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  • Deputy Chief Command
    Deputy Chief Command
    • Nov 2005
    • 4482
    #51
    Originally posted by will76
    never heard of that before but then I never paid attention to a .nl domain nor did I think for a second that all tld's wouldn't work the exact same way. Why would they never expire? Doesn't make sense. Why would that be any different than any other domains, where you don't renew it goes back to the public.
    They don't automatically expire. The registar has to fill out some paperwork to have a domain cancelled. Don't ask me why it is like that, all I know that it is like that.

    But of course, you dont have to believe me , just look up the whois for any .NL domain and try and see if you can find an expiration date listed somewhere. You wont be able to find one , because they dont have one.

    Originally posted by will76
    If what you said is true, then I would just become buddy buddy with the register, not pay for renews and have them opt not to turn my domain back in and I would never have to pay again... seems like a way to cheat the system and I would think ICANN has that shit shut down tight.
    What I said is true, but is not as simplistic as you seem to assume. It is not because you are not paying for your renewals that nobody else is. The registrar still has to pay for it. So many dutch registrars are real assholes. They would let you register a domain, and then put in some little wording somewhere that it auto-renews UNLESS you indicate ONE MONTH before your one year is up that you dont want it anymore.


    Originally posted by will76

    Assuming the register made a mistake, what part of buying someone else's domain that should never been sold to you in the first place is considered " business". What business is done in buying stolen property... Again assuming that is the case since the OP failed to fill in all the details, especially if .nl has some wacky rules with not paying.
    you are indeed assuming , unless you know the full details your speculation on this subject is not really relevant to this situation

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      • will76
        Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
        • May 2003
        • 18037
        #52
        Originally posted by Deputy Chief Command

        you are indeed assuming , unless you know the full details your speculation on this subject is not really relevant to this situation
        then so are you and everyone else in thread since the op is the only one with the full details...


        who knew the dutch .nl tld was so ass backwards.
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          • Deputy Chief Command
            Deputy Chief Command
            • Nov 2005
            • 4482
            #53
            Originally posted by will76
            then so are you and everyone else in thread since the op is the only one with the full details...


            who knew the dutch .nl tld was so ass backwards.
            don't involve me in your assumptions I was merely commenting that you have no way of knowing if the previous owner was paying the yearly registration fees like you stated

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              • twistyneck
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jan 2002
                • 4660
                #54
                Originally posted by buildingfutures

                Now, I'm a very ethical and standup guy,
                If this is the case then why are even bothering to ask? Don't be a dick.

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                  • buildingfutures
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 796
                    #55
                    Thanks for all the feedback guys. Sorry I left you hanging with too many questions, I obviously didn't explain the situation good enough.

                    Here are the exact details:
                    - There is a restaurant chain called Name. Name is a generic word.
                    - They own the domain RestarauntName.nl
                    - I eat there a lot so I wondered one day who owns Name.nl
                    - Name.nl was owned by, what seemed like a studygroup or some frat house. A horrible looking site with just photos on it. It seemed like the site hadn't been updated since 2007/2008
                    - The previous owner, who mailed me yesterday, claims to be a non-profit organization. There's no way though that previous site was a non-profit organization site.
                    - Seeing as the domain looked inactive for a few years I mailed the host. It's the only thing that showed up on the Whois, the name of the host. So I mailed them asking to forward my interest in the domain to the current owner.
                    - That's when they mailed back and said they could transfer the domain.

                    Now the host in question isn't a small time teenage boy living in an attic with his 5 servers. It's a pretty solid and well-established company, so a complete amateur fuck up "looks" out of the question to me.

                    I'm about to get in touch with them to see if they really were the ones to fuck it up. If it's on them, I'll return the domain. If he made a mistake, it's his loss.

