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GTS Mark · 10-11-2011, 12:02 PM

Irish Confessional Box

An Irishman goes into the confessional box after years of being away
from the Church. He is amazed to find a fully equipped bar with
Guinness on tap. On the other wall is a dazzling array of the finest
cigars and chocolates in the world.

When the priest comes in, the Irishman excitedly begins..."Father,
forgive me, for it's been a very long time since I've been to
confession, but I must first admit that the confessional box is much
more inviting than it used to be."

The priest replies "Get out. You're on my side."

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 12:53 PM

Hahahaha, that's hilarious. Any update on paying me that old money GTS owes me from way-back-when?

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 01:20 PM

A bit more than $30k including missed pay and missed bonuses (for projects delivered), but I'll settle for $10k at this point to put it behind us. I'm nice like that.

L-Pink · 10-11-2011, 01:23 PM

Humor has left the building.

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edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 01:25 PM

It stopped being funny when I stopped getting my paycheck and was allowed to continue working for months with the promise of "eventually" getting it. Ah well.

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 01:32 PM

I'll take some barter to pay it off.

JamesChoopa · 10-11-2011, 01:54 PM

haha, I chuckled. Thanks for the laugh.

Kenny B! · 10-11-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

A bit more than $30k including missed pay and missed bonuses (for projects delivered), but I'll settle for $10k at this point to put it behind us. I'm nice like that.

This is no joke and not funny at all. Why not make a thread about it, or did I miss it?

Companies that don't pay should be outed!

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

This is no joke and not funny at all. Why not make a thread about it, or did I miss it?

$30k is such a small amount; Mark should be honest enough to just pay me or barter with me. He shouldn't need to be shamed into it. Playboy owes me $60k+, and I haven't made a thread about them, either. If it isn't six figures, I can't see making an entire thread about it -- GFY is cluttered enough with "OH EM GEE, YOU OWE ME $20" threads.

It was 3 paychecks @ $6,250 each, one $10,000 bonus payment, and at least half of another $10,000 bonus payment (although I contend that it's owed in full because of the failure to pay my base salary) .. so $33,750 to $38,750. Not too much, and I'd take it in payments, barter, or whatever form he prefers.

Kenny B! · 10-11-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

$30k is such a small amount; Mark should be honest enough to just pay me or barter with me. He shouldn't need to be shamed into it. Playboy owes me $60k+, and I haven't made a thread about them, either. If it isn't six figures, I can't see making an entire thread about it -- GFY is cluttered enough with "OH EM GEE, YOU OWE ME $20" threads.

It was 3 paychecks @ $6,250 each, one $10,000 bonus payment, and at least half of another $10,000 bonus payment (although I contend that it's owed in full because of the failure to pay my base salary) .. so $33,750 to $38,750. Not too much, and I'd take it in payments, barter, or whatever form he prefers.

So I can get you to do up to $90k in work then stop taking your calls or emails and you won't have an issue? I can muster up under $100k in programming work if you have spare time to not get paid again

GTS Mark · 10-11-2011, 02:46 PM

Dom did you just forget to take your meds? I haven't heard from you in months?

GTS Mark · 10-11-2011, 02:50 PM

Has brain damage settled in from your failed MMA career or did you just sell off your last car and you're broke? Why in the world would you approach me in this manner?

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

So I can get you to do up to $90k in work then stop taking your calls or emails and you won't have an issue? I can muster up under $100k in programming work if you have spare time to not get paid again

I won't make a thread about it. I'll still have an issue.

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Originally Posted by GTS Mark

Dom did you just forget to take your meds? I haven't heard from you in months?

My meds? Proof of required meds, please. You know the rules.

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Originally Posted by GTS Mark

Has brain damage settled in from your failed MMA career or did you just sell off your last car and you're broke? Why in the world would you approach me in this manner?

My failed MMA career? 6-3 is a failure? What's your record? My last car? I sold my Viper, three of my BMW's (kept the 5-series), my Mustangs, my Firebird, my Camaro two of my Porsches, and some trucks. That's hardly my "LAST" car ... you know my driveway. When I'm down to my "LAST" car, you can pay me in cars, too, if you prefer.

