What is there not to understand about the US over throwing Sadam - GoFuckYourself.com

theking · 01-31-2003, 03:00 AM

I posted all of these in multiple threads and decided to put them all together. To me it is easy to understand why we are going to overthrow Sadam and of course is no more than my considered

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Originally posted by theking

Reasons for war.

#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

Any one of the reasons above is a reason for war.

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Originally posted by theking

Proof of WMD's

During the first round of inspections after after the first gulf war, Iraq admitted that they had x number of tons/liters etc. of different types of chemical and different types of biological materials on hand as well as x number of chemical rockets/artillary rounds. The first round of inspections over saw the destruction of much of this material and weapons, but they were not allowed to finish the job. Iraq has now said that they took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining weapons and materials since 1998. They do not have the documentation to prove this and said that they destroyed the documentation when they destroyed the materials and weapons. Even if it were true that they destroyed the documentation of the destruction of the materials and weapons there would still be the physical evidence of the destruction of the these materials and weapons, which they have failed to present evidence of. There would also be those scientists and engineers etc. that would have been involved in the destruction of these materials and Iraq has failed to present these people that would have been involved in the destruction of the materials and weapons. Bottom line is they had chemical and biological materials and weapons, admitted that they had them, the first round of inpsections oversaw the destruction of much of the materials and weapons, but they were kicked out before the remaining materials and weapons were destroyed, and Iraq has yet to present one iota of proof that they in fact took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining chemical and biological materials and weapons, thus without proof that they did in fact destroy them (which is their burden as imposed in the last UN resolution) we the US and anyone with an ounce of brains must assume that they still have them, and may have even produced more of them since 1998.

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Some reasons why we may not be presenting clear cut proof to the UN, our "allies" and the world public.

I of course do not know what crystal clear proof may or may not exist such as photographs, but I do know that if we have black and white proof and presented that proof (even in secret to "allies") that information would have a good chance of being leaked and what are now targets would be dispersed and hidden so the opportunity to take them out will have been lost and as a result they could be used against our forces.

It has been reported that our CIA and military have outlined more than 700 targets to be hit, many of which are suspected, if not factually known to store chemical, biological materials or weapons. If we began to present this target list to the UN or to the world public or even to some of our "allies" those targets would not exist when it came time to attack them as they would have been cleaned of whatever they may now contain.

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We are not going it alone.

The President does not act in a vacuum and cannot act without the backing of the American people, which he has, the backing of congress, which he has (they gave him the thumbs up on Iraq several months ago), the backing of his cabinet, which he has, the backing of the justice department and the courts (the President cannot violate the constitution or the law), which he has, and at this point in time he has the backing of the UN Security Counsel (15-0). Nine countries at this point in time are committing troops, twenty-two other countries are offering other types of support. There will be more come on board before all is said and done. If I remember correctly there were only 38 countries that either committed troops and/or other types of support in the first gulf war. At this point in time we have the committment of 31 countries and counting.

LiveDose · 01-31-2003, 03:03 AM

Some people are just idealists or they don't like Bush. Those are the only valid reasons in this case...

KRL · 01-31-2003, 03:08 AM

People just have a very hard time accepting the immense wealth, worldwide power, and miltary might that the United States possesses and wields.

Its understandable. When you're the guy on top everyone below you wants to knock you down.

I mean heck all we want to do is control the whole planet. Is that asking too much?

theking · 01-31-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
People just have a very hard time accepting the immense wealth, worldwide power, and miltary might that the United States possesses and wields.

Its understandable. When you're the guy on top everyone below you wants to knock you down.

I mean heck all we want to do is control the whole planet. Is that asking too much?

Someone tonight called the US an empire and of course many countries call us imperialists. Could someone inform me what the last country was that we added to our empire?

EscortBiz · 01-31-2003, 03:48 AM

why waste talking about this, noone here can change anything if the president wants war there will be war regardless of GFY posts and talkshow bullshit

Scott McD · 01-31-2003, 03:51 AM

Mr.Fiction · 01-31-2003, 04:11 AM

Pathfinder has a theory that if he starts enough threads about the exact same thing then maybe someone will care about his brainwashed Rush Limbaugh posts.