                    So in short, the restaurant owners have nothing to do with the previous domain and free dinners for life are never going to happen
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                      • buildingfutures
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 796
                        #56
                        The process of obtaining the domain took quite some time aswell. Plenty of time for them to realize they were making a mistake. Took about 2 weeks, had to sign contracts for SIDN and stuff..
                        -Guy
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                          • Deputy Chief Command
                            Deputy Chief Command
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 4482
                            #57
                            Originally posted by buildingfutures
                            The process of obtaining the domain took quite some time aswell. Plenty of time for them to realize they were making a mistake. Took about 2 weeks, had to sign contracts for SIDN and stuff..
                            I think most likely the previous owners were not actively paying renewal fees, and thus the registrar took hold of it. But with the SIDN rules being so stupid you have to make an active effort to get a domain to be deleted they probably just never got around to it. Just keep the domain!

                            especially if the registrar that handed it over to you is a big time operation who know the rules well

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                              • Iron Mike
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 460
                                #58
                                Get a lawyer

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                                  • split_joel
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2005
                                    • 2270
                                    #59
                                    Question? Are you so in need for money that the few extra bucks you make off this domain is that important? Host rob people all the time of there domains, and for idiot reasons to. Lets say even if the domain expired, lets also say most likely hi host never informed him as his old site was still up was it not?

                                    Honestly the fact you are even asking this question esp gfy makes me think that you are either unethical, or are about to cross that line between morality and a peaceful soul, or greed, knowing you will do anything, even sell out your own mother to make a quick buck

                                    I think we have all met these people. Now ask yourself which one is happier. Give the poor guy his domain back.
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                                      • Deputy Chief Command
                                        Deputy Chief Command
                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 4482
                                        #60

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                                          • My Pimp
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2003
                                            • 1201
                                            #61
                                            You should be careful.

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                                              • buildingfutures
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2010
                                                • 796
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by split_joel
                                                Question? Are you so in need for money that the few extra bucks you make off this domain is that important? Host rob people all the time of there domains, and for idiot reasons to. Lets say even if the domain expired, lets also say most likely hi host never informed him as his old site was still up was it not?

                                                Honestly the fact you are even asking this question esp gfy makes me think that you are either unethical, or are about to cross that line between morality and a peaceful soul, or greed, knowing you will do anything, even sell out your own mother to make a quick buck

                                                I think we have all met these people. Now ask yourself which one is happier. Give the poor guy his domain back.
                                                I find it funny a lot of people say you're an idiot for asking certain questions on GFY. While I agree there's a lot of trolls and what not on here, there's a TON of knowledge aswell. You'd better start using it wisely.

                                                I'm not after a quick buck (nor do I need it ) or trying to screw him over. What I'm trying to do is not getting screwed over myself. If he hasn't paid for his domain for a year for example, that really is his own dumb fault 100%. If he now plays the victim card on me and blaming the host (lying), that doesn't work well with me.

                                                If he truly got screwed over by the host, I won't hesitate and give 'his' domain back instantly. I'm still waiting for a reply from them to see what happened. I just don't want to get lied to, I can't stand that.
                                                -Guy
                                                Love Amateurs
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                                                  • buildingfutures
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2010
                                                    • 796
                                                    #63
                                                    I'm confused as hell. The host emailed me saying the previous owner cancelled the domain with them.
                                                    -Guy
                                                    Love Amateurs
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                                                      • wehateporn
                                                        Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                        • 27176
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by buildingfutures
                                                        I find it funny a lot of people say you're an idiot for asking certain questions on GFY. While I agree there's a lot of trolls and what not on here, there's a TON of knowledge aswell. You'd better start using it wisely.

                                                        I'm not after a quick buck (nor do I need it ) or trying to screw him over. What I'm trying to do is not getting screwed over myself. If he hasn't paid for his domain for a year for example, that really is his own dumb fault 100%. If he now plays the victim card on me and blaming the host (lying), that doesn't work well with me.

                                                        If he truly got screwed over by the host, I won't hesitate and give 'his' domain back instantly. I'm still waiting for a reply from them to see what happened. I just don't want to get lied to, I can't stand that.
                                                        I'm with you on this Guy!

                                                        It's a matter of finding out if this chap is a liar trying to scam you or someone who has been screwed over by his host.

