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Jel 09-06-2011 11:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by garce (Post 18407933)
I guess I took your post asking(?) "Why does anyone post Raws, ever?" the wrong way.

I count my CCBill conversion ratios by raw clicks. I link images directly to tours. So the ratios I post are raw clicks. So, if my ratio is 1:500, that's one in five hundred raw visitors hauling out ye olde credit card and purchasing a subscription. Maybe each of them has has visited the site 20 times while cookied before deciding to sign up. I dunno. I don't care.

I know that my raw ratio - as irrelevant as you may consider it - is better than my unique ratio with most other companies. Under NATS I get more "Bookmark" signups than anything. So WTF? I do not actually care about raws or uniques - I care about the amount of traffic I send and how well it converts.

I don't know what the problem is. You want me to post uniques? Check your own stats and do the math. If I'm doing (give or take) 1:500 on raw clicks, that's like what? 1:100 uniques? No its not, but close...

Thank you for "congratulating" me on getting paid by CCBill every single fucking week since late 1999. Rofl.

Let me do another copy and paste:

$413.91
55 $249.53
8 $2,962.49
194 $4,508.57
306 -$77.86
7 $0.00
0 -$14.98
1 $8,041.66
571 106,079
1:412.8 30,995

That is one fucked up list. Unreadable. 55 trials. 9 singles. 194 recurrings. 306 rebills

Works out to 1:412 raw (things changed in the last couple hours... People sign up... shit happens...) and 1:120.6 uniques.

Edit (I don't even think I should bother wasting my fucking time...): I did a screencap - and this is as far as I'm going. I HOPE I don't have to spell it out for you - and I DO NOT give a flying fuck what you think (But why did I waste so much time doing this, you may ask? I'm kinda bored, and a little tipsy. Promote CCBill sites or don't. I don't fucking care!) I AM hoping I can impress Nikki99, though... Yowza!

Its gonna be winter in Canada soon, Nikki! Take me to the dark side...

http://www.garcemac.com/CCBill64.jpg

Trial. Single. Recurring. Rebill. Refund. Chargeback. Void. Total. Raw Clicks. Unique Clicks.

There's still three days left in the week, btw. Bada Boom Bada Bing.
Yep, you've taken it the wrong way, as you did my 'congratulations'. Well done :)

Jel 09-06-2011 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by garce (Post 18407935)
There's no way he's going to be able to wrap his little mind around that concept.
lol, ok :1orglaugh

Jel 09-06-2011 11:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by looky_lou (Post 18408032)
yeah, I know.

If I posted my ccbill stats I would be the laughing stock of the board. I have several sponsors that run their FHGs through their ccbill. So every click to the gallery counts as a click. Unfortunately my biggest sponsor does it this way, so my ccbill stats look terrible, even though the majority of my earnings come through ccbill. I can only watch the trends.

Bottom line is: How much is my check this week vs. the average.
Ignoring the 'yeah I know part', yup, and trends is what I presume jscott (along with everyone, with every sponsor) uses to identify swings. I highly doubt he was 1:19k in August, and decided to make a thread just because he hit 1:22k so far in September.

iamtam 09-07-2011 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by garce (Post 18407505)
My reply in this post showing my recent CCBill ratios was raw clicks. I even included Affiliates Without Sales in those stats. If I remove non-converting affiliate sites, my ratios drop remarkably.

I don't use FHGs, and have very few videos on my money-making sites. As Argos88 stated earlier, if a new site I'm trying out goes above 1:1,000 - I don't promote it anymore. I KNOW there are other sites that can easily halve that ratio.

I try to cater to an older audience - an audience that doesn't want to waste their time clicking through random shit to find something they find arousing. Maybe this strategy is killing me traffic-wise, but its what I know how to do.

Although a lot of programs (particularly amateur programs) that use CCBill are a mess (if not completely broken), a good one is worth its weight in gold. I've been paid on time by CCBill every week since '98 or '99. Long enough that I forget exactly when I signed up - and I don't feel like checking right now.

My oldest CCBill affiliate ref ID is 15053. I've been using them for awhile.

Note: This post reflects my personal experience with CCBill. I do not claim to have a clue about jscott's issues with them. CCBill works just fine for me.