Brainwashing by repetition may work on you, but it doesn't work on everyone.

Keep trying, though.

DarkJedi · 01-31-2003, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by theking
I posted all of these in multiple threads and decided to put them all together. To me it is easy to understand why we are going to overthrow Sadam and of course is no more than my considered

theking · 01-31-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Pathfinder has a theory that if he starts enough threads about the exact same thing then maybe someone will care about his brainwashed Rush Limbaugh posts.

Brainwashing by repetition may work on you, but it doesn't work on everyone.

Keep trying, though.

Feel free to point out any mistatements. I do not listen to Rush, I am not now, nor have I ever been a fan of Rush. By the way Pathfinder no longer has any theories about anything and

you for your shitty remark.

Vendot · 01-31-2003, 10:12 AM

Carries a high risk. I read this report in full but I think it understates the risks:

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...fings-Iraq.htm

Honeyslut · 01-31-2003, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Pathfinder has a theory that if he starts enough threads about the exact same thing then maybe someone will care about his brainwashed Rush Limbaugh posts.

Brainwashing by repetition may work on you, but it doesn't work on everyone.

Keep trying, though.

Theking is democratic so he sure as hell would not be listening to Rush Republican Limbaugh.

theking · 01-31-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by vendot
Carries a high risk. I read this report in full but I think it understates the risks:

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...fings-Iraq.htm

Of course there are risks. Some will balance the scale of "risks" one way and others will balance the scale the other way.

mjrools23 · 01-31-2003, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Pathfinder has a theory that if he starts enough threads about the exact same thing then maybe someone will care about his brainwashed Rush Limbaugh posts.

Brainwashing by repetition may work on you, but it doesn't work on everyone.

Keep trying, though.

playa · 01-31-2003, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by vendot
Carries a high risk. I read this report in full but I think it understates the risks:

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...fings-Iraq.htm

these people kill me,, i quote from their site

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evidence of Iraqi military tactics in 1991
shows that the survival of the regime is the core policy
and that chemical and biological weapons are almost certain to be used, certainly against attacking troops and possibly against targets in neighbouring countries;

WTF,, i thought the anti-war people don't believe the Iraqi's have WMD???

theking · 01-31-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut

Theking is democratic so he sure as hell would not be listening to Rush Republican Limbaugh.

"Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot", was an amusing book.

Rich · 01-31-2003, 01:17 PM

I still don't believe you're not Pathfinder, but I agree with you here. I can't wait for the day they start the invasion, the sooner the better.

slackor · 01-31-2003, 01:29 PM

Ask Bush, all I see on the news is "time is running out" and "enough is enough" yet Bush does nothing....

Hawkeye · 01-31-2003, 01:30 PM

When Iraq actually attacks the United States, only then will war be justified, mmmmkay?

Paul Markham · 01-31-2003, 02:57 PM

#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

I think the surrender terms were to the United Nations not the United States.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

Prove it and show the proof

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

They were flying over Iraqi air space and had the effect of a flea on an elephant.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

Believed in not enough. Prove it and show the proof

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

No freedom of speech from you then.

The US is saying lets go kill Iraqi's.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

Plus it has lot's of oil, getting close to the truth here.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

Getting very close to the truth here.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

A simple answer from some one who has been watching to many Bruce Willis movies.

Iraq is a soveriegn state and like it or not you cannot just invade a country and kill people because you do not like them. You need to prove they are a threat beyond reasonable doubt before you start to execute people.

This will not be a war that will be won in a few weeks of carpet bombing and a quick military land assault. Afghanistan has proved that. If Bushes record on there is anything to go on he should stay out of interrnational politics.

This is not something that will be won in a few weeks, after the defeat of Iraq, which the extremist want, the terrorist will use it as propoganda to recruit kids to do their dirty work. You do not win this kind of war by killing people.

Don't believe me? Look on a map and see where Islam is the major religion and then go to the local "Catholic Irish" bar and ask their opinions on Protestants. That war only went on for a few hundred years. And the Protestants did everything they could to put the Catholics down.

