If Obamacare were overturned you would see the biggest hiring spree this country has ever seen! :2 cents:

Thats what Limbaugh said when Bush was pushing for his tax cuts for the rich.

Didn't we have good employment numbers at that time?

I don't see how giving a tax cut to the "rich" caused people to LOSE their jobs...kinda reads like you are insinuating that.

And I don't think that taxing the hell out of the "rich" is gonna create any new jobs either. It will just give the scumbag politicians in Washington D.C. more money to spend that they did not earn.

I say if I earn my money...I should be able to keep as much of it as possible. And if I WANT to save it (you know, the way we all were always told to do) I should be able to sit on every penny of it if I want to.

Class warfare isn't the answer.

Changing our govt. is. They are taking over damn near everything and spending hundreds of billions of dollars on "defense" (we haven't been attacked since 1812...)

Bring home the military from the more than 80 countries we occupy. Vote out every congressman and Senator every election (make them all "one and done") to stop them from funneling money back to the special interests in their home states.

That alone would save enough money to LOWER taxes.

I'm reading how much we spend. Check this out:

"Warren Buffet said this year in his yearly letter to his stock holders that when he bought a company and sold it for a 4.8 billion dollar profit. He was taxed 1.2 billion dollars of which he stated had paid for every thing that the government needs to pay for social security, defense every thing for well about 4 hours. that means the government is spending 300 million dollars an hour a relative 7.2 billion dollars a day. That's a hell of a lot of money.

Specifically for 2011, the projected spending is $10.46 Billion per day. This is based on the projection of Federal Spending of $3.818 Trillion for the year."

We have some of the lowest tax rates in this country in 50 yrs and we are at 9 percent unemployment. The rich arent the job creators, its the people that buy shit are the job creators. No one buys, no jobs to create.
Bush had a shitty jobs record. They were offshoring with both hands during bush and got tax breaks for doing it.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...ord-on-record/
not a liberal publication.

http://www.ajc.com/news/AtlantaForwa...h-1075017.html

Researchers at the University of North Carolina discovered a disturbing trend last year regarding businesses that accept state incentives and tax breaks in return for creating jobs.
Four in 10 of those companies did not create jobs. They actually cut them.

Have a great weekend everyone :)

But again....how will you and I giving our money to the govt. that WE EARNED help create anything other than more spending by the govt.?

As I said...it isn't my duty to "create jobs". It's my duty to make as much money as I can for me and my family. I don't want to give even ONE penny more than is needed to the govt.

I could care less if people were overtaxed for decades...in my opinion we are STILL overtaxed. Did you read what I put up about how much money the federal govt. is spending every day?

I can't justify raising taxes when we are bombing the fuck out of Libya, fighting a non-war in Afghanistan (especially since Bin Laden is dead), fighting a non-war in Iraq (Saddam is dead) and occupying over 80 countries around the world with our military.

And then they want to spend more money prosecuting Roger Clemons for using steroids? WTF?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, maybe if the govt. cut down to the bare bones and proclaimed that YES this is an emergency and we need all the funds we can get...THEN I would gladly do my part.

But they are STILL spending like drunken sailors. Fuck them.

Bush was the Oil president.
Obama is the Insurance president.

Probably backed up by looking at who their largest contributors were.

Uhh, I don't know, but when you get smashed up in a car the car insurance pays
for the healthcare for the other people riding with you.

So you already pay mandatory healthcare when driving a car, so to say.

It's not like your insurance company pays for the car you struck and tells the
other driver "too bad you don't have health insurance because we only pay
for your car and not your injury".(other driver might not be insured)

But once again, I'm against the mandatory insurance for healthcare.
I'm just saying that it sure appears to be constitutional based on what we
already have in the system.

Bottom line:

If the government decided that no matter what all people will get healthcare.

Then we would have 2 choices.

1. Buy our own insurance and choose the company we like.

2. We get taxed on it and have to use government approved companies for insurance
which means government approved doctors in a de facto sense

If the government is doing this through taxes then they will either set up a medical
claims department to pay doctors or they will contract the whole thing out to
insurance companies.

Will it be many insurance companies or just one really big company that supported
a candidate?

Will the government claims department pay claims to doctors that "they don't like"?

What quality of insurance would we receive?
Many medical treatments will not be covered by one insurance company but
be covered by a competing company. This is why the ABC company employe is
covered for back pain but not you working at XYZ company.
They use different insurance companies with different policies.

