. Models (and their suitcase pimps) have a track record of eventually going down this path
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you are either in business or out of business...
go the bankrupt route and let the trustee deal with the mess... |
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Otherwise, it's theft. The affiliate could have sent the join instead to a competing website and received the money for it... It's no different than hiring a contractor to fix your house and refusing to pay for it... Affiliates are 'contractors' hired to generate traffic and sales.. |
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We have been jason-forrest'd, at least I (we) lost less money this time
And, kids/family, all that is absolute bullshit, trying to smooth over and "reasoning", and trying to sympathize with Shane and family ....fuckit, we ALL have families, bills, and shit to pay for, they opened a revshare program and agreed to pay sales/rebills and now are still taking new members and not paying affiliates shit they took a dump on every single affiliates chest. For me thank god it was a small dump, jj sobv took a massive squirty shit on my chest Sorry to Biggy, good guy, and I understand he's trying to make least drama out of this... but truth is, they could get jobs, man up and take responsibility for his bad decision-making. Nothing much to say though anymore, I agree, affiliates we must move on, delink the hell out of their site, and add to our blacklists to hopefully prevent anyone in future to do buziness with Shaner
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typical.. when you can't defend your position to logic, you just chose to ignore it. You people can't argue the fact that what they are doing is wrong. That there is no legit excuse to keep an affiliate's money. If they need to pay their personal bills then they should get a job. All you did was come into this thread to try to separate your program from them, defend them, insult people and cry that you are a victim too when all we know you still getting paid. lol yeah I am a an idiot? I have made more sales than 99.5% of the people on this board including program owners. You however, will never see any sales from me. Congrats.
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Paul is here. Thread is ruined now.
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long story short I'm not getting my cheddar?
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nope, they spent it on fieldhouse
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What's this "fieldhouse" thingy?
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Nobody is saying Melissa did the right thing and nobody is saying everyone should have gotten ripped off. What people are saying is that things should be taken into perspective.
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