Bush thinks he can open Pandoras box and close it again in 6 months. The man is a fool. That is more frightening than Sadaam.

FATPad · 01-31-2003, 03:05 PM

If the United States is so wrong, why aren't France and Germany sending troops to help defend Iraq?

Why isn't anyone sending troops to help defend Iraq?

Surely the rest of the humanitarian countries who hate to see small, little, helpless countries, trampled mercilessly by tyrannical war machines bent on world domination like the US would never stand by and let an aggressor with no reason invade someone.

digi · 01-31-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
If the United States is so wrong, why aren't France and Germany sending troops to help defend Iraq?

because unlike the usa most other nations have a diffrent policy then "either you are with us or against us".

FATPad · 01-31-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by digi

because unlike the usa most other nations have a diffrent policy then "either you are with us or against us".

So you like to claim the US is invading people for no good reason, but refuse to help the "innocent" country defend themselves from unwarranted aggression?

Geez. That's not nice.

playa · 01-31-2003, 04:02 PM

Listen people you guys need to study history

it's pre WWII all over again

same shit people say now is what they said back then,

the whole time the world believed hitler didn't have no weapons

everyone wanted to "appease" the germans,,

even damn France could of prevented WWII it if they took action

and bout afghanistan,, charly i believe it only took a few hours to kick the taliban out,

we go in now it'll be just like gulf war all over again

kenny · 01-31-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by charly
#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

I think the surrender terms were to the United Nations not the United States.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

Prove it and show the proof

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

They were flying over Iraqi air space and had the effect of a flea on an elephant.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

Believed in not enough. Prove it and show the proof

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

No freedom of speech from you then.

The US is saying lets go kill Iraqi's.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

Plus it has lot's of oil, getting close to the truth here.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

Getting very close to the truth here.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

A simple answer from some one who has been watching to many Bruce Willis movies.

Iraq is a soveriegn state and like it or not you cannot just invade a country and kill people because you do not like them. You need to prove they are a threat beyond reasonable doubt before you start to execute people.

This will not be a war that will be won in a few weeks of carpet bombing and a quick military land assault. Afghanistan has proved that. If Bushes record on there is anything to go on he should stay out of interrnational politics.

This is not something that will be won in a few weeks, after the defeat of Iraq, which the extremist want, the terrorist will use it as propoganda to recruit kids to do their dirty work. You do not win this kind of war by killing people.

Don't believe me? Look on a map and see where Islam is the major religion and then go to the local "Catholic Irish" bar and ask their opinions on Protestants. That war only went on for a few hundred years. And the Protestants did everything they could to put the Catholics down.

Bush thinks he can open Pandoras box and close it again in 6 months. The man is a fool. That is more frightening than Sadaam.

Its Iraqs job to prove they have destroyed those weapons, I dont know about you but I for one dont want a mass murderer dictator having enough bio/chem weapons to kill millions. And BTW what country do you think pays the burden of funding the UN?

Honeyslut · 01-31-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by theking

"Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot", was an amusing book.

Rush is correct about the majority of people who live in Rio Linda..

ChrisH · 01-31-2003, 06:32 PM

If Europe had their way Kuait would still be under Iraqi control, and we'd be waiting for the Sanctions to REALLY kick in.

Like I said yesterday, if the Inspectors were kidnapped today they wouldn't beleive it.

BigFish · 01-31-2003, 07:23 PM

U.N. inspection girls are being toyed around like little bitches in IRAQ: http://msnbc.com/news/867105.asp?0cl=c1

Ridiculous how most of Europe is being sucked in by IRAQ's propaganda war.

theking · 01-31-2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by charly
#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

I think the surrender terms were to the United Nations not the United States.

The United States was, is and has been the enforcer of those terms.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

Prove it and show the proof

It was world wide news during the Clinton years. If you are really interested do your own search.

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

They were flying over Iraqi air space and had the effect of a flea on an elephant.