EDIT: Ok, so I checked. Signed up Oct. 1, 1999 here: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...-0000&PA=15053 Been paid on time, every week, since.
here is the issue though: if you are doing everything except the join on your "money sites" and then only measuring the ratios on join page hits to sales, your ratios will be good.

but if you have to send 10,000 people to your site to make a sale on a ccbill site, you are still looking at 1 in 10,000, you just moved the measuring sticks.

looky_lou 09-07-2011 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18408378)
Ignoring the 'yeah I know part', yup, and trends is what I presume jscott (along with everyone, with every sponsor) uses to identify swings. I highly doubt he was 1:19k in August, and decided to make a thread just because he hit 1:22k so far in September.
Wasn't trying to be rude with that. Came across wrong.

jscott 09-10-2011 02:12 AM
Thanks for the reply ccbill :)

Klen 09-10-2011 03:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18416867)
Thanks for the reply ccbill :)
What they said?

zormaks 09-10-2011 06:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18402770)
CCBill is a fine company.
Fine company does not support piracy. Maybe "fine" is no more the word as it used to be.:Oh crap

2MuchMark 09-10-2011 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 18403595)
I agree, but when people use the same content selection criteria for programs using different billers and then notice a disparity, there's a chance that their complaint will be valid.
Why? Just because your content might be the exactly the same as the content of another site doesn't mean slow sales are due to the processor. In fact, just the opposite. The difference would have to be in the sites themselves, or their traffic, or both.

jscott 09-10-2011 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 18416955)
What they said?
absolutely nothing.

I was being sarcastic :Oh crap

jimmycooper 09-10-2011 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18417256)
Why? Just because your content might be the exactly the same as the content of another site doesn't mean slow sales are due to the processor. In fact, just the opposite. The difference would have to be in the sites themselves, or their traffic, or both.
I think you misunderstood my point. What I mean when I say 'content selection criteria' is the process one goes through when analyzing all of the different variables in determining what one feels would be the most effective 'content-end user' match. To essentially curate their website.

When someone is just starting out, they likely have to rely heavily on intuition. Given that jscott has been doing this for quite some time, he is likely also able to use a considerable amount of knowledge gained from experience and testing when choosing content that he feels will be a good match with his traffic.

So now, be it either consciously or sub-consciously, jscott likely asks himself a set of questions when deciding on content. Is this gay enough? Is this hairy enough? Is it beefy enough? etc.

Assuming that he goes through the exact same thought process when choosing a gay, hairy, beefy sponsor that uses NATS as he does when choosing a gay, hairy, beefy sponsor that uses CCBILL, it's perfectly acceptable to question whether or not the ratio disparity has anything to do with the processor.

Make sense?

18teens 09-10-2011 09:35 AM
I'm at 1:10K with them so far this month. Something is definitely going on.

astronaut x 09-10-2011 02:16 PM
That's what happens when CCBill abandons their loyal clients and starts processing for copyright infringing file sharing sites.

PromoterX 09-10-2011 02:32 PM
The only sales i'm still getting from CCBILL these days is rebills from old subscriptions. I'm with jscott on this one, something is majorly up over there and no one wants to admit anything. I like CCBILL, don't get me wrong - the biggest reason is combining hundreds of accounts under one and getting paid from one. If NATS could ever get that going for them, i'd seriously consider quitting all my CCBILL sponsors tommorow because their ratios are getting ridiculous, and its never their fault.

Once again, after speaking to their support, and I look at the CLICKS report for August, they happily tell me that that particular sponsor only shows 32 clicks.

Are you fucking KIDDING ME... 32 clicks from 50,000 visitors to the join page no less?

I'm going to shut up now before I really start getting frustrated.

PornoMonster 09-10-2011 02:47 PM
If you are not making money, either is CCBILL.

Or unless all the sales are going to the sponsor and not the affiliate.

Ha, a catch 22. If sponsors are saying our ratios are good, then, read the first part again.

If sponsors are saying ratios are bad, then they should try other billing, or all the normal standard answers.
To much free porn
same old content
economy
and so on.

