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  • Pseudonymous
    Photographer/Owner
    • Apr 2006
    • 2661

    #346
    Originally posted by Biggy2
    Because I, personally, am paying to operate the site and I don't get paid, so I'm operating it at a loss.

    Revenue: $0
    Expenses: employees to update the site + outsourced work,

    This leaves me in the negative, personally.
    I must have misunderstood, I see the paysites still up. So you would still need to work on them, the only difference is that you dont pay affiliates.

    I could be wrong about this also but aren't most of those sites inactive? Which are still active if you dont mind me asking
    Previous owner of SoloRevenue
    Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

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    • DVTimes
      xxx
      • Jun 2003
      • 31658

      #347
      Originally posted by Biggy2
      Because I, personally, am paying to operate the site and I don't get paid, so I'm operating it at a loss.

      Revenue: $0
      Expenses: employees to update the site + outsourced work,

      This leaves me in the negative, personally.
      what are you paying to operate the site?

      What expenses? servers.

      Employees to update the site? What to upload a few pics and vids?

      And outsorced work?
      XXX

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      • Biggy2
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2002
        • 1821

        #348
        Originally posted by Pseudonymous
        I must have misunderstood, I see the paysites still up. So you would still need to work on them, the only difference is that you dont pay affiliates.

        I could be wrong about this also but aren't most of those sites inactive? Which are still active if you dont mind me asking
        Yeah, you understood it as if I am getting the $ lol, and I am not.

        None of the sites are active, none of them have been active in years.

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        • DVTimes
          xxx
          • Jun 2003
          • 31658

          #349
          Originally posted by Biggy2
          Because I, personally, am paying to operate the site and I don't get paid, so I'm operating it at a loss.

          Revenue: $0
          Expenses: employees to update the site + outsourced work,

          This leaves me in the negative, personally.
          can we log in to see our stats please.
          XXX

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          • Biggy2
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2002
            • 1821

            #350
            Originally posted by DVTimes
            what are you paying to operate the site?

            What expenses? servers.

            Employees to update the site? What to upload a few pics and vids?

            And outsorced work?
            Yeah. I pay people to do that. It's not free.

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            • DVTimes
              xxx
              • Jun 2003
              • 31658

              #351
              Originally posted by Biggy2
              Yeah, you understood it as if I am getting the $ lol, and I am not.

              None of the sites are active, none of them have been active in years.
              why inactive?

              you can still join can you not?
              XXX

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              • Pseudonymous
                Photographer/Owner
                • Apr 2006
                • 2661

                #352
                Originally posted by Biggy2
                Yeah, you understood it as if I am getting the $ lol, and I am not.

                None of the sites are active, none of them have been active in years.
                I never understood it as that. I honestly don't care if youre still receiving the money. I care about the affiliates not being paid. And how people are treating affiliates. I understood it as you took down the affiliate program and not the paysites, the paysites generate the money, the affiliate program is for handling affiliate payouts. The only thing you did was cut out payments to affiliates. There is no operating costs of an affiliate program. The costs are in the paysite, especially considering the affiliate program would be on the same server. So it's a matter of 350 a month. So youre telling me that you aren't being paid 350 a month, so you took down the affiliate program. How about taking down the paysites considering they're not paying you? Im just trying to make some sense of this
                Last edited by Pseudonymous; 10-16-2011, 06:47 AM.
                Previous owner of SoloRevenue
                Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

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                • DVTimes
                  xxx
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 31658

                  #353
                  Originally posted by Biggy2
                  Yeah. I pay people to do that. It's not free.
                  Seems expensive.

                  I bet I would do it much cheaper.
                  XXX

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                  • CaptainHowdy
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 94722

                    #354
                    Originally posted by DVTimes
                    Maybe with the extra income she can partner up much better ...

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                    • DVTimes
                      xxx
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 31658

                      #355
                      Originally posted by Biggy2
                      Yeah. I pay people to do that. It's not free.
                      just a thought

                      why not just simply make the sites ccbill?
                      XXX

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                      • Stef.
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 995

                        #356
                        that program owe me around $50

                        Please, keep that money as an act of charity.
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                        • Pseudonymous
                          Photographer/Owner
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2661

                          #357
                          Originally posted by Pseudonymous
                          I never understood it as that. I honestly don't care if youre still receiving the money. I care about the affiliates not being paid. And how people are treating affiliates. I understood it as you took down the affiliate program and not the paysites, the paysites generate the money, the affiliate program is for handling affiliate payouts. The only thing you did was cut out payments to affiliates. There is no operating costs of an affiliate program. The costs are in the paysite, especially considering the affiliate program would be on the same server. So it's a matter of 350 a month. So youre telling me that you aren't being paid 350 a month, so you took down the affiliate program. How about taking down the paysites considering they're not paying you? Im just trying to make some sense of this
                          It sounds as if you just gave up and gave them your 50 percent. Since when are people in the act of charity, especially to a couple people who have been burning money like crazy, if one of them had a job and with what they made in extra money off these websites, they could be doing rather well for themselves. Not only that, theyre scammers who wouldn't even pay for the affiliate software themselves knowing that'd rip off a ton of affiliates who got their websites to where they are.

