Is the cover about to be blown off of the CIA's prior knowledge of 9/11? Holy shit. - GoFuckYourself.com

Young · 08-11-2011, 02:05 PM

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In a new documentary, ex-national security aide Richard Clarke suggests the CIA tried to recruit 9/11 hijackers?then covered it up. Philip Shenon on George Tenet?s denial.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...up-charge.html

Young · 08-11-2011, 02:06 PM

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I think (thought) 9/11 was planned and executed by terrorists. But the CIA having knowledge of the terrorists being on our soil is just mind blowing. wow...just wow...Richard Clarke is a well respected guy.

Tempest · 08-11-2011, 02:31 PM

Don't find it surprising at all if it was true.. It's the sort of stuff the CIA does and is supposed to do.. i.e. recruit for counter intelligence... And to do that, you have to work with the same people that might be trying to kill you.. Of course, at the time, everyone was arrogant enough to believe no one would ever attack the US on their own soil.. I seriously doubt that the CIA would do the same thing today knowing what they do now.

mynameisjim · 08-11-2011, 02:33 PM

I've not heard this before, but it sounds plausible.

Similar to the way the ATF sold guns to Mexican drug cartels in hopes of tracking them, but it didn't work out so the ATF just ended up arming Mexican drug cartels and the same guns were used to kill innocent people, including U.S. agents.

Pretty much the same situation and pretty common in clandestine operations. The people that run the operations lose control pretty quickly then try to cover it up.

Rochard · 08-11-2011, 03:25 PM

This proves nothing. All they need to say is "We wanted to know if it was possible so we were talking about it, that's all". And that will be that.

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Originally Posted by Young

But the CIA having knowledge of the terrorists being on our soil is just mind blowing.

The CIA (FBI) has knowledge of all kinds of terrorists on our soil. They track them, but until they've done something wrong or until we can prove they are about to do something wrong, there is nothing they can do about it.

Best-In-BC · 08-11-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I think (thought) 9/11 was planned and executed by terrorists. But the CIA having knowledge of the terrorists being on our soil is just mind blowing. wow...just wow...Richard Clarke is a well respected guy.

Most people DO

CyberHustler · 08-11-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This proves nothing. All they need to say is "We wanted to know if it was possible so we were talking about it, that's all". And that will be that.

The CIA (FBI) has knowledge of all kinds of terrorists on our soil. They track them, but until they've done something wrong or until we can prove they are about to do something wrong, there is nothing they can do about it.

Meanwhile, our privates get touched by TSA...

Poindexterity · 08-11-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

until they've done something wrong or until we can prove they are about to do something wrong, there is nothing they can do about it.

i was GONNA ask if you are really that stupid, but then i noticed you were rochard.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-11-2011, 04:50 PM

2,977 Died because of their "poor judgment"

Shit happens ... </sarcasm>

dyna mo · 08-11-2011, 05:11 PM

man, i don't know what to think about richard clarke eh. on the one hand, he spoke out big time against bushie and his shitty handling of terrorism.

but.

he was counter-terrorism czar when all the 9/11 terrorist infiltrated u.s. that gets an F from me.

and he also has been known to grandstand himself to sell his books, etc.

and ftr, check these brand spanking new youtube teaser videos out:

secrecy kills ..........looks like richard clarke's next money maker.

marketsmart · 08-11-2011, 05:16 PM

i am responsible for 9/11 and i alone..

try to wrap your heads around that...

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dyna mo · 08-11-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

i am responsible for 9/11 and i alone..

try to wrap your heads around that...

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so you are Rich Blee!

dyna mo · 08-11-2011, 05:31 PM

Joint Statement from George J. Tenet, Cofer Black and Richard Blee
August 3, 2011

Richard Clarke was an able public servant who served his country well for many years. But his recently released comments about the run up to 9/11 are reckless and profoundly wrong.

Clarke starts with the presumption that important information on the travel of future hijackers to the United States was intentionally withheld from him in early 2000. It was not.

He wildly speculates that it must have been the CIA Director who could have ordered the information withheld. There was no such order. In fact, the record shows that the Director and other senior CIA officials were unaware of the information until after 9/11.

