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Zoxxa · 09-22-2011, 04:14 PM

I am Canadian and if I was an America I would probably be considered a democrat, however I could not agree more with 12clicks and minte so far in this thread.

American's are treating their politics like a battle between the crips and bloods, where battling on internet forums and news website comment sections about every bullshit remark your party leaders make instead of discussing actual solutions. Instead, you would hope to see some type of common sense sneak into the minds of probably 90% of the absolute brain dead population in the US. People are more concerned about being part of a clan, then caring about the actual politics. Don't get me wrong, I am not a hater, I truly want to see America get it's shit together, because as a Canadian I was making 40-50 cents more on the dollar back in the day. However, the current active generations in America these days have absolutely no idea what the fuck they are talking about or doing, that goes for both parties. It is embarrassing.

Your country is a reality show to the rest of the world.

_Richard_ · 09-22-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Know enough to know where you'll be in 20 years.

uncanny..

icymelon · 09-22-2011, 05:43 PM

I personally think washington even the democrats have been republican light. Which is part of the problem. Cutting taxes doesn't create jobs. Demand is the only thing that is going to create jobs.

uno · 09-22-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Perry was Al Gore's campaign manager.
Bush ran against Gore. So politically, Bush and Perry are near opposites.

Not really. http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...mocrat-and-al/

Minte · 09-22-2011, 07:51 PM

More bad news for Obama

Just when it seemed President Obama was rallying his Democratic base anew, he still can?t escape the long shadow of his most recent Democratic predecessor.

In an extensive interview with the leading conservative news website Newsmax, former President Bill Clinton undercut Obama?s leading economic message about raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

?I personally don?t believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground,? Clinton said.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-snubs-...011400366.html

howardzinn · 09-22-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Newt is the smartest guy in the room (for either party) and I think hid plan includes eliminating (or drastically reducing, I don't remember) the corporate tax.
Eliminating that tax would cure the jobs problem AND the economy.

This is BS imo. The US already has low taxes, lower than most OECD countries. The thing that republicans have trouble understanding is that trickle down doesn't work and cutting taxes doesn't always bring about more employment.

Neoliberalism gave us cheap TVs and iPods but it has destroyed manufacturing. That's not coming back, high levels of long term unemployment are here to stay.

Corporations won't save the USA, helping small businesses is much more beneficial because they do employ locally and won't be sending their workforce to China or setting up their tax base in Ireland.

campimp · 09-22-2011, 10:46 PM

I'm not convinced that any politician, be it democrat or republican, is going to to be able to enact any meaningful changes given today's political environment.

And the fact that whatever side of the isle you are on, there is a media outlet that will cater directly to you does not help either. Republicans are always going to find talking points to back their beliefs just as democrats will... and no meaningful debate will ever take place because the general population does not think for itself, we just repeat what we hear without really trying to understand what we are being sold.

having said that, i think IF a republican is able to change things, that candidate would be ron paul. as someone already noted, presidents dont really have ultimate power to make changes, they need congress to back them up, and because of this i dont think he would be able to really change much on capital hill...BUT i think he can change the way the general population thinks. I think he is the only presidential candidate that will tell us the truth, i think he is ok saying what he thinks instead of trying ot say what he thinks will get him elected, and that is what we need. if he changes the way we debate, that will in the long run change the direction of the country, and that is crucial at this point. our political system is in real danger of complete collapse and unless people can start to have healthy debates about the country America truly is destined to become the laughing stock that most of the world already believes us to be

i have never voted republican, and i never thought i would, but i would vote for ron paul, if nothing else to have him tell us what is really going on.... no one else will in my opinion

PornoMonster · 09-23-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

More bad news for Obama

Just when it seemed President Obama was rallying his Democratic base anew, he still can?t escape the long shadow of his most recent Democratic predecessor.

In an extensive interview with the leading conservative news website Newsmax, former President Bill Clinton undercut Obama?s leading economic message about raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

?I personally don?t believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground,? Clinton said.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-snubs-...011400366.html

I believe what Clinton said also. What is needed is a revamp of ALL the systems out there. This BS fraud and waste, overcharging of the military. Stop all the wars, all troops home, quit giving out foreign aid, till our own country is fixed, and so on.

