now you're just bragging :winkwink:

no, the month is pretty bad (and i could send the same traffic elsewhere)

I know, I hear you. I'm experimenting to see what works and where to send traffic and hopefully get some nibbles with this traffic.

It is odd that it seems like CCBILL flips a sales switch. :321GFY

Your joking right? You have had a HUGE decline in form submissions yet you display the wrong currency to 95% of the population? :Oh crap

The curious thing I am seeing in my affiliate stats (sites that I am an affiliate of) is that this is the first month ever where the initial sales are higher than rebills.

Anyone else seeing something off with their rebill ratio?

Yes I have the same: both on NATS + CCBill.
I lost a lot of rebills on a very good retention NATS site.

It depends on how you calculate your stats.

Are you just looking at a customer that has a recurring subscription and cancels or are you looking also at the customer that has a recurring subscription and cancels, then manual renews by signing up again the same month or within 30 days?

On a side note, I'm often surprised at how many people pay my non recurring subscription fee and manually renew EVERY month.

What Billing does these NATS sites use???

once again, that problem was just on one of our sites, as i told you before. And, again, thanks a lot for the tip :)

So true... adding a non recurring option was the best thing we ever did...it's probably because people don't trust the automatic rebilling option

off your topic, but it raises a question, my sale to rebill ratio is considerably higher with epoch than ccbill, 40% will rebill a second month with ccbill, but closer to 70% will rebill with epoch, anyone have similar results who process those 2?

I wonder if ccbill sends out a reminder 'you're about to be rebilled' and epoch doesn't??

this week is slightly better

Epoch, NBNative, GXB are most common for me, usually never CCBill

Really? I do not have any idea. I use this sponsor for about 3-4 years and I always have a whole lot of rebillers. Now it seems I lost a whole ot of them.
A normal average month is 22 rebills. This month: 6 (I had 3 rebills today).
A normal month is 12-15 joins. This month: 2
Today it is the 24th: that means 1:8000 (uniques).

I have fixed these CCBill denial email problems by using Sliiing along with CCBill.

It has increased my sales number by around 10% per month

CCBill: Since thurday late afternoon till now it is indeed slightly better... I am now at 75-80% of normal. It is really better but we can''t say it's rocking!

NATS: slightly better, but it will not save my month.

Same here! About 75% normal. Hopefully this trend will continue.

I'm sorry... you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about nor how to make money. You might think that I am attacking you but that is not true... you actually have no idea what the fuck you are doing.

good luck to your non-recurring, non geo/currency program.

I doubt anyone was born perfect and with all the knowledge in his brain, so i have no problems to say that i need to lear more.

But in this matter...could you explain my why it's a bad idea to have one non recurring option among all the recurring ones? Numbers (small, yeah) tells us that we have lots of people using the non recurring and then join again...please, switch on a bit of light inside my brain :)

Have you noticed a pickup in the last few days since your update?

Ok. First things first. All ccbill signup pages work the same. Please explain how only 1 site had a geo currency display problem? You said earlier that you tried to show euros only on 1 site because it was not displaying euros to europeans. So that issue only happened on 1 site but not the rest of your sites? Again, all ccbill forms are standardized so if on one, problem was on all of them. Problem, I suppose, is instead of showing dollars to europeans, your showing euros to americans... Right?

Regarding non-recurring, the money is in recurring subscriptions. So maybe use some intuition and offer a non-recurring option as a secondary option. User clicks to ccbill join page and sees only recurring options, he/she says fuck that and X's out, that's when you offer the non-recurring option.

Hope that helps.

And, to finalize my point, did you read Mr. Peabody's bitch thread?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1040...hlight=peabody

Exactly the same problem as you have. If you read that thread closely you will find somebody who actually posted a solution... up to you to you now.

This is the last time I will give free advice on how to make interwebs money :2 cents:

CCBILL open today Tuesday 10/11/11 ?

I'm trying to call 888.736.6474

And I'm getting a fast busy signal

I called just now and I dont have any issues with getting through

Ratios have been good here the past 2 weeks. But I don't push much these days.

I agree with the sales "switch" I've often seen periods of nothing then all of a sudden BOOM! bunch of sales come in one go.

I don't care too much these days, ccbill is just beer money :)

yes, I got through now also, but the number on the front page didn't seem to work for me

The 888-736-6474 number above is primarily for our Consumer Support department which at times does have a heavy call volume. The best number in which to directly reach our Client Support department is 1-800-510-2859. Our Client Support department rarely has any wait time. You can also contact us via live chat, and email [email protected]

0: 124,876 this year.

At least you're breaking even, my sponsors have fined me for not sending enough sales :upsidedow

It was slightly better during my last update till last weekend (weekend of October 8 and 9). Monday October 11 was OK but then since Tuesday October 11 my sales went down again.

The NATS site with rebills has the same issues.

this week:
14600 hits, 1 trial, 1 single, 2 recurring

i'm bored.... :|

Your ass must really hurt, having pulled a massive number like that out of it and all...

My ony problem with CCBill is that my ratios are pretty much the same now as they were back in 1999/2000.