The handling of the information in question was exhaustively looked at by the 9/11 Commission, the Congressional Joint Inquiry, the CIA Inspector General and other groups.

The 9/11 Commission quite correctly concluded that ?...no one informed higher levels of management in either the FBI or CIA about the case.?

In early 2000, a number of more junior personnel (including FBI agents on detail to CIA) did see travel information on individuals who later became hijackers but the significance of the data was not adequately recognized at the time.

Since 9/11 many systemic changes have been made to improve the watchlisting process and enhance information sharing within and across agencies.

Building on his false notion that information was intentionally withheld, Mr. Clarke went on to speculate--which he admits is based on nothing other than his imagination--that the CIA might have been trying to recruit these two future hijackers as agents. This, like much of what Mr. Clarke said in his interview, is utterly without foundation.

Many years after testifying himself at length before the 9/11 Commission and writing several books but making no mention of his wild theory, Mr. Clarke has suddenly invented baseless allegations which are belied by the record and unworthy of serious consideration.

We testified under oath about what we did, what we knew and what we didn't know. We stand by that testimony.

marketsmart · 08-11-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

so you are Rich Blee!

thats just one of my cover names..

i report to the two headed lizard...

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dyna mo · 08-11-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

thats just one of my cover names..

i report to the two headed lizard...

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put in a good word for me eh.

raymor · 08-11-2011, 08:41 PM

Two possibilities:
a) Government employees tracking thousands of people on watch lists see two more scary guys show up and decide to keep an eye on them. They see no reason run screaming to the white house at the moment.

b) Government employees tracking thousands of people on watch lists see two more scary guys show up and say to themselves "I bet these two plan to perpetrate the only major foreign attack on US soil since WWII. I bet they'll do it next Thursday. In New York. By plane. I should tell my boss right now, but I don't feel like it."

This was all before 9-11. There had never been an attack like that, so nobody was expecting it.

theking · 08-11-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...up-charge.html

In answer to the thread title...no.

BradBreakfast · 08-11-2011, 09:32 PM

papill0n · 08-11-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

come on man are you just shit stirring ??

noone fired a tomahawk into the pentagon

epitome · 08-11-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

I think there is a lot of shady shit about 9/11 that we'll never know about -- and probably don't want to know about ... but I know enough people that watched that plane fly into the pentagon -- in person -- to know it happened.

Whether it had people on board, etc., I cannot speculate ... but it was a plane.

L-Pink · 08-11-2011, 10:48 PM

Where's the wing debris?

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papill0n · 08-11-2011, 10:54 PM

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Where's the wing debris?

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in the building with the rest of the plane? i dunno

u think it might have been a missile ?

lol @ your sig

L-Pink · 08-11-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

in the building with the rest of the plane? i dunno

u think it might have been a missile ?

lol @ your sig

I could understand the body vanishing inside with impact but shouldn't the wings be allover the exterior.

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papill0n · 08-11-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I could understand the body vanishing inside with impact but shouldn't the wings be allover the exterior.

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yeah maybe

im thinking maybe because of the speed they sheared off or just initially sliced cleanly through the exterior. i do see some lower level damage that I could possibly attribute to damage from the wings.

i assume at the very least someone actually measured the width of the impact area and observed that it was larger than that of the wing span of the plane because if its not.......

ultimately though I would put nothing past any government

96ukssob · 08-11-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

come on man are you just shit stirring ??

noone fired a tomahawk into the pentagon

no shit... it was a cruise missile

Paul Markham · 08-12-2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

The one thing that concerns me is the spread of the damage. Not an explosive experts so this is a question. Wouldn't a big plane with it's wings full of fuel do more damage to the areas on the side of where the hole in the building is?

It seems to me the greatest damage was where the fuselage hit the building, not the wings.

As for the 9/11 conspiracy theory. It was shown on a documentary the FBI had information that a large terrorist attack was being planned and probably involving aircraft. This information was given to Bush before 9/11, he ignored it.

buzzard · 08-12-2011, 12:13 AM

lol of course they knew about it. They did it.

DWB · 08-12-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I think there is a lot of shady shit about 9/11 that we'll never know about -- and probably don't want to know about ... but I know enough people that watched that plane fly into the pentagon -- in person -- to know it happened.