                          Just messed up. You need to pick who you do business with better

                          It sure it crazy that they can't afford the affiliate software bill when theyre making more than myself and im growing

                          While I no longer really think youre the one at fault here, the fact that you've been sitting here defending the website closing and their actions, as if theyre broke and have no other options. Well it makes you look bad because what theyre doing can only be looked at as one thing, ripping people off. Thats the only real issue i have.
                          Last edited by Pseudonymous; 10-16-2011, 07:01 AM.
                          Previous owner of SoloRevenue
                          Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

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                          • signupdamnit
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 6697

                            #358
                            Originally posted by Pseudonymous
                            I never understood it as that. I honestly don't care if youre still receiving the money. I care about the affiliates not being paid. And how people are treating affiliates. I understood it as you took down the affiliate program and not the paysites, the paysites generate the money, the affiliate program is for handling affiliate payouts. The only thing you did was cut out payments to affiliates. There is no operating costs of an affiliate program. The costs are in the paysite, especially considering the affiliate program would be on the same server. So it's a matter of 350 a month. So youre telling me that you aren't being paid 350 a month, so you took down the affiliate program. How about taking down the paysites considering they're not paying you? Im just trying to make some sense of this
                            Could be wrong but I think what he's saying is that if they pay the 50% to affiliates they are operating at a loss or not making enough money.

                            Which is kind of hard to believe personally. Let's say the whole program does 12 new joins a day (conservative considering all the other sites they have).

                            12 * $30 = $360

                            Then let us say the program has double that in rebills per day which is reasonable considering how popular it once was.

                            24 * 30 = $720

                            That adds up to $1080 a day in revenue. Even if every single sale were affiliate sales that would still leave $540 per day after paying affiliates.

                            $540 * 30 = $16,200 per month.

                            12 sales a day too high? Let's just say 7 sales a day then.

                            7 * 30 = $210 new sales / day
                            14 * 30 = $420 in rebills / day

                            $630 / day
                            $315 / day after paying 50% to affiliates.

                            $315 * 30 = $9,450 per month After paying affiliates.

                            Doesn't make sense to me unless about $5,000+ a month isn't enough for them to live on or the numbers are radically different (to many people it isn't but then again they probably have many affiliates who live on a lot less too) . It'd be interesting if Biggy would publish the numbers. At least it would give any affiliates who are actually losing money and upset an explanation. Don't get pissed that the numbers are wrong, Biggy. I'm just trying to come up with something here because the real numbers aren't known.
                            Last edited by signupdamnit; 10-16-2011, 07:02 AM.

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                            • Pseudonymous
                              Photographer/Owner
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2661

                              #359
                              Originally posted by signupdamnit
                              Could be wrong but I think what he's saying is that if they pay the 50% to affiliates they are operating at a loss or not making enough money.

                              Which is kind of hard to believe personally. Let's say the whole program does 12 new joins a day (conservative considering all the other sites they have).

                              12 * $30 = $360

                              Then let us say the program has double that in rebills per day which is reasonable considering how popular it once was.

                              24 * 30 = $720

                              That adds up to $1080 a day in revenue. Even if every single sale were affiliate sales that would still leave $540 per day after paying affiliates.

                              $540 * 30 = $16,200 per month.

                              12 sales a day too high? Let's just say 7 sales a day then.

                              7 * 30 = $210 new sales / day
                              14 * 30 = $420 in rebills / day

                              $630 / day
                              $315 / day after paying 50% to affiliates.

                              $315 * 30 = $9,450 per month After paying affiliates.

                              Doesn't make sense to me unless about $5,000+ a month isn't enough for them to live on or the numbers are radically different (to many people it isn't but then again they probably have many affiliates who live on a lot less too) . It'd be interesting if Biggy would publish the numbers. At least it would give any affiliates who are actually losing money and upset an explanation. Don't get pissed that the numbers are wrong, Biggy. I'm just trying to come up with something here because the real numbers aren't known.
                              No no, he's definitely talking about himself, the fact that they (melissa &bf) are making more than enough to pay the bill is quite obvious and I don't think he can truly deny that on a board full of other owners that know what these sites make. What he was saying is that he was still operating it and not receiving any money so he closed down the affiliate program because he was in charge of paying for that. And I guess they aren't planning to either

                              The network is probably only getting 6-9 a day max, it's the rebilling customers that keep it doing as well as it is.
                              Last edited by Pseudonymous; 10-16-2011, 07:06 AM.
                              Previous owner of SoloRevenue
                              Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

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                              • Biggy2
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 1821

                                #360
                                Originally posted by Pseudonymous
                                You need to pick who you do business with better
                                Yeah, I guess all the $ I made in the past should be ignored, like when she went hardcore.

                                I guess in her prime, when that site was a CASH MACHINE, and affiliates got paid each and every time, we should ignore that as well. Let's just ignore the entire successful history of that site.

                                I am very thankful for the run I had with them.

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