The conquerer was imposing its will upon the conquered (to prevent the conquered from killing its own people). The USA and Britain should have removed Sadamn when they were first fired upon.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

Believed in not enough. Prove it and show the proof

Read my initial posts. 1441 requires Iraq to prove (it is not the inspectors role to prove, not the UN's role to prove, not the USA's role to prove that they haven't destroyed them) that they destroyed the remaining WMD's that they had previously admitted to having and were left undestroyed when the first round of inspectors left in 1998. They have failed to do this.

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

No freedom of speech from you then.

The US is saying lets go kill Iraqi's.

Pathetic and ridiculous analogy and not worthy of lengthy rebuttal.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

Plus it has lot's of oil, getting close to the truth here.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

Getting very close to the truth here.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

A simple answer from some one who has been watching to many Bruce Willis movies.

All of the above are reaons for war. You may not like the reasons but they are all reasons for war. All of these reasons were outlined in response to a post made by someone that stated there are not any reasons for a war.

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Iraq is a soveriegn state and like it or not you cannot just invade a country and kill people because you do not like them. You need to prove they are a threat beyond reasonable doubt before you start to execute people.

This will not be a war that will be won in a few weeks of carpet bombing and a quick military land assault. Afghanistan has proved that. If Bushes record on there is anything to go on he should stay out of interrnational politics.

This is not something that will be won in a few weeks, after the defeat of Iraq, which the extremist want, the terrorist will use it as propoganda to recruit kids to do their dirty work. You do not win this kind of war by killing people.

Don't believe me? Look on a map and see where Islam is the major religion and then go to the local "Catholic Irish" bar and ask their opinions on Protestants. That war only went on for a few hundred years. And the Protestants did everything they could to put the Catholics down.

Bush thinks he can open Pandoras box and close it again in 6 months. The man is a fool. That is more frightening than Sadaam.

The invasion of Iraq will be over with quicker than the last Gulf War and the USA will have in hand the surrender of Iraq's military and control of the government. That of course is when the real battle begins (the winning of the hearts, minds and developement of a democratic republic) and will be long term.

GTS Mark · 01-31-2003, 07:39 PM

DH

J-Reel · 01-31-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish
U.N. inspection girls are being toyed around like little bitches in IRAQ: http://msnbc.com/news/867105.asp?0cl=c1

Ridiculous how most of Europe is being sucked in by IRAQ's propaganda war.

Sounds like the evidence is there and will be presented.

.:Frog:. · 01-31-2003, 09:14 PM

There is a serious chance Saddam burns more oil this time. Infact if the US is hellbent on taking out Saddam, why wouldn't he burn it?

theking · 01-31-2003, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
There is a serious chance Saddam burns more oil this time. Infact if the US is hellbent on taking out Saddam, why wouldn't he burn it?

I suspect that he will attempt to initiate whatever is at his disposal regardless of its military necessity or viability. That is of course if he has the balls to stand his ground and does not flee the country. There are reports that he had a retrograde plan in place during the first gulf war just in case we decided to invade Iraq.

ChrisH · 02-01-2003, 12:53 AM

HELLBENT................

Babaganoosh · 02-01-2003, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by DrinkingHard

DH

theking · 02-01-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by J-Reel

Sounds like the evidence is there and will be presented.

Unfortunately not to the satisfaction of the haters of the USA.

jimmyf · 02-01-2003, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Feel free to point out any mistatements. I do not listen to Rush, I am not now, nor have I ever been a fan of Rush. By the way Pathfinder no longer has any theories about anything and you for your shitty remark.

For some odd reason Mr.Fiction is under the impression that 90% plus of the USA listens 2 Rush.

DarkJedi · 02-01-2003, 10:16 AM

theking · 02-01-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
For some odd reason Mr.Fiction is under the impression that 90% plus of the USA listens 2 Rush.

He probably has this impression because he listens to it.

Honeyslut · 02-01-2003, 02:09 PM

rush=background noise

DaLord · 02-01-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish
U.N. inspection girls are being toyed around like little bitches in IRAQ: http://msnbc.com/news/867105.asp?0cl=c1

Ridiculous how most of Europe is being sucked in by IRAQ's propaganda war.