I'm "approaching" you in this thread because other methods have failed. You keep saying you'll hit me at some point, or just laugh it off. I assume now you aren't laughing, so maybe this was the most effective way. Would you prefer another method? Of course I'll update the thread when we're settled up so everyone knows you're honorable and take care of your debts.

LeRoy · 10-11-2011, 03:09 PM

Good one

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 03:10 PM

Actually, speaking of MMA ... if you'll get in the cage for 3 five-minute rounds ... if you WIN, you owe me nothing. If I win, you owe me the full $38,750.

We'll split any sponsorships, too .. and I'd be willing to do it at an adult convention. Think of the publicity GTS could pull from this.

What would you have to fear from a "failed" MMA competitor?

vsex · 10-11-2011, 03:24 PM

Oh man, this is getting good now! Amazing to see he hasn't denied it yet.

JFK · 10-11-2011, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Actually, speaking of MMA ... if you'll get in the cage for 3 five-minute rounds ... if you WIN, you owe me nothing. If I win, you owe me the full $38,750.

We'll split any sponsorships, too .. and I'd be willing to do it at an adult convention. Think of the publicity GTS could pull from this.

What would you have to fear from a "failed" MMA competitor?

Fight fight fight ............... 2 man enter one man leaves

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 03:39 PM

Here's the ICQ conversation we just had. I added our names to it (it's confusing otherwise), but made no other edits of any kind. I did it very quickly because we're leaving for dinner then to pick out house furniture/decorations, so if there are errors, I apologize. I'll be back later, if I remember, to read replies.

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Mark -GTS (DH) 5:52 PM are you brain damaged?
Mark -GTS (DH) 5:52 PM why in the world would you post that?
Mark -GTS (DH) 5:52 PM Are you taking medication or something?
Mark -GTS (DH) 5:53 PM depressed?

Edgeprod 6:10 PM Nah, none of the above!
Edgeprod 6:10 PM Why WOULDN'T I post that?
Edgeprod 6:10 PM It's been four years, you haven't even made a TOKEN payment .. that's kind of lame.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:13 PM do you think posting that will get you anything from me?

Edgeprod 6:13 PM Back then, you told me it'd take a few months. After a few years, and 6-month-interval reminders, you haven't so much as farted a quarter in my direction. Does it shock you thank I'd want to eventually be paid?

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:13 PM you're not getting paid now
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM i can tell you that with 100% certainty

Edgeprod 6:14 PM So, I was getting paid, but now that after 4 years I've asked to be paid, I'm not?
Edgeprod 6:14 PM That makes sense.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM dude what did you actually build for us?
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM what did you actually deliver

Edgeprod 6:14 PM What didn't I build for you?
Edgeprod 6:14 PM What didn't I deliver/

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM i had to hire a guy to fix all your programming from what i remember

Edgeprod 6:14 PM I built everything you asked, never missed a dealine, and only stopped the deliverables when you got 3 months behind on payments.
Edgeprod 6:15 PM I seriously doubt that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM obv you have taken many punches to your head

Edgeprod 6:15 PM I believe that you hired a guy to make changes. I don't believe anything didn't work, because we tested it.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM over the course of your failed mma career
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM so you don't remember very much anymore

Edgeprod 6:15 PM I'm an amateur MMA athlete, I wouldn't consider it a career .. and I've only had 3 losses against 6 wins, so I doubt the failure part, too.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM if you think i owe you money, please enter into a court of law and come sue me.
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:16 PM i'm not hiding

Edgeprod 6:16 PM You know I wouldn't do that over such a small amount.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:16 PM but berating me on gfy will get you no where

Edgeprod 6:16 PM And I never thought that you were a scumbag that didn't pay his debts and needed to be sued. Is that what you're saying? In order for contractors to get paid by you, they need to sue you?
Edgeprod 6:16 PM I thought more highly of you.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:16 PM i thought you would do a good job and deliver a quality project

Edgeprod 6:17 PM Which I did.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM no you did not

Edgeprod 6:17 PM And I have the e-mails from both you and Devin to confirm that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM i had to hire someone full time to come in and fix that

Edgeprod 6:17 PM As well as ICQ conversations where you express how much you liked the deliverables, how much the products were selling, etc.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM All you did was try me on your failed feed system
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM the whole fucking times
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM the one that you made for playboy
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM that they obv thought as shit

Edgeprod 6:17 PM Never once did you complain, until you were 3 months late on payment, then you made some excuses about some features you "forgot" to include.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM you tried me to buy their system that you built for them
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM and i could smell the horseshit dom
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM that is why i never wanted it

Edgeprod 6:18 PM If they thought them as shit, I don't know why they engaged me for 3 months to begin with at $10,000 per month, then another 9 months at $10,000 per month, followed by another year renewal. Odd behavior of they don't like the product.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM now you are trying to hardball me in regards to paying you for a project that you never delivered on
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM what world do you live in?