Whether it had people on board, etc., I cannot speculate ... but it was a plane.

You are probably right. However, I wish they would release more than 3 frames of video from the security cam. Releasing that would put an end to any Pentagon conspiracy in two seconds flat.

DamianJ · 08-12-2011, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

until we can prove they are about to do something wrong, there is nothing they can do about it.

Bollocks. Just send them a letter saying you think they are a terrorist and ask for 500 bucks damages or you will take them to court. Works for Lightspeed!

PornoMonster · 08-12-2011, 01:09 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WMyPC5wVvbs

JFK · 08-12-2011, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzard

lol of course they knew about it. They did it.

the end, close thread

seeandsee · 08-12-2011, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

Why they dont show videos of "airplane" hitting pentaghon, yea right,,,

Agent 488 · 08-12-2011, 03:18 AM

most 9/11 conspiracy "experts" are ex-cops ex-military ex-politicians usually with a history of legal, financial and relationship problems.

why is that? who benefits?

Coup · 08-12-2011, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

GET

Agent 488 · 08-12-2011, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You are probably right. However, I wish they would release more than 3 frames of video from the security cam. Releasing that would put an end to any Pentagon conspiracy in two seconds flat.

yeah the dozens of actual witnesses that were there and saw it with their own eyes were all a black ops plot.

Captain Kawaii · 08-12-2011, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

2,977 Died because of their "poor judgment"

Shit happens ... </sarcasm>

Powers that be dont give a shit about 2997...They didnt care about Pearl Harbor, they didnt care about Cold Harbor...humans are ants to them...something you step on.

bushwacker · 08-12-2011, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzard

lol of course they knew about it. They did it.

Dvae · 08-12-2011, 04:45 AM

Richard Clarke is a nutjob, can't be taken seriously.

Dvae · 08-12-2011, 04:51 AM

Who the hell is Mohammad Gadhafi?

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2MuchMark · 08-12-2011, 05:48 AM

9 / 11 Conspiracy theories = BORING and STUPID.

Move along.

ajrocks · 08-12-2011, 06:12 AM

Doesn't sound that unlikely. The US Government is full of douche bags

PR_Glen · 08-12-2011, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

most 9/11 conspiracy "experts" are ex-cops ex-military ex-politicians usually with a history of legal, financial and relationship problems.

why is that? who benefits?

exactly.. that's why we are hearing about this 'breaking news' from a documentary and not a news broadcast.

and for all the monkeys that think the media is controlled, even if it was there would be nothing stopping a story like that with undeniable evidence... it would take off and fast...

wehateporn · 08-12-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

even if it was there would be nothing stopping a story like that with undeniable evidence... it would take off and fast...

PR_Glen,

Like you say the media are an independent and powerful force for good. They are so talented that sometimes they even report what's going to happen in advance, like when the BBC reported that WTC 7 had collapsed before there was any sign that it would fall. Surely the BBC should have received an award for this, but instead it was completely removed from the Internet for some time; I suspect other major news channels were jealous of the BBC

dyna mo · 08-12-2011, 06:47 AM

yup, the bbc was in on 9/11 too.

or at least that reporting team, nepotism?

marketsmart · 08-12-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

yup, the bbc was in on 9/11 too.

or at least that reporting team, nepotism?

i already told you that I did 9/11...

i had no help from the BBC...

i flew those planes using remote controls...

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wehateporn · 08-12-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

i already told you that I did 9/11...

i had no help from the BBC...

i flew those planes using remote controls...

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Very impressive Mr Rockefeller

magicmike · 08-12-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

Okay, look how much bigger the hole in the pentagon is, if nothing else doesn't this prove the pentagon wasn't hit by a tomahawk.

JamesGw · 08-12-2011, 11:27 AM

I hate conspiracy theories, but this actually seems really plausible and something the US would do.

marketsmart · 08-12-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesGw

I hate conspiracy theories, but this actually seems really plausible and something the US would do.

people are stupid... they dont learn even after history repeats itself..

pearl harbor
gulf of tonkin
9/11

all allowed to happen...

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dyna mo · 08-12-2011, 11:31 AM

if anything about this is plausible, it's the fact that the fbi, cia and nsc, etc. were all playing reindeer games with info and not sharing it with the other entities.