Back to the main topic, I am going to go out on a limb and say, you are saying CCBILL links for affiliate tracking are not working some point down the line. Since ccbill would be going broke if sales are that low ...

Argos88 09-10-2011 03:52 PM
ccbill converts great..

problem with this business is one that started at year 2007... and i dont need to describe it.. if you dont know, you deserve to be fucked in the ass for being an ignorant.

signupdamnit 09-10-2011 04:30 PM
The patterns I've been noticing for years now have been strange. That said unfortunately it's also generally accepted in the stock market that major volatility often telegraphs a coming major crash. I suspect we're seeing this and I suspect it will only get worse for pay site sales unless something radically changes soon.

jscott 09-10-2011 10:45 PM
Ok, for you that try to pick things apart too deeply

1. my epoch, verotel, nats, non-ccbill sponsors i'm making more money with

2. my ccbill is the 1 and only that just went to SUPER shit for me

....... all is generally the same traffic and i push the same style ( I ONLY always push sites niche to niche, and seo based traffic on mostly blogs or VERY low skim tgps)

so now tell me, wouldn't you see something very odd now?

Diomed 09-10-2011 11:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18403482)
ACTUALLY....

Your CONTENT converts your TRAFFIC just fine...


My point is, people always blame the processor when in reality it almost never has anything at all to do with the processor.
People do tend to blame processors,

I know I do. But when your using the same exact traffic streams for years, and you see huge jumps in ratios, I am always inclined to think it's more on the scrubbing side.

bean-aid 09-10-2011 11:15 PM
i'm sure paulk will have a very good explanation for "temp: " stealing funds ;)

jscott 09-11-2011 01:11 AM
I'd really love to hear a full breakdown from ccbill, info, and exact "wikipedia-style" explanation about scrubbing and how it works exactly

nyllover 09-11-2011 01:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18418504)
Ok, for you that try to pick things apart too deeply

1. my epoch, verotel, nats, non-ccbill sponsors i'm making more money with

2. my ccbill is the 1 and only that just went to SUPER shit for me

....... all is generally the same traffic and i push the same style ( I ONLY always push sites niche to niche, and seo based traffic on mostly blogs or VERY low skim tgps)

so now tell me, wouldn't you see something very odd now?
Speaking from program owner point of view, if i compare the first 10 days of september to the first 10 days of August i get roughly the same numebrs, if i compare it to the first 10 days of July....we are looking at 45% drop in sales.

So it seems like since August something weird IS going on with CCbill... but i am totally sure no one will ever get an answer different from "all fine here" from them

Chris GAMBA 09-11-2011 01:47 AM
Are you guys complaining talking about two or three sales or 100+?

nyllover 09-12-2011 03:07 AM
How weird... yesterday had been our best day ever...and today started really well too...coincidence?

TeenCat 09-12-2011 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18420745)
How weird... yesterday had been our best day ever...and today started really well too...coincidence?
oh man, oh guys, one two three four extreme days, it means total nothing in adult business ... if you are down two three weeks ok, but talking about few strange days ... come on ... :)

Nurgle 09-12-2011 03:34 AM
im with you jscott, this month CCBILL is horrible compared to anything else, and have the same feedback from multiple webmasters ive spoken to.

nyllover 09-12-2011 04:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 18420759)
oh man, oh guys, one two three four extreme days, it means total nothing in adult business ... if you are down two three weeks ok, but talking about few strange days ... come on ... :)
If you bother to look above, i also talked about a full month...

jscott 09-12-2011 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18418633)
I'd really love to hear a full breakdown from ccbill, info, and exact "wikipedia-style" explanation about scrubbing and how it works exactly
So do you guys think if I email clientsupport I can get solid info about this?

sojproductions 09-12-2011 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18421059)
So do you guys think if I email clientsupport I can get solid info about this?
More than likely not, i'd love to read up on this info too, I think most people here would like to as well, would be a good insight.