Edgeprod 6:18 PM I delivered, front to back.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM bullshit

Edgeprod 6:19 PM You used the system until you shut down your failed business.
Edgeprod 6:19 PM Not bullshit. You e-mailed me expressing that I had done a good job, called me and said the same, and also said the same on ICQ.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:19 PM yeah i'm a huge failure thanks for reminding me

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:19 PM LOL

Edgeprod 6:19 PM Submitpasses, Mark.
Edgeprod 6:19 PM Which is what you're referring to.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:19 PM sell anymore cars recently?

Edgeprod 6:19 PM If you're saying that selling my Dodge Viper is due to financial failure, I fail to follow the logic.
Edgeprod 6:20 PM A paid off high-end car that I sold to invest in a company. Odd logic, again.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:20 PM i see someone that obv is on meds, that is broke and is now tryin to strong arm me to pay a debt that was never owed

Edgeprod 6:20 PM It's unfortunate that you say that you're so dishonest that someone needs to sue you to get paid. I'm very sorry to hear that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:20 PM you didn't deliver plain and simple

Edgeprod 6:21 PM I delivered, on time every time, and with good code. Devin, your COO at the time, can verify that. So can your e-mails, ICQs, and phone calls. You can't re-write history, unfortunately.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:21 PM if you disagree with that, that's your prerogative

Edgeprod 6:21 PM When you failed to pay for the third month (about $18,000 owed at that point), I told you I couldn't deliver more product without you catching up.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:21 PM Devin no longer works for me
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:22 PM and he was never my coo
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:22 PM you have your information wrong

Edgeprod 6:22 PM Your web site listed him as what, Operations?
Edgeprod 6:22 PM I'm just going by memory -- I don't study GTS. I have no reason to. My only involvement with them is that they owe me $38,750.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:22 PM in your mind we owe you that
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM in reality we do not

Edgeprod 6:23 PM You can try to re-write history all you want, but the debt is the debt. Your claim is that you're so dishonest that someone with a contract needs to sue you in order to collect money owed to them.
Edgeprod 6:23 PM That's unfortunate.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM Cool please send me the contract we had
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM i would love to see the paperwork

Edgeprod 6:23 PM Okay. I have it saved, like everything else. I'll post it in the thread for you.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM you can post whatever you like Dom
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM it will not get you paid

Edgeprod 6:23 PM I'm posting what you asked for.
Edgeprod 6:24 PM I'm aware that you're too dishonest to make payments to a vendor. I hope other vendors don't draw conclusions from that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM lol
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM you never delivered

Edgeprod 6:24 PM But you were delivered a product, it worked well, and now you're trying to say that it didn't. Unfortunately, the facts don't back that up.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM plain and simple

Edgeprod 6:24 PM I did indeed deliver.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM we had to hire someone to fix your work
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM no you did not

Edgeprod 6:24 PM I have the e-mails to you, to Devin, and back from both of you stating that the project was complete, was satisfactory, and made you money.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM Then why did you e-mail me and tell me what a good job I did?
Edgeprod 6:25 PM You told me in ICQ that you hired a programmer that wasn't me to A) save money, and B) make changes that you "forgot" to include on the spec sheet.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM I can post all of that for you to refresh your memory as well.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM The reality is that I delivered, I delivered well, and you didn't pay.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM Anything else isn't supported by reality or evidence.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM Every e-mail, ICQ, and contract backs up my story.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM Your story is backed up by a guy who is butthurt that his fraud came out into the light after being given 4 years to pay.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM And now, as a "penalty," you say I won't collect.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM That's very good business, and I applaud you.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM As a person, not so much.
Edgeprod 6:27 PM Anyway, I'm headed out to dinner now. We just got a new house and have to choose decorations. Don't worry -- your fat head will still adorn my dart board.
Edgeprod 6:27 PM Take care, Mark. Sorry to learn what you've become .. or perhaps always were.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:27 PM This is obv not going anywhere. Please e-mail me moving forward and i will direct you to my lawyer
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:27 PM [email protected]
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:27 PM have a nice life dom

garce · 10-11-2011, 05:11 PM

A real Irishman wouldn't give a shit about cigars or chocolates.