What about "doctors they don't like"?
Is this basically "government approved doctor"?

Story :

I broke my leg and know 2 other people with exactly the same injury.
They both had surgery and had screws inserted to hold bone into place.
I didn't want surgery and went to a doctor that was experienced enough in
serious sports injuries that he used a series of cast to heal my leg.
Both of those people still limp severely when they walk.
I played football within six months and was a started on the championship team.
What my doctor did was not "government approved".

See "government approved" wasn't good enough for me.
I needed to go to the BEST!

I keep a newspaper article about my broken leg by my trophies; because
those trophies prove that I made the right medical decision for me.

Not government approved.

What I've read indicates that large companies usually contribute to BOTH parties so that they hedge their bets. And I don't blame them.

In Washington D.C. it's a free-for-all money grab. So if you can get something good for your business by throwing your money in too...it only makes sense to do so.

What's needed is to clean up Washington, stop politicians from being career politicians and send them home after one term...take away the entire bullshit.

I say end ALL govt. subsidies to all companies. Institute a flat tax with NO exemptions for anybody. Reduce the military and stop occupying every country in the world.

Our revenues would go through the roof since all the companies would be paying taxes instead of paying accountants, and spending would drop which would allow us to save Social Security, medicare and even have REAL national health care.

The current obscenity of a tax code that nobody understands and the out of control spending and money flow and corruption in Washington D.C. has to stop.

the true difference is not everyone drives, getting insurance for your car is NOT the same as health insurance

I will stop here since you are wrong. Sorry.

A few thousand dollars whenever you break a bone is a heck of a lot cheaper than a few thousand dollars a year for the privilege of having to fill out lots of paperwork when you break a bone. Unless you are Evil Knievel or something.

The Constitution specifically lists what the federal government is allowed to do. Anything not on the list, the constitution says, they can not do. Anything else is reserved to the states or individuals to choose.

"Regulate driver's licenses (including liability insurance requirements) isn't listed as a federal power, so Constitutionally it's left to the states. I don't see "force people to buy the kind of health insurance that Obama approves of" in the list of federal powers. Therefore, it's unconstitutional.

And for the last 30 years The Supreme Court has been adding a laundry list of shit that SHOULD be unconstitutional...and yet they keep rubber stamping it and making the govt. more and more powerful.

Funny how none of you Republicans gave a shit when Republicans proposed the exact same law in 1993 to counter HillaryCare... that is the biggest fucking joke... these are all Republican ideas to begin with.

It's easy to try and simplify things... unfortunately, that isn't how law works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

I always wondered about that part of his bill, which is kind of not such a major part, and could be defended constitutionally... but I knew it would cause shit.

The main reason is that it doesn't favor the Intelligence, military and so-called "law enforcement" segments of the government who fully profit from the DHS and other Patriot Act abortions in countermanding the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Big joke, the whole American looking out for the little guy myth... it's all about looking out for CEO #1...

:D

Just like you didn't give a shit now or then? Great argument champ!

hey look! It's a tranny conservative!

They've always existed ... through private insurance companies:

• Ability to reject applicants
• Non-coverage of pre-existing conditions
• Lifetime limits
• Non-covered produres
• Requiring secondary to cover

Medical bills seem to be quite a bit more than that when it's something important. I had an allergy test done last year, they charged my insurance about $20k. Hell one of my friends messed up his leg recently falling down a small hill, the doctor he went to said it would be about $30k to fix it. If he had insurance he could get it fixed but sense he doesn't have insurance or the $30k he just has to deal with it.

Click this link for a nice warm cup of "wake-the-fuck-up" : :1orglaugh

http://www.carinsurance.com/CoverageDefinitions.aspx

Insurance Coverage Definitions :

Despite all his broken promises, wihch is par for the course with Presidents, Obama's enacted more legislation and made more shit move than any pres since Truman...

whether or not you agree with it...

Just sayin...

:D

i agree with the requirement of auto insurance because if people had the choice and decided not to i would have to kill mother fuckers when they hit my car and cant pay for it.

health care though, shouldn't be required. it only hurts yourself not having it.
we wouldnt be so unhealthy of the gov didnt allow companies to make crap food full of diabetes causing shit blah blah blah blah blah its all non sense anyways were all gonna die so how about we just start shooting each other.. ill go first

Heard this the other day:

Q: What do all countries with AAA credit rating have in common?
A: Universal health care.