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                                                          • Michael O
                                                            More Cowbell
                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                            • 10607
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by buildingfutures
                                                            I'm confused as hell. The host emailed me saying the previous owner cancelled the domain with them.
                                                            Are you sure the guy emailing you were the rightful owner?
                                                            Ask the host if the previous owner were the guy emailing you since there are discrepancies in his story maybe it were someone like you thinking about the domain but hadn't thought of emailing the host.

                                                            If its a well run host they will not screw up things like this and make sure its a proper transfer with docs and all.
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                                                              • Jel
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2007
                                                                • 6904
                                                                #66
                                                                The question isn't money v ethics then (ethics should ALWAYS be the winner there, though seems like you are of the same opinion anyway), which is why you're getting some of the responses you are.

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                                                                  • NewNick
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Mar 2009
                                                                    • 7229
                                                                    #67
                                                                    This decision should be based on the amount of ethical consideration that you can afford.
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                                                                      • Lykos
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                        • 31032
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Would return a domain...
                                                                        If u sow from start it's someone u could be ethic,give them a call and tell them to renew.
                                                                        My 2 cents.

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                                                                          • Marie
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 3024
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but if you set the price to a low amount, for example 750 eu, they might just pay and skip all the legal bullshit. If they do have a trademark, you're going to lose it anyway.
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                                                                              • buildingfutures
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Dec 2010
                                                                                • 796
                                                                                #70
                                                                                There's no trademark Marie Host said the previous owner cancelled the domain, I'm waiting for proof now.
                                                                                -Guy
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                                                                                  • CaptainHowdy
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                    • 94727
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Still talking about ethics?? Come on, porn people ...

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                                                                                      • will76
                                                                                        Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                        • 18037
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by buildingfutures
                                                                                        Thanks for all the feedback guys. Sorry I left you hanging with too many questions, I obviously didn't explain the situation good enough.

                                                                                        Here are the exact details:
                                                                                        - There is a restaurant chain called Name. Name is a generic word.
                                                                                        - They own the domain RestarauntName.nl
                                                                                        - I eat there a lot so I wondered one day who owns Name.nl
                                                                                        - Name.nl was owned by, what seemed like a studygroup or some frat house. A horrible looking site with just photos on it. It seemed like the site hadn't been updated since 2007/2008
                                                                                        - The previous owner, who mailed me yesterday, claims to be a non-profit organization. There's no way though that previous site was a non-profit organization site.
                                                                                        - Seeing as the domain looked inactive for a few years I mailed the host. It's the only thing that showed up on the Whois, the name of the host. So I mailed them asking to forward my interest in the domain to the current owner.
                                                                                        - That's when they mailed back and said they could transfer the domain.

                                                                                        Now the host in question isn't a small time teenage boy living in an attic with his 5 servers. It's a pretty solid and well-established company, so a complete amateur fuck up "looks" out of the question to me.

                                                                                        I'm about to get in touch with them to see if they really were the ones to fuck it up. If it's on them, I'll return the domain. If he made a mistake, it's his loss.

                                                                                        So in short, the restaurant owners have nothing to do with the previous domain and free dinners for life are never going to happen
                                                                                        Now knowing that you dutch do things ass backwards with your .nl domains... it's pretty simple and comes down to one question. Was it really expired, if yes then do whatever you want with the domain. If it wasn't expired and the register made a mistake then you would be better off giving it back. Apparently you guys complicate domains so much you make it sound like you couldn't even tell if it was expired??
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                                                                                          • _Richard_
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                                                            • 30991
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by buildingfutures
                                                                                            There's no trademark Marie Host said the previous owner cancelled the domain, I'm waiting for proof now.
                                                                                            whole thing sounds like bs.. did the previous owner say how the host 'screwed up'?

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                                                                                              • porno jew
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Nov 2006
                                                                                                • 10166
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by buildingfutures
                                                                                                I'm confused as hell. The host emailed me saying the previous owner cancelled the domain with them.
                                                                                                like i said. keep the domain.

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