13 million people died during WW2.
No fucking wonder why some people here in Europe don't like war in ANY form.

I don't like war either but I'm wise enough not to talk about the situation cause all I know about this upcoming war comes from TV. That means I can't have an objective idea about what to mean or say. But you seems to know a lot about it mister senator or are you just referring to what the Tv stations are telling you?

Mike
User.nix

Webby · 02-01-2003, 04:47 PM

*Bush administration to release tapes that could incriminate Iraq. ?Hold onto your hat,? says one U.S. intelligence official, ?we?ve got it.?*

*LOL* I won't bother holding on to my hat and waiting for the "evidence" - Much was promised many months past and what have we got? Still nothing. Kinda makes ya sick reading all these crap stories leaked from a "US intelligence official" with zero credibility.

Reckon it is long overdue to cough up or shut up

Webby · 02-01-2003, 05:04 PM

"If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America." "What I am condemning is that one power, with a president who has no foresight and who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust. Why does the US behave so arrogantly? Their friend Israel has got weapons of mass destruction. But because it's their ally they won't ask the UN to get rid of them." "It is a tragedy what Bush is doing in Iraq. All he wants is Iraqi oil. We must expose this as much as possible. He is making the greatest mistake of his life by trying to cause carnage." -- Nelson Mandela

"I can't understand how an intelligent man like Tony Blair can listen to a moron like George Bush." - Denis Halliday, UN Chief Humanitarian Co-Ordinator

Some *deep* self-examination, a triple script load of "humilty pills" and "get-what-little-brain-I-have-working" tablets might be in order. It might also be handy if Bush actually served, (yea, "served" - it ain't an easy word in Washington), the people who elected him - and those who didn't on his "non election".

Nuff said!

psyko514 · 02-01-2003, 05:08 PM

i think webby's got the idea.

sure, over throw saddam, but leave iraq alone.
their just a bunch of peons being egged on by their leader for fear of being executed.

why do iraqis harbour ill feelings towards the states? because saddam tell them to.

TurboTrucker · 02-01-2003, 05:23 PM

That's a contradiction. You can't get rid of Saddam without affecting Iraq.

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Originally posted by psyko514
sure, over throw saddam, but leave iraq alone.

TurboTrucker · 02-01-2003, 05:38 PM

"Despite Saddam Hussein's biochemical assaults on Iranian troops and his own Kurdish population in the 1980s, his invasion of neighboring Kuwait in 1990, his repeated threats against Israel and the U.S., and his decades-long commitment to building a secret doomsday arsenal, he now poses little threat to the world, according to Halliday"

Wow this Halliday guy sounds like a real genius.

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Originally posted by Webby

"I can't understand how an intelligent man like Tony Blair can listen to a moron like George Bush." - Denis Halliday, UN Chief Humanitarian Co-Ordinator

Nuff said!

theking · 02-01-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by TurboTrucker
"Despite Saddam Hussein's biochemical assaults on Iranian troops and his own Kurdish population in the 1980s, his invasion of neighboring Kuwait in 1990, his repeated threats against Israel and the U.S., and his decades-long commitment to building a secret doomsday arsenal, he now poses little threat to the world, according to Halliday"

Wow this Halliday guy sounds like a real genius.

Kind of like the genius Webby???

FATPad · 02-01-2003, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by TurboTrucker
"Despite Saddam Hussein's biochemical assaults on Iranian troops and his own Kurdish population in the 1980s, his invasion of neighboring Kuwait in 1990, his repeated threats against Israel and the U.S., and his decades-long commitment to building a secret doomsday arsenal, he now poses little threat to the world, according to Halliday"

Wow this Halliday guy sounds like a real genius.

HAHA

Madball · 02-01-2003, 08:08 PM

Saddam and his entire regime must die. Period.

All 70s hippies are wrong with their peace bullshit. "OH ALL THE CIVILIANS WILL DIE IN WAR". Morons, Saddam is killing people on a daily basis since 25 years. He doesn't give a shit about his own people. He killed 50k innocent Kurds in 1996 with poison gas in Northern Iraq. In 2002, 500k Iraqi children died of malnutrition. "OH BECAUSE OF THE EVIL EMBARGO". Bullshit, cause Saddam invests the little cash he makes in his palaces and his army + weaponry.