You people argue whether health insurance should be mandatory or not while the rest of the civilized world accepts that being in good health is not a privilege, but something that everyone should have access to.

You can go on bickering now.

Ever tried not using some bullshit correlation to make your point? Because I can make some up myself as well.

i carry insurance for the big ones..

i dont have homeowners insurance for a $2000 roof claim... i have it in case my house burns down.. do i hate paying the rates i pay? yes.. i pay over $2000 a year just for homeowners..

same with health.. am i worried about a $5000 dr bill? no.. i am worried about the possibility that i may have something happen that becomes a million dollar bill..

does paying $3000 a year for health insurance let me sleep at night? yes it does..

dont get me wrong, i feel for the people that cant afford health insurance and the govt needs to figure out some happy medium..

but just because paying insurance is an inconvenience or a person wants to keep that money to spend on toys is not acceptable to me, especially when my tax money has to go to that persons er visit because they dont have or want to get turned down by a primary care physician....







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congratulations.. :thumbsup

you just showed me your wool..

this is what the american sheep are taught to think..

the big corporations have moved their manufacturing offshore and the little guys are never going to be able to compete on price..

we are the wal mart and target society..

we love our cheap junk that price point allows us to buy more and more...





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For the record i just want to say you're floating the hottest looking banner I have seen in a while.

Brad

wait..

what did i miss?

did he switch his banner to a twink with a huge cock? :1orglaugh




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Amazing how it's often the ones with the lowest iq calling others sheep.:1orglaugh

Because most of the civilized world has national health care. BIG difference between having everyone have access to HEALTH CARE paid for by our taxes VS everyone being forced to BUY INSURANCE.

Health Insurance is NOT Health Care. It's just another big business that is holding hands with Democrats and Republicans to fuck us over.

What I'd like to know is...how the hell are all these people who are unemployed and under-employed going to buy health insurance? This whole thing is a huge money grab.

Also in every other civilized country...health care is affordable. Here in the U.S. the pharmaceutical, medical, and insurance companies have artificially jacked up the prices so that no average person can afford to pay out of pocket anymore.

What is the difference? Why am I required to have to pay unemployment insurance? Would that be "unconstitutional" too? Social Security too....

This is part of the problem with the US now. Instead of saying "This is a law, deal with it" we want to waste time and money in courts? It's to the point now that every law we make is challenged in court. Why bother?

A law is only unconstitutional if it says other wise in the constitution. In other words, gun owner ship is a constitutional right - and to try to take that right away is in fact unconstitutional. How is a requirement to have insurance be unconstitutional? We are required to pay SSN, we are required to unemployment.

Fuck the Constitution!

Just make a new LAW!

Sieg!

HEIL!



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The commerce clause is sixteen words. It's really not complicated. Besides, you are not allowed to buy insurance from out if state. Interstate commerce in insurance is legally forbidden, so how is forcing you to buy the insurance that Obama wants you to have part of "regulating interstate commerce"?

Isn't universal healthcare cheaper in the long run than private? Isn't that why most first world countries use it?

LOL!

Posting that kind of stuff just makes intelligent people not take you seriously.

:2 cents:

Only those who are part of the insidious H.Obama plot to deprive us all of our Civil Rights.

You stupid fucking Maple Leaf, the H.Obama "health care" plan does NOT offer anything like "universal health care".

It only MANDATES that citizens PURCHASE HEALTH INSURANCE FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES or face both civil and criminal prosecution.

Go back to your cave or log cabin and STFU!

You are really fucking ignorant.

So let me get this straight. You are equating Obama, someone who wants free health care for YOU, to someone who murdered 6 million jews?

Fucking Ignorant doesn't begin to describe you.

who cares? lol

Question: Who is more retarded?

1. Someone who is 60+ years old that spends 24/7 on the internet trolling and pretending to be a college girl, scams people etc... or

2. People who actually waste their time arguing with him about politics or anything for that matter.

(or 3. all of the above.)

Yet ANOTHER STUPID FUCKING CANADIAN!

There is NOTHING in the "Helath Care" plan offered by H.Obama which is FREE!

The "plan" MANDATES that citizens PURCHASE Health Insurance or be PROSECUTED!

Are ALL of your countrymen as fucking STUPID AS YOU?

Eh?

oh wait