New sponsors: 15 sales first day, 3 the next days.. Weirddd - GoFuckYourself.com

Jack Sparrow · 09-08-2011, 07:24 PM

This happens to me a lot and might happen to more of you out there.

I find a new program to promote (new for me, not new in this biz), i send traffic to it and get 15 sales that very first day.

Then all of a sudden the sales drop. 2nd day 3 sales, 3rd day 3 sales and so on.

Or: 17 sales first day, 18 sales second day, then 4, 3, 3 and so on.

Isnt it really weird that the same traffic, same geo, same amount all of a sudden drops after 1-2 days?

Its almost like someone goes like "damn lets squeeze this one out real fast so we can make a nice profit"..

mattz · 09-08-2011, 07:28 PM

yeah as soon as the sponsors see that they turn up the shave percent ;)

TeenCat · 09-08-2011, 07:40 PM

maybe most of your paying traffic are returning visitors who visit your site daily or bi daily so they buy first days and then its some sale here some there?

amateurcanada · 09-08-2011, 08:42 PM

I agree on believing its return visitors.. We suffer the same disease here. Also you will notice that sales do infact drop after time due to cookie expiration dates set by sponsors.. some are 1 day, 7, 30, indefinate so ask to if you want to be really on the money ;)

plsureking · 09-08-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

maybe most of your paying traffic are returning visitors who visit your site daily or bi daily so they buy first days and then its some sale here some there?

the most likely scenario..

Jack Sparrow · 09-08-2011, 08:53 PM

Then how come every single time i do this they start buying.
Returning visitors buying new mberships to different sites on a daily basis?

BIGTYMER · 09-08-2011, 09:03 PM

Reverse shave.

FlowerKid · 09-08-2011, 09:54 PM

Most customers want to see something new every time they visit a site.

Lace · 09-08-2011, 10:32 PM

You ever get my messages, Frisky?

DBS.US · 09-08-2011, 10:38 PM

I get the same thing in my mainstream programs.

icymelon · 09-08-2011, 10:46 PM

yes your book markers will buy on new site. they come back daily. if they where interested they bought already. on day 2 or 3 or 4 they aren't going to become more interested

Jakez · 09-09-2011, 02:31 AM

Not sure where you traffic comes from or how you handle it, but maybe the surge of sudden sales are because your traffic is seeing something new and after a few days those most interested have already signed up?

My Pimp · 09-09-2011, 02:32 AM

All your visitors saw it. Those that were interested bought a membership. Then you showed them another program. Those that were not interested in the first one, were
interested in the second program. ... You do not show them the same program the whole month. If they are not interested in the first one, then you show them another one.

wehateporn · 09-09-2011, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by My Pimp

All your visitors saw it. Those that were interested bought a membership. Then you showed them another program. Those that were not interested in the first one, were
interested in the second program. ... You do not show them the same program the whole month. If they are not interested in the first one, then you show them another one.

This is it

Anyone who has regular visitors will notice this. For example, if I change my side adverts, I notice a huge increase in clicking for a few days, then it gradually goes down each day, until I renew them again. The first time you add a new sponsor, especially if it's one that your rivals don't promote, lots of the surfers will be seeing it for the first time so are more likely to sign up.

seeandsee · 09-09-2011, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

This is it

Anyone who has regular visitors will notice this. For example, if I change my side adverts, I notice a huge increase in clicking for a few days, then it gradually goes down each day, until I renew them again. The first time you add a new sponsor, especially if it's one that your rivals don't promote, lots of the surfers will be seeing it for the first time so are more likely to sign up.

thanks for sharing this, made me think and i its very possible a problem frisky was writing about

Jack Sparrow · 09-09-2011, 02:59 AM

What about a full redirect on mobile traffic?

wehateporn · 09-09-2011, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

thanks for sharing this, made me think and i its very possible a problem frisky was writing about

When I first started, I had over 50 sponsors, I then started to cut them down to the ones that convert best, this worked very well and profits increased, but the danger is, once you get down to less than 5 sponsors, the surfers get used to them all, the variety is gone from your site. This is where the 6th to 25th best sponsors come in, though we shouldn't send them as much traffic as the 1st to 5th best, they are also needed as part of the recipe for success. It is vital that sites do not become predictable.