Diomed · 10-11-2011, 10:23 PM

Bump one for GTS Mark being a sketchy fuck.

He always deflects the real point of the matter with lame jokes and shit mouth.

Must make people feel real confident when doing business with him.

Hope you get your money back man! But you probably wont.

drmadcat · 10-11-2011, 10:41 PM

bump for more meltdown

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Diomed

Hope you get your money back man! But you probably wont.

Apparently, because I posted on GFY after 4 years, Mark can tell me "with 100% certainty" that I am now not getting paid .... Because apparently I was about to, any time now.

I might have to change my mind about making a thread. Or web page. Or personal e-mails to everyone I know they do business with (remember, I was the CTO of GTS). I'll decide soon, and then act.

I guess I'll base it on the next move. Maybe Mark was just reacting hot-headedly and intends to make this right.

drmadcat · 10-11-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Apparently, because I posted on GFY after 4 years, Mark can tell me "with 100% certainty" that I am now not getting paid .... Because apparently I was about to, any time now.

I might have to change my mind about making a thread. Or web page. Or personal e-mails to everyone I know they do business with (remember, I was the CTO of GTS). I'll decide soon, and then act.

I guess I'll base it on the next move. Maybe Mark was just reacting hot-headedly and intends to make this right.

if that was me i would not work after the first late check and be straight on to my legal team but if you trust someone then its different

edgeprod · 10-11-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by drmadcat

if that was me i would not work after the first late check and be straight on to my legal team but if you trust someone then its different

I'm not sure if you've ever dealt with companies in this industry, but it isn't the most regular-paying business sector. You learn to relax your expectations a little. Mark was constantly assuring me by phone that he was thrilled with my work and that payment was just hung up while the company went through some rough times. I heard wild and varying revenue claims, but I didn't yet have a reason to doubt him, despite what I had read about the man. Remember, I had been paid reasonable sums before being hung up for the three months of working without pay. Perhaps my mistake was in not reporting it to the labor bureau at the time. I assume that's still an option ... I hear Canada is serious about that sort of thing.

The whole reason I took such a low paying job (I was only guaranteed $75,000 per year with two $10,000 bonuses) was because my contract included an opportunity to sell my products as "branded" GTS products. GTS was to leverage their sales force to sell my stuff, and I'd share in the profits. Later, when this didn't happen, Mark told me on the phone that his guys were "too dumb to get it" (which was NOT my impression of his team -- I found many of them to be very smart and capable).

Instead of that mission, I was tasked with building a system for Submit Passes and an accounting backend for GTS. Many of the webmasters here probably used my built-from-scratch Submitpasses system, actually --- it was the one with the orange color scheme. It functioned well, but someone of only moderate skill tried to shoehorn in some ill-advised features after I left.

I built these systems, and that's when the payment weirdness started. Devin, who was in charge of operations at the time, can verify any and all of this. He still ICQ's me to this day about how Mark tricked me and took advantage. It disgusts us both.

devilspost · 10-11-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Fight fight fight ............... 2 man enter one man leaves

Remember where you are - this is Thunderdome, and death is listening, and will take the first man that screams.

misshappy · 10-12-2011, 05:12 AM

Shady as hell! That ICQ convo shows more than enough and I am glad I have never done any biz with that Mark doode.

Michael O · 10-12-2011, 05:33 AM

I nominate this thread as the biggest back fire award thread of the year at the next GFY Awards.

TMM_John · 10-12-2011, 05:48 AM

Hmmm... this Irish Confessional Box joke must be pretty funny as the thread keeps getting bumped back up for the past day or two... <click> oh... I see.

Tofu · 10-12-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

Hmmm... this Irish Confessional Box joke must be pretty funny as the thread keeps getting bumped back up for the past day or two... <click> oh... I see.

machinegunkelly · 10-12-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

about how Mark tricked me and took advantage. It disgusts us both.