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Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	I am not a conspiracy theorist. I think (thought) 9/11 was planned and executed by terrorists. But the CIA having knowledge of the terrorists being on our soil is just mind blowing. wow...just wow...Richard Clarke is a well respected guy. __________________ ★★★ Last edited by Young; 08-11-2011 at 02:09 PM..

08-11-2011, 02:33 PM	#4
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	I've not heard this before, but it sounds plausible. Similar to the way the ATF sold guns to Mexican drug cartels in hopes of tracking them, but it didn't work out so the ATF just ended up arming Mexican drug cartels and the same guns were used to kill innocent people, including U.S. agents. Pretty much the same situation and pretty common in clandestine operations. The people that run the operations lose control pretty quickly then try to cover it up. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

08-11-2011, 08:41 PM	#16
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Two possibilities: a) Government employees tracking thousands of people on watch lists see two more scary guys show up and decide to keep an eye on them. They see no reason run screaming to the white house at the moment. b) Government employees tracking thousands of people on watch lists see two more scary guys show up and say to themselves "I bet these two plan to perpetrate the only major foreign attack on US soil since WWII. I bet they'll do it next Thursday. In New York. By plane. I should tell my boss right now, but I don't feel like it." This was all before 9-11. There had never been an attack like that, so nobody was expecting it. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Don't find it surprising at all if it was true.. It's the sort of stuff the CIA does and is supposed to do.. i.e. recruit for counter intelligence... And to do that, you have to work with the same people that might be trying to kill you.. Of course, at the time, everyone was arrogant enough to believe no one would ever attack the US on their own soil.. I seriously doubt that the CIA would do the same thing today knowing what they do now.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,457	man, i don't know what to think about richard clarke eh. on the one hand, he spoke out big time against bushie and his shitty handling of terrorism. but. he was counter-terrorism czar when all the 9/11 terrorist infiltrated u.s. that gets an F from me. and he also has been known to grandstand himself to sell his books, etc. and ftr, check these brand spanking new youtube teaser videos out: secrecy kills ..........looks like richard clarke's next money maker.

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marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	i am responsible for 9/11 and i alone.. try to wrap your heads around that... .

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,457	Joint Statement from George J. Tenet, Cofer Black and Richard Blee August 3, 2011 Richard Clarke was an able public servant who served his country well for many years. But his recently released comments about the run up to 9/11 are reckless and profoundly wrong. Clarke starts with the presumption that important information on the travel of future hijackers to the United States was intentionally withheld from him in early 2000. It was not. He wildly speculates that it must have been the CIA Director who could have ordered the information withheld. There was no such order. In fact, the record shows that the Director and other senior CIA officials were unaware of the information until after 9/11. The handling of the information in question was exhaustively looked at by the 9/11 Commission, the Congressional Joint Inquiry, the CIA Inspector General and other groups. The 9/11 Commission quite correctly concluded that ?...no one informed higher levels of management in either the FBI or CIA about the case.? In early 2000, a number of more junior personnel (including FBI agents on detail to CIA) did see travel information on individuals who later became hijackers but the significance of the data was not adequately recognized at the time. Since 9/11 many systemic changes have been made to improve the watchlisting process and enhance information sharing within and across agencies. Building on his false notion that information was intentionally withheld, Mr. Clarke went on to speculate--which he admits is based on nothing other than his imagination--that the CIA might have been trying to recruit these two future hijackers as agents. This, like much of what Mr. Clarke said in his interview, is utterly without foundation. Many years after testifying himself at length before the 9/11 Commission and writing several books but making no mention of his wild theory, Mr. Clarke has suddenly invented baseless allegations which are belied by the record and unworthy of serious consideration. We testified under oath about what we did, what we knew and what we didn't know. We stand by that testimony.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	most 9/11 conspiracy "experts" are ex-cops ex-military ex-politicians usually with a history of legal, financial and relationship problems. why is that? who benefits?

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,457	yup, the bbc was in on 9/11 too. or at least that reporting team, nepotism?

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,457	if anything about this is plausible, it's the fact that the fbi, cia and nsc, etc. were all playing reindeer games with info and not sharing it with the other entities.