Next in que should be those fuckers in Sudan.

Webby · 02-01-2003, 08:12 PM

theking:

*Kind of like the genius Webby???*

Yea? A genius? Mmm.. I did not know this, but hell... thanks, I'll always value your considered thought!

Reckon most of the world must be in my category of "genius" in not accepting the Bush doctrine. That favorite US ally, the UK, is now down to 10% in agreement with Bush.

Webby · 02-01-2003, 08:16 PM

"Next in que should be those fuckers in Sudan."

Fuck me!

01-31-2003, 10:12 AM	#10
Vendot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3,376	Carries a high risk. I read this report in full but I think it understates the risks: http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...fings-Iraq.htm __________________ "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

01-31-2003, 02:57 PM	#19
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country. I think the surrender terms were to the United Nations not the United States. #2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President. Prove it and show the proof #3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces. They were flying over Iraqi air space and had the effect of a flea on an elephant. #4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that. Believed in not enough. Prove it and show the proof #5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA. No freedom of speech from you then. The US is saying lets go kill Iraqi's. #6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions. Plus it has lot's of oil, getting close to the truth here. #7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies. Getting very close to the truth here. #8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next. A simple answer from some one who has been watching to many Bruce Willis movies. Iraq is a soveriegn state and like it or not you cannot just invade a country and kill people because you do not like them. You need to prove they are a threat beyond reasonable doubt before you start to execute people. This will not be a war that will be won in a few weeks of carpet bombing and a quick military land assault. Afghanistan has proved that. If Bushes record on there is anything to go on he should stay out of interrnational politics. This is not something that will be won in a few weeks, after the defeat of Iraq, which the extremist want, the terrorist will use it as propoganda to recruit kids to do their dirty work. You do not win this kind of war by killing people. Don't believe me? Look on a map and see where Islam is the major religion and then go to the local "Catholic Irish" bar and ask their opinions on Protestants. That war only went on for a few hundred years. And the Protestants did everything they could to put the Catholics down. Bush thinks he can open Pandoras box and close it again in 6 months. The man is a fool. That is more frightening than Sadaam. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-31-2003, 03:05 PM	#20
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	If the United States is so wrong, why aren't France and Germany sending troops to help defend Iraq? Why isn't anyone sending troops to help defend Iraq? Surely the rest of the humanitarian countries who hate to see small, little, helpless countries, trampled mercilessly by tyrannical war machines bent on world domination like the US would never stand by and let an aggressor with no reason invade someone. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

01-31-2003, 09:14 PM	#31
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02-01-2003, 02:09 PM	#39
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01-31-2003, 03:03 AM	#2
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01-31-2003, 03:08 AM	#3
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	People just have a very hard time accepting the immense wealth, worldwide power, and miltary might that the United States possesses and wields. Its understandable. When you're the guy on top everyone below you wants to knock you down. I mean heck all we want to do is control the whole planet. Is that asking too much? __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains Last edited by KRL; 01-31-2003 at 03:09 AM..

01-31-2003, 03:48 AM	#5
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01-31-2003, 03:51 AM	#6
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01-31-2003, 04:11 AM	#7
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Pathfinder has a theory that if he starts enough threads about the exact same thing then maybe someone will care about his brainwashed Rush Limbaugh posts. Brainwashing by repetition may work on you, but it doesn't work on everyone. Keep trying, though.

01-31-2003, 01:17 PM	#16
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	I still don't believe you're not Pathfinder, but I agree with you here. I can't wait for the day they start the invasion, the sooner the better.

01-31-2003, 01:29 PM	#17
slackor Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 101	Ask Bush, all I see on the news is "time is running out" and "enough is enough" yet Bush does nothing....

01-31-2003, 01:30 PM	#18
Hawkeye Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,291	When Iraq actually attacks the United States, only then will war be justified, mmmmkay?

