_Richard_

and for bonus points, guess what gun?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...te?sc=fb&cc=fp

IllTestYourGirls

I dont see what the big deal is. A few citizens that HAD guns came running to the rescue when they heard shots being fired. They just got to the scene moments too late.

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_Richard_

a citizen with a gun is what caused the whole mess to begin with

i am actually not sure what to say. if you don't see a problem with the competing political party selling a gun, for 10 dollars, that was used to shoot a representative of the government not 6 months ago.. well..

TheDoc

Loughner used a Glock 19 9MM.

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captain.g

Its not THE gun. Not even the same caliber or model.

_Richard_

forgive my canadianism.. i saw glock

however, kinda splitting hairs isn't it?

TheSquealer

Guess which Canadians are always worried about whats happening in the US

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Sly

It may be insensitive but it's also not that uncommon to have a gun raffle, particularly in such a gun friendly state. Mountain out of a molehill.

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you don't even see it as insensitive? from my understanding it was 'insensitive' to use targets on democratic representatives

having a gun raffle within the same district is, to me, extreme bad taste

TheDoc

Na, that's like trying to compare car vs. suv, made by the same people. While the brand might be the same, they are very different cars.

She's alive because it was a 9mm, the 40 would have removed the back half of her head.

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_Richard_

so it's cool to be ignorant of the world now? when did that happen

TheDoc

They had one last year as well... bad taste would be getting a picture of her with each gun.

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Sly

I just said it may be insensitive. Did you not read that part?

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:paulmarkham:

_Richard_

i read 'it maybe insensitive', which means you are undecided, no?

Sly

There is a difference between "maybe" and "may be."

And no, I'm not undecided. This situation MAY be insensitive to some. But, considering that gun raffles are fairly common, Arizona is a gun friendly state, that particular model is a desired and popular model, and it's been over six months since the tragedy... I think it is making a mountain out of a molehill.

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spazlabz

I dont think the GOP are ever going to be accused of showing too much good taste

TheSquealer

Ignorant of the world? Nice try.

It's impossible to not notice that Canadians spend day and night talking about the USA and US politics, economy, government etc. and there is very little discussion of Canada, particularly considering the number of Canadian programs and webmasters here.

The ratio of Canadian discussion of USA to Canada is probably something like 1000:1. So ignorant? No. Certainly odd. Interestingly enough, it almost always seems to be to highlight things that are negative. Hmm....

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theking

Not a problem...gun raffles are a common event in the U.S.

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Some people think gun owners are the people that they see on the 10 o'clock news.
They have never been around responsible gun owners.

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Nikki_Licks

Wish they were rallying off an Ak or something along those lines, I would have bought a few tickets

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_Richard_

or rifles? something that doesn't involve shooting people lol

spazlabz

I dont think the rest of the world really understand Americans' attitudes towards two things;

Guns
Cars

The vast majority of gun owners are good, respectable law abiding citizens that have guns because they are sportsmen or hobbyists and would never dream of misusing them. Gun ownership for us a cultural tradition in the US and while anyone can debate the laws connected to the topic it is not an evil on it's own (Yes I am still extremely liberal)

Of course having said that, it does not excuse the obvious lack or morality of having a gun raffle in the district of a congresswoman who was shot in the head not so long ago. I think most republicans would turn their head and laugh about it.

_Richard_

so you're upset that it's impossible not to notice canadians talking about american politics, and possible not to notice canadians talking about canadian politics?

_Richard_

and 'may be' means 'is possibly'

so..

Allison

I see it mostly as really a lack of intelligence to make that decision. Were there really no people involved in the GOP raffle who thought maybe the timing isn't right for this? Are they really that out of touch with their constituents (that they are supposed to be in touch with) to not even think there is a very likely chance it will be perceived as controversial or insensitive?

There is a stream of nonsensical decisions in the the State of Arizona and I think this is just another example.

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Vendzilla

If she had been beheaded with a shovel, would you close all the hardware stores. To people that grow up in a culture of guns, they are a tool, not a weapon. I know a few liberals that have carry permits.

I have several guns, I've given several to my daughter, latest was a S&W 40. It's registered to her and she has a carry permit.

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GatorB

because you are fucking retarded.

IllTestYourGirls

It wasn't the same gun, the guy was a nut job. Should they stop flying planes over NYC too?

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spazlabz

if she had been hit by a car would I ban cars, flawed argument and I think you know it

Read again what I wrote. I am not against gun ownership, I consider it a right of non-felony committing US citizens. I am against the lack of good taste that is so often shown by the right that's all

_Richard_

i don't think anyone is attacking gun and gun ownership. i admit a personal change of opinion regarding the wisdom of having a population capable of arming itself and that opinion came from a lot of you card carrying gun lovers

it's just, on a basic principle, why is a government party raffling off weapons that are only used to shoot other people? THAT is insensitive. everything else is just batshit crazy

_Richard_

we have been arguing for years! i demand a better argument than this

GatorB

Are you retarded? seriously. no one said anything about anything. If she was killed with a shovel it would be equally bad taste for the GOP to auction off a shovel. Quit being so defensive about guns. yes we get your dick is small so you need a gun to make your dick seem larger.

fortunately I'm not so poor that I have to live in the ghetto. So a gun isn't necessary for me. Also I could kill someone with my bare hands anyways. I don't need to puss out with a gun. Guns are so impersonable. If you're going to kill someone no better sensation than feeling the the life being snuffed out of someone when you do it with your hands.

IllTestYourGirls

Eh Im to tired. In honesty its a little stupid. But they are making a mt out of mole hill.

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TheSquealer

Did I say I was upset? It was a simple observation.

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_Richard_

wouldn't having a conversation with a canadian ABOUT canada, coincidently create a situation where, automatically, you'd have a canadian talking about canada regarding your observation that no canadian actually talks about canada?

Babaganoosh

Doesn't anything ever happen in Canuckistan that you flappy-headed fuckers can discuss? Why so much interest in what's going on south of your border?

TheSquealer

Again, I didn't say that "no Canadian actually talks about Canada" did I?

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_Richard_

well..

"It's impossible to not notice that Canadians spend day and night talking about the USA and US politics, economy, government etc. and there is very little discussion of Canada, particularly considering the number of Canadian programs and webmasters here."

so no, not specifically

Vendzilla

I know , I was just pointing out that in areas where the gun culture is strongest, it's not considered bad taste, it's very acceptable

It's a government party, not the government, they are playing to their base in an area that has no problems with responsible gun ownership, remember the article is written by NPR

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Vendzilla

I think it's an invasion attempt, they are afraid of our hand guns

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think about that

Babaganoosh

They'd better be careful or we might come up there and liberate the shit out of them next.

Vendzilla

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think about that

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Vendzilla

We have tough neighborhoods here in the US

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raymor

Is it insensitive that Giffords herself to owns a Glock?
Is she being insensitive to herself?

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think about that

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Little girls preparing for Canadian invasion

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think about that

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guns are dangerous .