Matyko 09-12-2011 06:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAC (Post 18402797)
ccbill fucking sucks...but I love their 1990s system
i fucking hate it [the admin interface..]. with passion.
however i love 'em... when the conversions are not so scary..
for me --> aug = 1:2477, sep 1:6048

:pimp

patavax 09-12-2011 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris GAMBA (Post 18418701)
Are you guys complaining talking about two or three sales or 100+?
I'm not talking about 100+ sales per day but I have usually arround 10-20 sales per day and since August it is only 3-4-5 sales per day. I am not getting out of that range of 3-4-5 sales per day.
<July 2011: When I had 5 sales per day it was a very bad day.
> July 2011: When I have 5 sales per day: it is a good day...

It is not only CCBill but also economy, ... but there's certainly something going on...

nyllover 09-13-2011 05:20 AM
And i'm sure everyone will forget about this thread soon....meanwhile our CCBill stats started to look as they were looking 2 months ago...coincidence, surely.

SwirlsGirl 09-13-2011 06:24 AM
CCBILL IS A FINE COMPANY:thumbsup

Observed that for 2 days this past sunday and monday we registered 1 form hit in 2 days....never happened in 7 years of business...

So we call ccbill support and explain to them that 1 form hit in two days is an unacceptable report especially wehn my detailed tracking stats show hundreds of clicks to ccbill index page...

Well wouldn't you know the good folks took a look and within hours actually the middle of the night multiple sales come in!

For some reason our sales do not come in all throughout the day like they should and once did... Surfers of SaraSwirls.com seem to only jerk off in the middle of the night between 2:30 am.... and 5:30 am ....thats when the sales come in...LOL

But the point is it seems that when ever we contact support and make mention of a strange or troubling issue, within minutes or within an hour or two...we see a flurry of activity

CCBILL IS A FINE COMPANY

nyllover 09-13-2011 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl (Post 18423649)
But the point is it seems that when ever we contact support and make mention of a strange or troubling issue, within minutes or within an hour or two...we see a flurry of activity
And what kind of answer do you get from support? The usual "all fine here" and then, suddenly, sales start coming in?

If that's the case....well that's not what i would define a "fine company"...

Bladewire 09-13-2011 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18418633)
I'd really love to hear a full breakdown from ccbill, info, and exact "wikipedia-style" explanation about scrubbing and how it works exactly
I don't want to see any sort of disclosure about how they beat fraud and I'm thankful they keep their mouths shut about it publicly :winkwink:

We know things go on behind the scenes now and then, as with all billers, and I'm willing to have random off days here and there as long as they are consistent overall, which they have been for years.

Fat Panda 09-13-2011 10:49 AM
i love ccbill's 1990s affiliate system ROFL

nyllover 09-14-2011 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAC (Post 18424458)
i love ccbill's 1990s affiliate system ROFL
Yeah...i also love all the time we waste on it... :winkwink:

ruff 09-14-2011 06:23 AM
I'm going to call CCBill today and see if I can get a bunch of sales to come rolling in. They have an 800 number so I can call every day for free. If this works, I'm going to call them every single day.

nyllover 09-15-2011 04:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruff (Post 18426556)
I'm going to call CCBill today and see if I can get a bunch of sales to come rolling in. They have an 800 number so I can call every day for free. If this works, I'm going to call them every single day.
I think i'll do the same :thumbsup

AZNNC 09-15-2011 05:16 PM
It's pretty obvious when some magical switch is flipped. I notice 4-5x ratios for days on. Than poof magically things are back to normal.

porno jew 09-15-2011 05:19 PM
thank god ccbill is processing for every piece of shit mainstream offer now. why would a surfer think twice about them now eh?

anexsia 09-15-2011 07:37 PM
Just made a CCBill sale for See My Bucks :) slowly starting to get my CCBill ratio back up, thank god.

PornoMonster 09-15-2011 07:44 PM
Wonder what the Ratio is like now, after half way into the month now.
But not only ratio, but % change in income monthly..

NetHorse 09-16-2011 02:03 AM
Well all of this unsubstantiated. I will say this though, I stopped promoting CCBill programs sometime in late 2008.

The sales just fell off a cliff while everything else was doing okay. I asked them and I got the same response, 'everything is fine on our end'. Maybe everything is, at this point they aren't going to change anything so it's up to you to make the judgement call.