Minte · 09-23-2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I believe what Clinton said also. What is needed is a revamp of ALL the systems out there. This BS fraud and waste, overcharging of the military. Stop all the wars, all troops home, quit giving out foreign aid, till our own country is fixed, and so on.

The fact that Clinton said it,when he said it is the real news story.

Tom_PM · 09-23-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoxxa

I am Canadian and if I was an America I would probably be considered a democrat, however I could not agree more with 12clicks and minte so far in this thread.

American's are treating their politics like a battle between the crips and bloods, where battling on internet forums and news website comment sections about every bullshit remark your party leaders make instead of discussing actual solutions. Instead, you would hope to see some type of common sense sneak into the minds of probably 90% of the absolute brain dead population in the US. People are more concerned about being part of a clan, then caring about the actual politics. Don't get me wrong, I am not a hater, I truly want to see America get it's shit together, because as a Canadian I was making 40-50 cents more on the dollar back in the day. However, the current active generations in America these days have absolutely no idea what the fuck they are talking about or doing, that goes for both parties. It is embarrassing.

Your country is a reality show to the rest of the world.

When one party states flatly that it's goal is to prevent the other party from making progress, you can't really wait for them to acquire common sense some day.

Minte · 09-23-2011, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

When one party states flatly that it's goal is to prevent the other party from making progress, you can't really wait for them to acquire common sense some day.

It would've been better if the democrats had made some FORWARD progress when they had the chance. Instead they wasted all their politcal capital on a healthcare reform that is basically DOA.

So I agree,we really can't sit and wait for incumbant democrats to acquire common sense.

12clicks · 09-23-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by howardzinn

This is BS imo. The US already has low taxes, lower than most OECD countries. The thing that republicans have trouble understanding is that trickle down doesn't work and cutting taxes doesn't always bring about more employment.

Neoliberalism gave us cheap TVs and iPods but it has destroyed manufacturing. That's not coming back, high levels of long term unemployment are here to stay.

Corporations won't save the USA, helping small businesses is much more beneficial because they do employ locally and won't be sending their workforce to China or setting up their tax base in Ireland.

well listen, I'm sure you're a business owner and employer who is speaking from experience.......right?

by your posts I can tell that you have zero understanding of the strategy I'm suggesting.

12clicks · 09-23-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

When one party states flatly that it's goal is to prevent the other party from making progress, you can't really wait for them to acquire common sense some day.

when making progress means raising taxes, those of us who actually pay them understand the common sense of saying no.

JP-pornshooter · 09-23-2011, 02:31 PM

a moderate republican could do well.
someone like Tom McClintock.
the problem with moderate repubs is they dont make it past the primary.. to win the primary you have to be a hardcore conservative, and that dont fly with the majority of american voters.

as to what is needed to turn the country around:
nothing new, the problems we are having now we have had for 20 years but no one had to grab the bull by the horns, Obama was forced to do so.
Housing is what caused the mess, instead of trying all the other bull crap, fix the housing and the rest will come along.
i also believe the healthcare system is completely flawed, it need a 100% re-do.

Shotsie · 09-23-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by campimp

I'm not convinced that any politician, be it democrat or republican, is going to to be able to enact any meaningful changes given today's political environment.

And the fact that whatever side of the isle you are on, there is a media outlet that will cater directly to you does not help either. Republicans are always going to find talking points to back their beliefs just as democrats will... and no meaningful debate will ever take place because the general population does not think for itself, we just repeat what we hear without really trying to understand what we are being sold.

having said that, i think IF a republican is able to change things, that candidate would be ron paul. as someone already noted, presidents dont really have ultimate power to make changes, they need congress to back them up, and because of this i dont think he would be able to really change much on capital hill...BUT i think he can change the way the general population thinks. I think he is the only presidential candidate that will tell us the truth, i think he is ok saying what he thinks instead of trying ot say what he thinks will get him elected, and that is what we need. if he changes the way we debate, that will in the long run change the direction of the country, and that is crucial at this point. our political system is in real danger of complete collapse and unless people can start to have healthy debates about the country America truly is destined to become the laughing stock that most of the world already believes us to be

i have never voted republican, and i never thought i would, but i would vote for ron paul, if nothing else to have him tell us what is really going on.... no one else will in my opinion

Don't let Ron Paul fool you, he's all for earmarks and government waste when it helps his state and his political standing. He supported spending 200 billion on defense contracts for a project projected to be a faliure, it was because it started an arms race we know as 'Star Wars'. At the time it was criticized for being unrealistic, even unscientific, as well threatening to destabilize MAD and re-ignite an arms race, which it did. It was probably one of the biggest money wasting programs of the Reagan administration.