Maybe CCBill gives preferential treatment to clients who have been promoting their products for over a decade? I dunno... Why don't you wrap some tinfoil around your head and examine the situation in a gamma-ray-free environment?

Couldn't hurt.

update:

0: 124,877 this year

September 1 to October 15, this year:

1:363.8 1:120.6

Raw clicks, Unique clicks. This also includes "Affiliates without Sales" checked - and I have a bunch of affiliates without sales. This sample includes well over 100 sales and rebills (rebills are not included in the sales ratio, btw... it only includes initial sales...) Maybe 100+ sales per week. I'm not saying...

If I exclude the affiliates that don't sell for me, this my CCBill ratio - Sept. 1 to Oct. 15:

1:289.3 1:109.7 - Raw - Unique.

I can't complain. All I CAN do is continue to find CCBill sites that suit my traffic. Everyone abandon ship - I'll pick up the slack.

(I tried to check stats for 2001 as a comparison, but I only get a list of total sales - no ratios.)

wazzup guys ?
I think i had 2 chargebacks on rebills, than no more sales this month.
Right now i have a loss of $22 with 2000 hits/days

:thumbsup Someone didn't find out that you're kidding...

I'm doing ok with CCbill, I found no negative changes within the past few months and I like their professional support (I speak for myself).

My CCBILL sales seems to come in waves.. and I'm not talking about the every 15 minute emails.. I track my sales realtime, and still they very very often come in waves..

I can have 3 hours without a single sale and then 4 sales within 5 minutes.. happens all the time.

bump for this thread...

I've done similar. I send stuff there for shits and giggles every few years but holy fuck. Then the idiots in these threads licking their ass no matter what anyone says. You idiots don't think we know our own traffic enough to know when conversions are out of whack in a way that is NOT RIGHT?

:1orglaugh

something is not far from ridiculous if you compare my stats with my stats of the previous months, seriously... (and even without this double chargeback+ refund that i have to pay because there is a hole in their process)

and other people claim that their stats are ok in the same time...

As of November 22nd my CCBill stats for this month are neck and neck with my "Best Month Ever" stats from August. :2 cents:

When did the double chargeback occur in relation to the dry spell?

last few days incredibly low sales sponsor-wide

From 1:2000 average to 1:6000 and worse

I prefer ccbill size I'm a small fish. We all know they pay u no matter what and on time. I am always looking for new ccbill sponsors and te first thing I do is a search. 9 times out of 10 the top results are from torrents - not tubes. My advice is for people to stop crying about sales and start filing copyright claims. I bet u get a shit ton more sales once your full site rips aren't appearing in the top 10 google searches. But that wouldtake actual work instead of complaining so I don't see that happening any time soon.

I have seen a the increase in ratios the last couple of months myself. my ratios are bad.. but no were near that level.

we designed 10 new tours.. and a/b tested everyone.. and then created 3 new tours based off the winner..

however.. I will tell you this.. What had made a HUGE fucking difference more than anything is NATS tracking..

we use nats to do the tracking.. and ccbill to do the payout and this mix seem to help keep our affiliate rates much more normal ( under 1:2000 for solo girls) and around 1:3000 for multi girl sites..

i have just had all types of problems with ccbill tracking.. so I designed my own tracking.. and just redirecting the traffic... i lost traffic like 20% to 80% of the time.. without knowing why.. You can ask a lot of webmaster who switch from ccbill to nats.. they end up paying out a lot more because nats tracking in so much better..

my personal nats / ccbill account for this month
1:2550 to american kittens ( with over 10 sales) and 100% of that traffic is from the hun.. ( it is only place i submit to.. because it is easy and my galleries are clean)

1:2500 of hun traffic is really good I think.. ( it didn't cost me a dime and I made around 1,700 over the last 30 days.)

It is something to think about.. finding programs that use Nats and CCbill, I know there isn't a lot of them.. but we are one of the few..

Im will to help most affiliate webmaster with reasonable requests.. so please check out - http://richcash.com/track/Mi4zLjIuMy4wLjAuMC4wLjA

thank you

One thing to consider when switching from CCBill to Nats tracking is how often under CCBill affiliates will send to refer.ccbill.com directly for galleries. That has the effect of counting the gallery click as a normal hit. When you move to Nats if the send instead to the Nats url it only counts as a regular click if they click the sponsor link. You have to be careful there to not compare apples to oranges when it comes to ratios. This also has the effect of hurting an affiliate who originally sent traffic directly to refer.ccbill.com because as I understand it the cookie doesn't get set by Nats in the same way. This difference can end up helping the sponsor who now gets credit for more type ins without having to pay the affiliate. Some might say good but sending directly to refer.ccbill.com for galleries is one way to counter the trend of sponsors putting huge urls on the galleries or content. If the surfer does a type in after seeing the url the affiliate still gets credit since they have their cookie set. If they don't send to refer.ccbill.com the cookie is not set unless the surfer clicks the sponsor link on the gallery.

1st: refund
10th: chargeback (same transaction as the refund)
Low stats since the 1st... October was not incredible, but at least it was ok...

there is bots...

That's all well and good but did you miss this part?

That's not just clicks, it's sales.