Best of luck to everyone.

wehateporn 09-16-2011 02:26 AM
I'm seeing CCBill sales as slightly down from last month (so far), but August was my best month ever, and September is still looking like a good month

KBHMN 09-16-2011 03:54 AM
Being a site owner I look at sales performance for the week. One thing is I know weekend sales are always off the hook... then they return to the usual steady rate starting on Monday USA time. For me what was odd about this month is the week of Sept. 11th - 18th. The weekend sales were sluggish, but then on Monday sales exploded and broke a sales record. I cant say anything about CCbill in this case... it could just mean that one of my affiliates posted a new gallery and it was a hot ticket for him on sales for that Monday?

As for their quickstats interface, forget it. I have complained to CCBill constantly how we live in a world of real time updates yet they seem to think the clients should just kiss their butts and accept the fact that if you want accurate up to the minute numbers, then you need to navigate all over their site to do it. The stand alone quickstats is flawed and fuck you for noticing AND not appreciating it. I discussed this with client support and asked that I receive carbon copies of all the internal communication so I could see what is being done... the last message I got from them blew my mind... it reads;

"I have made every effort to CC you as far as I can in the process, however, beyond this, I am informed that it is an automated system in which no emails are sent. I cannot guarantee further communication, though I will attempt to when/if possible." (Aug 30, 2011... nothing after that)

So if I have this straight, what he is telling me is that no human will be involved from here on out and to forget hearing back from them.

As for Jscott, I would put my money on him being one of the most knowledgeable webmasters out there. If you are down playing his insight and claim he is to blame... lol good luck with that tangent, but I believe you are way off.

nyllover 09-16-2011 05:05 AM
Since all this mess, we are considering to switch to Epoch as our main processor (now it's the backup).

Just yesterday... had a bunch of denial emails from CCBill...all of them managed to subscribe from Epoch. If there are these kind of problems, why can't i think that there are even more problems in the process?

nyllover 09-16-2011 01:06 PM
I directed here Manuel Perez, client risk analyst for CCbill...let's see

Korea1818 09-16-2011 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18431297)
Since all this mess, we are considering to switch to Epoch as our main processor (now it's the backup).

Just yesterday... had a bunch of denial emails from CCBill...all of them managed to subscribe from Epoch. If there are these kind of problems, why can't i think that there are even more problems in the process?
Nevermind, found it. Turning on denial e-mails just for intelligence purposes. :)

Bladewire 09-16-2011 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18406181)
August had been a nightmare for us too (speaking from program owner point of view)...especially second half had been like a desert.... problem is jscott that every now and then these issues come up...and no one can have any sort of proof against CCBill.... that's the sad truth...
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18418647)
Speaking from program owner point of view, if i compare the first 10 days of september to the first 10 days of August i get roughly the same numebrs, if i compare it to the first 10 days of July....we are looking at 45% drop in sales.

So it seems like since August something weird IS going on with CCbill... but i am totally sure no one will ever get an answer different from "all fine here" from them
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18420745)
How weird... yesterday had been our best day ever...and today started really well too...coincidence?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18423523)
And i'm sure everyone will forget about this thread soon....meanwhile our CCBill stats started to look as they were looking 2 months ago...coincidence, surely.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18424333)
And what kind of answer do you get from support? The usual "all fine here" and then, suddenly, sales start coming in?

If that's the case....well that's not what i would define a "fine company"...
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAC (Post 18424458)
i love ccbill's 1990s affiliate system ROFL
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18426437)
Yeah...i also love all the time we waste on it... :winkwink:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruff (Post 18426556)
I'm going to call CCBill today and see if I can get a bunch of sales to come rolling in. They have an 800 number so I can call every day for free. If this works, I'm going to call them every single day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18428949)
I think i'll do the same :thumbsup
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18431297)
Since all this mess, we are considering to switch to Epoch as our main processor (now it's the backup).

Just yesterday... had a bunch of denial emails from CCBill...all of them managed to subscribe from Epoch. If there are these kind of problems, why can't i think that there are even more problems in the process?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyllover (Post 18432200)
I directed here Manuel Perez, client risk analyst for CCbill...let's see
So you trash CCBill, say you're going to call them everyday, say you're going to switch to Epoch, then direct their client risk analyst to this thread? This could sound antitransubstantiationalistic to some.

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