You sure man? That doesn't sound like the Mark I know buhhahahhahah

retards · 10-12-2011, 09:22 AM

Thats a pretty good one

martinsc · 10-12-2011, 09:26 AM

edgeprod · 10-12-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by machinegunkelly

You sure man? That doesn't sound like the Mark I know buhhahahhahah

Ha, well ... true. But I didn't know "that" Mark QUITE yet. I think the ICQ conversation shows pretty well what Mark we ended up with.

iMind · 10-12-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Humor has left the building.

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right?

Sarah_Jayne · 10-12-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael O

I nominate this thread as the biggest back fire award thread of the year at the next GFY Awards.

StuartD · 10-12-2011, 12:30 PM

edgeprod is correct

edgeprod · 10-12-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

edgeprod is correct

Thank you, sir.

georgeyw · 10-12-2011, 03:05 PM

Oh wow this thread delivers!!

I cannot believe anyone would say 30k is too little to chase up. No one in their right mind would say that.

Just Alex · 10-12-2011, 03:42 PM

reminder to my self, never deal with GTS Ads.

edgeprod · 10-12-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

I cannot believe anyone would say 30k is too little to chase up. No one in their right mind would say that.

If $38,750 is going to make or break you, then you probably need to re-examine your financial position. But really it boils down to the risk/reward. Sue, and maybe you win, maybe you lose -- it still costs you money. You won't get a "clean" $38,750 in any case. Even with treble damages, it's only $116,250. After tax, figure $80,000 or so. $30,000 in attorney fees, you MIGHT clear $50,000 .... and that's a BIG if that you'd be granted the treble damages (although with the libel he's added about head injuries, medication, etc, it isn't that far fetched). So, worst case, you clear $10,000. Best case, you clear $50,000. If that's worth YEARS of litigation, travel, and headaches to you ... then I'm sorry to hear that.

And remember: you might lose, and be OUT even MORE money.

"Worth it" suits begin in the six-figure range. I didn't go after Playboy for $60,000 slam-dunk open-and-shut, so I'm certainly not going after GTS for $38,750. Five-figure suits are hard to even find attorneys willing to pursue them. Write it off as bad debt on your taxes and move on. Speaking of taxes, I estimated my taxes for that year, and included the money GTS was supposed to pay, so I guess I got hurt twice on that money.

Now, if you're saying $38k is sitting on the sidewalk, I'd tell you that anyone would bend over and pick it up .. that's common sense. But people toss around "I'LL SUE YOU" over $200 on GFY; it's just ridiculous sometimes.

georgeyw · 10-12-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

If $38,750 is going to make or break you, then you probably need to re-examine your financial position. But really it boils down to the risk/reward. Sue, and maybe you win, maybe you lose -- it still costs you money. You won't get a "clean" $38,750 in any case. Even with treble damages, it's only $116,250. After tax, figure $80,000 or so. $30,000 in attorney fees, you MIGHT clear $50,000 .... and that's a BIG if that you'd be granted the treble damages (although with the libel he's added about head injuries, medication, etc, it isn't that far fetched). So, worst case, you clear $10,000. Best case, you clear $50,000. If that's worth YEARS of litigation, travel, and headaches to you ... then I'm sorry to hear that.

And remember: you might lose, and be OUT even MORE money.

"Worth it" suits begin in the six-figure range. I didn't go after Playboy for $60,000 slam-dunk open-and-shut, so I'm certainly not going after GTS for $38,750. Five-figure suits are hard to even find attorneys willing to pursue them. Write it off as bad debt on your taxes and move on. Speaking of taxes, I estimated my taxes for that year, and included the money GTS was supposed to pay, so I guess I got hurt twice on that money.

Now, if you're saying $38k is sitting on the sidewalk, I'd tell you that anyone would bend over and pick it up .. that's common sense. But people toss around "I'LL SUE YOU" over $200 on GFY; it's just ridiculous sometimes.

What I read above is this.

"GTS Mark does not ever have to pay me because I will do nothing."

Put your ego back in the box and get your money - boasting about who has ripped you off and you not doing anything about it is pretty damn intelligent.

edgeprod · 10-12-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

"GTS Mark does not ever have to pay me because I will do nothing."