I also believe in doing a few not for profit updates, this allows you to add something quite different to your other updates ensuring your site isn't predictable and hence giving surfers more reason to return

wehateporn · 09-09-2011, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

What about a full redirect on mobile traffic?

I would say to rotate it

wehateporn · 09-09-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

What about a full redirect on mobile traffic?

What I would do is create a simple mobile page for your site; a menu of different mobile sponsor for the surfer to choose from. That way the surfer sees that your site still has a purpose on mobile, encouraging them not to bypass it next time around

fris · 09-09-2011, 01:53 PM

thats why its best not to promote a popular program like brazzers, nastydollars, etc.

odds are if you have good converting traffic, and they do buy memberships on a regular basis, its best to promote something less popular.

AmeliaG · 09-09-2011, 01:56 PM

What everyone else says. This is why new sponsors are so crucial for sites which have a consistent following.

Paper_Amar · 09-09-2011, 02:48 PM

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jack - hit me up when you have a second - we have a ton of new sites coming out and would work with you one on one to make sure that your ratios stay within the same range.
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Godsmack · 09-09-2011, 03:02 PM

they are "tweaking sales"

But i would say it's bookies that find something fresh and there will be a sales increase.. do it enough times and you will make bank ;-)

The Porn Nerd · 09-09-2011, 03:11 PM

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fris · 09-09-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What everyone else says. This is why new sponsors are so crucial for sites which have a consistent following.

exactly, as soon as sales start to slow down, i usally swap them out with another program or paysite in the same niche.

Jack Sparrow · 09-12-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paper_Amar

<spamish>

jack - hit me up when you have a second - we have a ton of new sites coming out and would work with you one on one to make sure that your ratios stay within the same range.
Amar -447542128

</spamish>

Feel free to contact me, you know where to find me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

thats why its best not to promote a popular program like brazzers, nastydollars, etc.

odds are if you have good converting traffic, and they do buy memberships on a regular basis, its best to promote something less popular.

You are right, thing is i dont trust to many new sponsors. I do try and rotate new sites of existing sponsors i trust though.

alf6300 · 09-12-2011, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

You are right, thing is i dont trust to many new sponsors.

hey Jack
I totally understand the concern - but if the new sponsor is doing payouts through a long established firm like ccbill or verotel, how can you risk to be screwed? or are there other concerns?

(it's a totally open question - i'm really interested to know, as it may help us getting more affiliates for our program)

Nicky · 09-12-2011, 06:31 AM

Everyone has already answered adequately

sojproductions · 09-12-2011, 06:44 AM

add a new sponsor daily and enjoy 15 per day

Lykos · 09-12-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mattz

yeah as soon as the sponsors see that they turn up the shave percent ;)

Hmmm someone would do that ?

signupdamnit · 09-12-2011, 08:41 AM

I've had this happen too. It's somewhat normal except it should usually be more like

Day 1 - 15 sales
Day 2 - 6 sales
Day 3 - 4 sales
Day 4 - 3 sales

Going from 15 to 3 is strange but entirely possible. As people have said it's because most of your visitors would have already seen it the first time and would have bought then. If you have any doubts and are going to be pushing some volume then do a unannounced test sign up.

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Originally Posted by alf6300

hey Jack
I totally understand the concern - but if the new sponsor is doing payouts through a long established firm like ccbill or verotel, how can you risk to be screwed? or are there other concerns?

(it's a totally open question - i'm really interested to know, as it may help us getting more affiliates for our program)

It's still possible to shave on ccbill or verotel. I've personally seen it happen quite a few times using different methods. It's just that it's easier to detect and you have a few things less to worry about. Examples include changing the duration for which the affiliate gets rebills, hard coding the affiliate ID to be a house code, turning off grouping or the cascade credit temporarily, switching around sub-account ID, etc. CCBill could potentially make all of these more easily detectable but has not yet done so except for with the rebill situation.

alf6300 · 09-12-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's still possible to shave on ccbill or verotel. I've personally seen it happen quite a few times using different methods. It's just that it's easier to detect and you have a few things less to worry about. Examples include changing the duration for which the affiliate gets rebills, hard coding the affiliate ID to be a house code, turning off grouping or the cascade credit temporarily, switching around sub-account ID, etc. CCBill could potentially make all of these more easily detectable but has not yet done so except for with the rebill situation.