01-31-2003, 04:02 PM	#23
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	Listen people you guys need to study history it's pre WWII all over again same shit people say now is what they said back then, the whole time the world believed hitler didn't have no weapons everyone wanted to "appease" the germans,, even damn France could of prevented WWII it if they took action and bout afghanistan,, charly i believe it only took a few hours to kick the taliban out, we go in now it'll be just like gulf war all over again

01-31-2003, 06:32 PM	#26
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	If Europe had their way Kuait would still be under Iraqi control, and we'd be waiting for the Sanctions to REALLY kick in. Like I said yesterday, if the Inspectors were kidnapped today they wouldn't beleive it.

01-31-2003, 07:23 PM	#27
BigFish Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,159	U.N. inspection girls are being toyed around like little bitches in IRAQ: http://msnbc.com/news/867105.asp?0cl=c1 Ridiculous how most of Europe is being sucked in by IRAQ's propaganda war.

01-31-2003, 07:39 PM	#29
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	DH

02-01-2003, 12:53 AM	#33
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	HELLBENT................

02-01-2003, 10:16 AM	#37
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02-01-2003, 04:47 PM	#41
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Bush administration to release tapes that could incriminate Iraq. ?Hold onto your hat,? says one U.S. intelligence official, ?we?ve got it.? LOL I won't bother holding on to my hat and waiting for the "evidence" - Much was promised many months past and what have we got? Still nothing. Kinda makes ya sick reading all these crap stories leaked from a "US intelligence official" with zero credibility. Reckon it is long overdue to cough up or shut up

02-01-2003, 05:04 PM	#42
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	"If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America." "What I am condemning is that one power, with a president who has no foresight and who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust. Why does the US behave so arrogantly? Their friend Israel has got weapons of mass destruction. But because it's their ally they won't ask the UN to get rid of them." "It is a tragedy what Bush is doing in Iraq. All he wants is Iraqi oil. We must expose this as much as possible. He is making the greatest mistake of his life by trying to cause carnage." -- Nelson Mandela "I can't understand how an intelligent man like Tony Blair can listen to a moron like George Bush." - Denis Halliday, UN Chief Humanitarian Co-Ordinator Some deep self-examination, a triple script load of "humilty pills" and "get-what-little-brain-I-have-working" tablets might be in order. It might also be handy if Bush actually served, (yea, "served" - it ain't an easy word in Washington), the people who elected him - and those who didn't on his "non election". Nuff said!

02-01-2003, 05:08 PM	#43
psyko514 See sig. Join Epic Cash. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec. ICQ: 214702014 Posts: 22,366	i think webby's got the idea. sure, over throw saddam, but leave iraq alone. their just a bunch of peons being egged on by their leader for fear of being executed. why do iraqis harbour ill feelings towards the states? because saddam tell them to. __________________ Bad Girl Bucks - 50% Revshare through CCBill. Promote BrandyDDD, Pixie's Pillows, Action Allie and more! Phoenix Forum Pics \| Webmaster Access Montreal pics email: psyko514(a)gmail.com \| icq: 214-702-014

02-01-2003, 08:08 PM	#48
Madball Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 748	Saddam and his entire regime must die. Period. All 70s hippies are wrong with their peace bullshit. "OH ALL THE CIVILIANS WILL DIE IN WAR". Morons, Saddam is killing people on a daily basis since 25 years. He doesn't give a shit about his own people. He killed 50k innocent Kurds in 1996 with poison gas in Northern Iraq. In 2002, 500k Iraqi children died of malnutrition. "OH BECAUSE OF THE EVIL EMBARGO". Bullshit, cause Saddam invests the little cash he makes in his palaces and his army + weaponry. Next in que should be those fuckers in Sudan.

02-01-2003, 08:12 PM	#49
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	theking: Kind of like the genius Webby??? Yea? A genius? Mmm.. I did not know this, but hell... thanks, I'll always value your considered thought! Reckon most of the world must be in my category of "genius" in not accepting the Bush doctrine. That favorite US ally, the UK, is now down to 10% in agreement with Bush.

02-01-2003, 08:16 PM	#50
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	"Next in que should be those fuckers in Sudan." Fuck me!