Basically, that's what happened, yes. I'd have been happy to settle it out for some peanut-like amount, but with what he said, I might want to just cost him 5x the business instead. I'm resourceful.

I think you missed the entire point of my post, though ... it's not about what's owed, it's about what you can collect. Remember, too: even if you win in court, you still have to then go to the mats to collect the money.

L-Pink · 10-12-2011, 07:47 PM

I've gone into lawsuits knowing that even if everything goes my way I'll lose money and time. So what. Step up for what you believe in and make a point. Otherwise you are just a mark.

Seriously, put his dick in the dirt if he fucked you.

.

georgeyw · 10-12-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Basically, that's what happened, yes. I'd have been happy to settle it out for some peanut-like amount, but with what he said, I might want to just cost him 5x the business instead. I'm resourceful.

I think you missed the entire point of my post, though ... it's not about what's owed, it's about what you can collect. Remember, too: even if you win in court, you still have to then go to the mats to collect the money.

There you go - I wish you good luck with that

FreeHugeMovies · 10-12-2011, 09:06 PM

Where is Devin when you need him?

jimmy-3-way · 10-12-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

If $38,750 is going to make or break you, then you probably need to re-examine your financial position.

Quoted for truth.

C'mon people, wise the fuck up.

edgeprod · 10-12-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

Where is Devin when you need him?

On ICQ.

Spunky · 10-12-2011, 10:41 PM

Can't we all just get along? Maybe a hot sauna is required to exchange the beef

edgeprod · 10-13-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

Can't we all just get along? Maybe a hot sauna is required to exchange the beef

I already got fucked once .. you want me to get fucked again?

Kenny B! · 10-13-2011, 09:46 AM

I see why you won't go to court over that amount, I've been taken a few times for $5k or less and really there isn't much recourse other than making it public and letting other know about your experience.

Court costs are high, and even if it's a small claims amount you still have to spend on travel costs. So bringing it to the court of public opinion is the cheapest and most effective way of getting back some of your cash.

I don't know the story other than what I've read here, but for someone to say they aren't paying because the code or job wasn't good then you should have been told that right away and corrected it, otherwise it's just a bs excuse to screw you on payments owed.

Hope you get paid man. I'm trying to get paid from a company that is very active here, sadly I just want my deposit back on a job that they couldn't complete and have been chasing them for months. Even the threat of going to the boards doesn't seem to matter, imagine if their hosting clients found out they don't have any reserves if something goes wrong, yet they are still dragging their asses to pay me. And I'm owed about 10% of what you were fucked for.

10-11-2011, 12:02 PM	#1
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Irish Confessional Box Irish Confessional Box An Irishman goes into the confessional box after years of being away from the Church. He is amazed to find a fully equipped bar with Guinness on tap. On the other wall is a dazzling array of the finest cigars and chocolates in the world. When the priest comes in, the Irishman excitedly begins..."Father, forgive me, for it's been a very long time since I've been to confession, but I must first admit that the confessional box is much more inviting than it used to be." The priest replies "Get out. You're on my side."

10-11-2011, 01:54 PM	#7
JamesChoopa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Jersey! Posts: 617	haha, I chuckled. Thanks for the laugh. __________________ ICQ/AIM: 574-969-312 / JamesChoopa Email: [email protected] A World Wide Leader In Hosting! * CHOOPA.COM *

10-11-2011, 03:09 PM	#14
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,344	Good one __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Teams - leroy.rowland2 Telegram - @lroddd

10-11-2011, 03:24 PM	#16
vsex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: East and West Coast Beaches Posts: 1,277	Oh man, this is getting good now! Amazing to see he hasn't denied it yet. __________________ VSEX.COM AFFILIATES [email protected] New Model Signup Most realistic thing ever written on GFY: Shap: "Solidarity is nice in theory but this industry has proven time and time again it can not stand together. The best advice I can give you is to do what is best for you with both your short term and long term goals in mind."

10-11-2011, 10:23 PM	#20
Diomed Converting like it's 1999 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The South Posts: 6,167	Bump one for GTS Mark being a sketchy fuck. He always deflects the real point of the matter with lame jokes and shit mouth. Must make people feel real confident when doing business with him. Hope you get your money back man! But you probably wont. __________________ 10 years of experience in: CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

10-11-2011, 12:53 PM	#2
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	Hahahaha, that's hilarious. Any update on paying me that old money GTS owes me from way-back-when?