Yep, there are ways for a sponsor to cheat, if they want to, no matter what. However, speaking from a sponsor's point of view, I have myself NO interest at this stage in doing that.

Think about it: as a startup we are trying to get as many affiliates as possible, and work with them for the long run. It is in our interest to show the best possible results in terms of conversions and money for the affiliates.

Honestly, at this stage, I would rather account for a couple of sales more rather than a couple of sales less, for each webmaster. (I would "cheat the other way round", if possible :-) )

Of course it may be different once you have plenty of affiliates, and shaving may mean a million dollar difference on a balance sheet. It then becomes a matter of business ethics: but as an ambitious startup, non-shaving is primarily a matter of vital business interest.

So an unconventional proposal that comes to my mind:
-->if you promote my program, I will "open up" the code. I will let you behind the scenes, and prove that as far as we are concerned everything is squeaky clean.
Same proposal is valid for other reputable webmasters who want to take it.

I am sure my sysadmin will kill me for this, and I am not sure how many sponsors would be willing to do the same - but we'll find a way to do it without jeopardizing security and intellectual property.

Perhaps if this becomes a widespread practice, the clean part of the industry will benefit from it.

interested to take it?

Rami · 09-16-2011, 03:00 AM

Jack, been trying to contact you on ICQ/AIM for quite some time.
Zou je me aub even kunnen replyen mbt het aankopen van traffiek?

rastan · 09-16-2011, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by amateurcanada

I agree on believing its return visitors.. We suffer the same disease here. Also you will notice that sales do infact drop after time due to cookie expiration dates set by sponsors.. some are 1 day, 7, 30, indefinate so ask to if you want to be really on the money ;)

I've got 90 days on http://britsexcash.com

grumpy · 09-16-2011, 07:25 AM

you are only right if you have fresh surfers every day.

Paper_Amar · 09-16-2011, 08:05 AM

[QUOTE=Jack Sparrow;18420980]Feel free to contact me, you know where to find me.

Left you an icq!

Jarmusch · 09-16-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mattz

yeah as soon as the sponsors see that they turn up the shave percent ;)

BS.

All program owners in this industry are top-notch, stand-up guys. They would never do something like that.

ilnjscb · 09-16-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by alf6300

Yep, there are ways for a sponsor to cheat, if they want to, no matter what. However, speaking from a sponsor's point of view, I have myself NO interest at this stage in doing that.

Think about it: as a startup we are trying to get as many affiliates as possible, and work with them for the long run. It is in our interest to show the best possible results in terms of conversions and money for the affiliates.

Honestly, at this stage, I would rather account for a couple of sales more rather than a couple of sales less, for each webmaster. (I would "cheat the other way round", if possible :-) )

Of course it may be different once you have plenty of affiliates, and shaving may mean a million dollar difference on a balance sheet. It then becomes a matter of business ethics: but as an ambitious startup, non-shaving is primarily a matter of vital business interest.

So an unconventional proposal that comes to my mind:
-->if you promote my program, I will "open up" the code. I will let you behind the scenes, and prove that as far as we are concerned everything is squeaky clean.
Same proposal is valid for other reputable webmasters who want to take it.

I am sure my sysadmin will kill me for this, and I am not sure how many sponsors would be willing to do the same - but we'll find a way to do it without jeopardizing security and intellectual property.

Perhaps if this becomes a widespread practice, the clean part of the industry will benefit from it.

interested to take it?

Thats a good idea - frankly, these quotes make my head swim. How the hell do you retain all this stuff? It would be good to have extra eyes on your process if they are trustworthy.

09-08-2011, 07:24 PM	#1
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	New sponsors: 15 sales first day, 3 the next days.. Weirddd This happens to me a lot and might happen to more of you out there. I find a new program to promote (new for me, not new in this biz), i send traffic to it and get 15 sales that very first day. Then all of a sudden the sales drop. 2nd day 3 sales, 3rd day 3 sales and so on. Or: 17 sales first day, 18 sales second day, then 4, 3, 3 and so on. Isnt it really weird that the same traffic, same geo, same amount all of a sudden drops after 1-2 days? Its almost like someone goes like "damn lets squeeze this one out real fast so we can make a nice profit"..

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