Texas is ranked second among states in the value of defense contracts won -$39,480,651,081 in 2007- and Ron Paul does not vote against them. So Ron Paul claims to be against war and government waste and here he is grabbing the cashcow that is government defense spending.

Ron Pauls motto should be: United in war we stand, Divided in peace we fall.

09-22-2011, 04:14 PM	#101
Zoxxa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,026	I am Canadian and if I was an America I would probably be considered a democrat, however I could not agree more with 12clicks and minte so far in this thread. American's are treating their politics like a battle between the crips and bloods, where battling on internet forums and news website comment sections about every bullshit remark your party leaders make instead of discussing actual solutions. Instead, you would hope to see some type of common sense sneak into the minds of probably 90% of the absolute brain dead population in the US. People are more concerned about being part of a clan, then caring about the actual politics. Don't get me wrong, I am not a hater, I truly want to see America get it's shit together, because as a Canadian I was making 40-50 cents more on the dollar back in the day. However, the current active generations in America these days have absolutely no idea what the fuck they are talking about or doing, that goes for both parties. It is embarrassing. Your country is a reality show to the rest of the world. __________________ [email protected] ICQ: 269486444 ZoxEmbedTube - Build unlimited "fake" tubes with this easy 100% unencoded CMS!

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icymelon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,220	I personally think washington even the democrats have been republican light. Which is part of the problem. Cutting taxes doesn't create jobs. Demand is the only thing that is going to create jobs. __________________ Network Of Adult Blogs With Hardlink Rentals Available

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	More bad news for Obama Just when it seemed President Obama was rallying his Democratic base anew, he still can?t escape the long shadow of his most recent Democratic predecessor. In an extensive interview with the leading conservative news website Newsmax, former President Bill Clinton undercut Obama?s leading economic message about raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans. ?I personally don?t believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground,? Clinton said. http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-snubs-...011400366.html __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	a moderate republican could do well. someone like Tom McClintock. the problem with moderate repubs is they dont make it past the primary.. to win the primary you have to be a hardcore conservative, and that dont fly with the majority of american voters. as to what is needed to turn the country around: nothing new, the problems we are having now we have had for 20 years but no one had to grab the bull by the horns, Obama was forced to do so. Housing is what caused the mess, instead of trying all the other bull crap, fix the housing and the rest will come along. i also believe the healthcare system is completely flawed, it need a 100% re-do. __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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campimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Gamehendge Posts: 1,340	I'm not convinced that any politician, be it democrat or republican, is going to to be able to enact any meaningful changes given today's political environment. And the fact that whatever side of the isle you are on, there is a media outlet that will cater directly to you does not help either. Republicans are always going to find talking points to back their beliefs just as democrats will... and no meaningful debate will ever take place because the general population does not think for itself, we just repeat what we hear without really trying to understand what we are being sold. having said that, i think IF a republican is able to change things, that candidate would be ron paul. as someone already noted, presidents dont really have ultimate power to make changes, they need congress to back them up, and because of this i dont think he would be able to really change much on capital hill...BUT i think he can change the way the general population thinks. I think he is the only presidential candidate that will tell us the truth, i think he is ok saying what he thinks instead of trying ot say what he thinks will get him elected, and that is what we need. if he changes the way we debate, that will in the long run change the direction of the country, and that is crucial at this point. our political system is in real danger of complete collapse and unless people can start to have healthy debates about the country America truly is destined to become the laughing stock that most of the world already believes us to be i have never voted republican, and i never thought i would, but i would vote for ron paul, if nothing else to have him tell us what is really going on.... no one else will in my opinion