10-11-2011, 01:20 PM	#3
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	A bit more than $30k including missed pay and missed bonuses (for projects delivered), but I'll settle for $10k at this point to put it behind us. I'm nice like that.

10-11-2011, 01:23 PM	#4
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Humor has left the building. .

10-11-2011, 01:25 PM	#5
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	It stopped being funny when I stopped getting my paycheck and was allowed to continue working for months with the promise of "eventually" getting it. Ah well.

10-11-2011, 01:32 PM	#6
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	I'll take some barter to pay it off.

10-11-2011, 02:46 PM	#11
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Dom did you just forget to take your meds? I haven't heard from you in months?

10-11-2011, 02:50 PM	#12
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Has brain damage settled in from your failed MMA career or did you just sell off your last car and you're broke? Why in the world would you approach me in this manner?

10-11-2011, 03:10 PM	#15
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	Actually, speaking of MMA ... if you'll get in the cage for 3 five-minute rounds ... if you WIN, you owe me nothing. If I win, you owe me the full $38,750. We'll split any sponsorships, too .. and I'd be willing to do it at an adult convention. Think of the publicity GTS could pull from this. What would you have to fear from a "failed" MMA competitor?

10-11-2011, 05:11 PM	#19
garce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,103	A real Irishman wouldn't give a shit about cigars or chocolates.

10-11-2011, 10:41 PM	#21
drmadcat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: in the back room wanking Posts: 2,024	bump for more meltdown __________________ asiamoviepass.com

10-12-2011, 05:12 AM	#26
misshappy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 54	Shady as hell! That ICQ convo shows more than enough and I am glad I have never done any biz with that Mark doode.

10-12-2011, 05:33 AM	#27
Michael O More Cowbell Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nakhom Nowhere Posts: 10,607	I nominate this thread as the biggest back fire award thread of the year at the next GFY Awards. __________________ Truth Teller

10-12-2011, 05:48 AM	#28
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,664	Hmmm... this Irish Confessional Box joke must be pretty funny as the thread keeps getting bumped back up for the past day or two... <click> oh... I see. __________________ Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

10-12-2011, 09:22 AM	#31
retards Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 55	Thats a pretty good one __________________ Always looking for non adult sponsors !

10-12-2011, 09:26 AM	#32
martinsc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 27,047	__________________ Make Money

10-12-2011, 12:30 PM	#36
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	edgeprod is correct __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

10-12-2011, 03:05 PM	#38
georgeyw 58008 53773 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 9,864	Oh wow this thread delivers!! I cannot believe anyone would say 30k is too little to chase up. No one in their right mind would say that.

10-12-2011, 03:42 PM	#39
Just Alex Liv Benson to You, Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland and WV Posts: 6,060	reminder to my self, never deal with GTS Ads. __________________

10-12-2011, 07:47 PM	#43
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	I've gone into lawsuits knowing that even if everything goes my way I'll lose money and time. So what. Step up for what you believe in and make a point. Otherwise you are just a mark. Seriously, put his dick in the dirt if he fucked you. .

10-12-2011, 09:06 PM	#45
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	Where is Devin when you need him?

10-12-2011, 10:41 PM	#48
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,947	Can't we all just get along? Maybe a hot sauna is required to exchange the beef __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

10-13-2011, 09:46 AM	#50
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,718	I see why you won't go to court over that amount, I've been taken a few times for $5k or less and really there isn't much recourse other than making it public and letting other know about your experience. Court costs are high, and even if it's a small claims amount you still have to spend on travel costs. So bringing it to the court of public opinion is the cheapest and most effective way of getting back some of your cash. I don't know the story other than what I've read here, but for someone to say they aren't paying because the code or job wasn't good then you should have been told that right away and corrected it, otherwise it's just a bs excuse to screw you on payments owed. Hope you get paid man. I'm trying to get paid from a company that is very active here, sadly I just want my deposit back on a job that they couldn't complete and have been chasing them for months. Even the threat of going to the boards doesn't seem to matter, imagine if their hosting clients found out they don't have any reserves if something goes wrong, yet they are still dragging their asses to pay me. And I'm owed about 10% of what you were fucked for. __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here